Should console players get skyshard and lore book locations marked on the map

Randomchaos

Like pc players do with add ons

lagrue

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Yes - ZOS needs to get with the game and make the mods for PC Available to console... they are the parent company to Bethesda, and Bethesda got mods for Skyrim and Fallout - so why can their mommy ZOS not do so?

Even if not mods - just to add as a feature would be nice.

MattT1988

Meh

You can find that stuff online anyway. If I'm searching for skyshards and whatnot, I just got my computer on next to me. Not really an issue to me.

ZeroZero77

Options, we player like optional Options.

Really

Randomchaos

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Totally agree it's so annoying and kinda unfair
I get if they don't wanna do the add on thing like sky rim and fallout but atleast add the skyshard and lore books completely shuts off a lot of the Game in my opinion

Kiwi

encourage them to make a phone app that you guys can sync

the problem is more likely with sony and microsoft than anyone

greylox

You should have add-ons, they did it for fallout 4 (I know its not the same developers etc but just saying it can be done) so it won't make the sky fall in if they let console users have approved add ons.

Rygonix

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

This charade of PCS having virtually everything better needs to end at some point. Do what Bethesda does: Take what modders/addon authors have done that made the game exponentially better, modify it a bit, and make it baseline for everyone to enjoy.

Pepper8Jack

No I love it the way it is

While I do envy the ease with which PC players can snatch up skyshards and lorebooks, that functionality should remain limited to an add-on and NOT become a part of the base game (which is currently the only way it'll make it to console).

Adding it to the base games gives no incentive to not have that functionality active at all times. Meaning most players, whether on their 5th or 1st character, would know the location of all skyshards and lorebooks in the game right out of the gate. At that point, why bother hiding them all over the continent to begin with?

I think a better alternative would be to skyshards and lorebooks account-wide.

If not that, I'd be perfectly okay with a system that marks the skyshard or lorebook on your map account-wide (so all other characters can see its location) after the first time you discover it. Of course, with the option to hide these markers from the map for those that would rather not have their maps that cluttered. Having collected every skyshard in the game on multiple characters, this would be very nice for those alts I still haven't gotten around to making.

Edit: As is my post indicates, my real answer to the question was not an option in the poll due to plainly biased choices. I don't "love" gathering the same skyshards and lorebooks over and over again, I just disagree with handing it to players the second they hit the title screen the 1st time they boot up the game.

WalksonGraves

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

I'm not a fan of having to play the game with my cell phone out just to complete a goal within a human lifetime.

lagrue

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Rygonix wrote: »

This charade of PCS having virtually everything better needs to end at some point. Do what Bethesda does: Take what modders/addon authors have done that made the game exponentially better, modify it a bit, and make it baseline for everyone to enjoy.

Zenimax OWNS Bethesda so 100% they can. Plus ZOS already has their own screening process for addons and they have to be approved by them so nothing gets through that is damaging the game.

ESO isn't like Fallout and and Skyrim in regards to modding though, since considerations have to be taken to make sure there's no tangible impact on gameplay in the sense of progression and being able to gain advantages over other players.

But - ZOS is aware of that - and that's why they have the screening process on PC, and only accept what they deem appropriate - so why not just port that stuff to us in bulk? They can do so easily - players who submit addons relinquish their rights to them, so it's not even a matter of needing permission from either players or Sony - it's just that ZOS has been sitting on their butts not doing it or not even trying to do it, for whatever reason.

ericprydz82ub17_ESO

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Looking at my computer or at my phone to find things on the Xbox isn't my idea of fun.

I would suggest unlocking an account wide spell similar to the one they came out with for spell crafting where you would cast the ability and you would follow an orb around that would lead you to a lorebook or skyshard location. Make the spell only accessible once you unlock the achievement for collecting all the skyshards and all of the lorebooks on an account though.

Stovahkiin

Meh

I don't think all console players should automatically have their maps updated with skyshard locations; however, it would be a nice idea to implement skyshard maps or map upgrades that console players can buy for small amounts of gold from npc vendors as an option if they do want this.

Mojmir

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

With the option to turn it off for you rp and immersion junkies.

Absolut_Turkey

No I love it the way it is

I'm fine with the way it is, but if the option became available I'd take advantage of it. Heck, I'd even pay a small amount of money for it. Anything more then 3k crowns is ludicrous though.

bebynnag

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

pc players with their add ons have it easy mode
some of the add-ons that i have seen/heard about that exist give PC players a clear advantage over console players,

you may not think that an add-on that helps with lorebook/skyshard hunting (or 'the hunt') offers an advantage but i do,
console players have to use guides that were originally posted in 2014 (early access beta) which contains information that most of the time out of date.
which means 'the hunt' takes a console player (even ones like me who have collected them on multiple characters) much longer to aquire the skillpoints & skills they require for their build. which means 'finishing a character' (not just leveling it to 50) is a drawn out - almost tedious process, so instead of enjoying a new character, and learning my rotaion and completing content (like someon on PC would be) i am instead stuck in a zone trying to work out where the book actually is, because its not where the picture from 2014 says it should be, and since i play on console the 'helpfull tips that have been posted elsewhere that consist of grid references (that synch quite well im sure with an add-on) are completely useless!


Fish eye rye is a good example, when it was 1st introduced it was dismissed by pts users, because there are add ons that already do this & better. but what those beta testers didnt realise was that this recipy was introduced as a QoL improvment for console players (and non add on using pc players). use this food and you will no longer stand in front of a fishing hole whose landlocked water is rapidly flowing over a corpse and wonder to yourself how this could possible be an ocean fishing spot!

morrowind sees the long awaited introduction of buff timers, again something that has existed as an add on since beta, which is only now being introduced to the base game, maybe console players can finally stop driving themselves insane counting in their heads so they can 'keep' up their rotaion

so yes to help with skyshard hunting
yes to help with lorebook hunting
yes to fixing trials
yes to making console the best experience it can be

lagrue

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

puffytheslayer wrote: »

pc players with their add ons have it easy mode
some of the add-ons that i have seen/heard about that exist give PC players a clear advantage over console players,

you may not think that an add-on that helps with lorebook/skyshard hunting (or 'the hunt') offers an advantage but i do,
console players have to use guides that were originally posted in 2014 (early access beta) which contains information that most of the time out of date.
which means 'the hunt' takes a console player (even ones like me who have collected them on multiple characters) much longer to aquire the skillpoints & skills they require for their build. which means 'finishing a character' (not just leveling it to 50) is a drawn out - almost tedious process, so instead of enjoying a new character, and learning my rotaion and completing content (like someon on PC would be) i am instead stuck in a zone trying to work out where the book actually is, because its not where the picture from 2014 says it should be, and since i play on console the 'helpfull tips that have been posted elsewhere that consist of grid references (that synch quite well im sure with an add-on) are completely useless!


Fish eye rye is a good example, when it was 1st introduced it was dismissed by pts users, because there are add ons that already do this & better. but what those beta testers didnt realise was that this recipy was introduced as a QoL improvment for console players (and non add on using pc players). use this food and you will no longer stand in front of a fishing hole whose landlocked water is rapidly flowing over a corpse and wonder to yourself how this could possible be an ocean fishing spot!

morrowind sees the long awaited introduction of buff timers, again something that has existed as an add on since beta, which is only now being introduced to the base game, maybe console players can finally stop driving themselves insane counting in their heads so they can 'keep' up their rotaion

so yes to help with skyshard hunting
yes to help with lorebook hunting
yes to fixing trials
yes to making console the best experience it can be

Well to be fair skyshards have never been moved - so all the maps are still 100% relevant, especially if you look the ESO interactive map. They can't make maps for bookshelves anymore because apparently, as I've read, they change every few weeks -of course static books don't - but they also never give skill upgrades... so realistically you looking for books in guides is just for lore benefits and has no impact on gameplay. I didn't use a guide to get my books for skills - I legit just clicked every bookshelf until I reached my skillbook maximum because that is the only way to do it - they aren't in specific places.

The only reason books would be good is for people like me who want to fill the lore I am still 100% for the idea - I just want to point out that those "guides from 2014" contain all the infromation you need for skillpoints - and are only missing things needed to fill out lore, which has no real impact on gameplay.

max_only

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

No. Buy a computer.

StormWylf

Let the Flaming begin, but you asked.

Personally to the extent possible, I believe console players should have access to the same skills, maps, abilities etc. that are offered by Zenimax to PC players. But if it's a third party add on, no I don't believe that Zenimax should have to create special content for console players. PCs may have an advantage add-on wise, but frankly that's one reason we chooses to play on a PC.

Well that's my opinion feel free to disagree.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Should be a toggle option for those who dont want it. But for everbody that does want it, all they do is pull it up online and go search them but it would be so much better to have it in game to pick up while you are questing through the zones.

lagrue

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

StormWylf wrote: »

Let the Flaming begin, but you asked.

Personally to the extent possible, I believe console players should have access to the same skills, maps, abilities etc. that are offered by Zenimax to PC players. But if it's a third party add on, no I don't believe that Zenimax should have to create special content for console players. PCs may have an advantage add-on wise, but frankly that's one reason we chooses to play on a PC.

Well that's my opinion feel free to disagree.

This seems like a thing where you believe your PC is less special if consoles get something. The very sad ideology behind the console wars in the first place. Thoughts like this are why console players and PC players bark at eachother.

You want to limit us for no reason other than to limit us. And since we already have mods from the same company on console.. the point is kinda moot.

bebynnag

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

lagrue wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

pc players with their add ons have it easy mode
some of the add-ons that i have seen/heard about that exist give PC players a clear advantage over console players,

you may not think that an add-on that helps with lorebook/skyshard hunting (or 'the hunt') offers an advantage but i do,
console players have to use guides that were originally posted in 2014 (early access beta) which contains information that most of the time out of date.
which means 'the hunt' takes a console player (even ones like me who have collected them on multiple characters) much longer to aquire the skillpoints & skills they require for their build. which means 'finishing a character' (not just leveling it to 50) is a drawn out - almost tedious process, so instead of enjoying a new character, and learning my rotaion and completing content (like someon on PC would be) i am instead stuck in a zone trying to work out where the book actually is, because its not where the picture from 2014 says it should be, and since i play on console the 'helpfull tips that have been posted elsewhere that consist of grid references (that synch quite well im sure with an add-on) are completely useless!


Fish eye rye is a good example, when it was 1st introduced it was dismissed by pts users, because there are add ons that already do this & better. but what those beta testers didnt realise was that this recipy was introduced as a QoL improvment for console players (and non add on using pc players). use this food and you will no longer stand in front of a fishing hole whose landlocked water is rapidly flowing over a corpse and wonder to yourself how this could possible be an ocean fishing spot!

morrowind sees the long awaited introduction of buff timers, again something that has existed as an add on since beta, which is only now being introduced to the base game, maybe console players can finally stop driving themselves insane counting in their heads so they can 'keep' up their rotaion

so yes to help with skyshard hunting
yes to help with lorebook hunting
yes to fixing trials
yes to making console the best experience it can be

Well to be fair skyshards have never been moved - so all the maps are still 100% relevant, especially if you look the ESO interactive map. They can't make maps for bookshelves anymore because apparently, as I've read, they change every few weeks -of course static books don't - but they also never give skill upgrades... so realistically you looking for books in guides is just for lore benefits and has no impact on gameplay. I didn't use a guide to get my books for skills - I legit just clicked every bookshelf until I reached my skillbook maximum because that is the only way to do it - they aren't in specific places.

The only reason books would be good is for people like me who want to fill the lore I am still 100% for the idea - I just want to point out that those "guides from 2014" contain all the infromation you need for skillpoints - and are only missing things needed to fill out lore, which has no real impact on gameplay.

actually a number of skyshards have moved since early access beta, they are all inside of delves or public dungeons so they haven't been moved too far but skyshards have been moved. many of the skyshard guides still show the old location,

i couldn't care less about non mages guild lorebooks, not even the ones that award skill points, because i am perfectly capable of getting a skill line levelled up without the use of a bookshelf
Actual mages guild lore books HAVE been moved, as new content has been added, (hist shadow dungeons, maw of lorkhaj, the 'dueling arenas' and of course the houses for homestead) lore books have had to be moved.
some lore books have multiple spawn locations there is little to no mention of this in any of the guides we have access to which is extremely confusing to new players.
so your claim that i am spending my time chasing books 'for lore benefits and (that it) has no impact on gameplay' is so far from the mark, i am only interested in mages guild skills & passives.
the fact is PC players have always had access to an add on that detects the location of mages guild books and skyshards and guides them too it nice & easy, while console players have to reference an out of date guide. this is extremley frustrating for experienced players and ridiculously confusing to new players

additionally a lot of treasure map locations were moved with the introduction of homestead, the online guides are still showing old locations, and so is the actual in game treasure map - it still depicts the old image and old location. im going to premptivley correct any assumption you may have regarding my intrest in treasure map locations, and point out that i collect them on my tank who has the treasure hunter passive and have aquire some wonderfull items for my own characters & make a small fortune selling the items on traders.

lagrue

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

puffytheslayer wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

pc players with their add ons have it easy mode
some of the add-ons that i have seen/heard about that exist give PC players a clear advantage over console players,

you may not think that an add-on that helps with lorebook/skyshard hunting (or 'the hunt') offers an advantage but i do,
console players have to use guides that were originally posted in 2014 (early access beta) which contains information that most of the time out of date.
which means 'the hunt' takes a console player (even ones like me who have collected them on multiple characters) much longer to aquire the skillpoints & skills they require for their build. which means 'finishing a character' (not just leveling it to 50) is a drawn out - almost tedious process, so instead of enjoying a new character, and learning my rotaion and completing content (like someon on PC would be) i am instead stuck in a zone trying to work out where the book actually is, because its not where the picture from 2014 says it should be, and since i play on console the 'helpfull tips that have been posted elsewhere that consist of grid references (that synch quite well im sure with an add-on) are completely useless!


Fish eye rye is a good example, when it was 1st introduced it was dismissed by pts users, because there are add ons that already do this & better. but what those beta testers didnt realise was that this recipy was introduced as a QoL improvment for console players (and non add on using pc players). use this food and you will no longer stand in front of a fishing hole whose landlocked water is rapidly flowing over a corpse and wonder to yourself how this could possible be an ocean fishing spot!

morrowind sees the long awaited introduction of buff timers, again something that has existed as an add on since beta, which is only now being introduced to the base game, maybe console players can finally stop driving themselves insane counting in their heads so they can 'keep' up their rotaion

so yes to help with skyshard hunting
yes to help with lorebook hunting
yes to fixing trials
yes to making console the best experience it can be

Well to be fair skyshards have never been moved - so all the maps are still 100% relevant, especially if you look the ESO interactive map. They can't make maps for bookshelves anymore because apparently, as I've read, they change every few weeks -of course static books don't - but they also never give skill upgrades... so realistically you looking for books in guides is just for lore benefits and has no impact on gameplay. I didn't use a guide to get my books for skills - I legit just clicked every bookshelf until I reached my skillbook maximum because that is the only way to do it - they aren't in specific places.

The only reason books would be good is for people like me who want to fill the lore I am still 100% for the idea - I just want to point out that those "guides from 2014" contain all the infromation you need for skillpoints - and are only missing things needed to fill out lore, which has no real impact on gameplay.

actually a number of skyshards have moved since early access beta, they are all inside of delves or public dungeons so they haven't been moved too far but skyshards have been moved. many of the skyshard guides still show the old location,

Yeah but this has been updated since beta.... https://esomap.uesp.net/ This has all the correct locations, they are available. Problem is you're looking in the wrong place - old guides. Sure the map doens't have a picture to spoonfeed it to you - but it's pretty easy to find them. I know because using this map alone I've collected literally every single shard in the game. If you need a map in Delves I don't really know what to say because they're so linear it's almost impossible to miss any. Don't even need a map.

Can't speak for Book locations I guess, most have remained in place. There's still no real need for a guide to them imo unless you want lore. Regardless I had my mages guild to 10 before I even got the my 5th zone... it's not hard to find them. I never had to focus on it exclusively.

And I won't even dare speak on treasure maps because I usually sell mine for 200 gold or just trash them - I can't be bothered to go halfway across tamriel for a chest that will give me a green item.

Trust me though, if you read my earlier comments, even since the beginning of the thread I have still been advocating for your side - I want add-ons for console - I was just trying to help lessen your frustration in your search for things. It's not that bad to do without those add-ons in place, there are other resources to use that aren't outdated - but again, yes please to add-ons.

bebynnag

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

lagrue wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

pc players with their add ons have it easy mode
some of the add-ons that i have seen/heard about that exist give PC players a clear advantage over console players,

you may not think that an add-on that helps with lorebook/skyshard hunting (or 'the hunt') offers an advantage but i do,
console players have to use guides that were originally posted in 2014 (early access beta) which contains information that most of the time out of date.
which means 'the hunt' takes a console player (even ones like me who have collected them on multiple characters) much longer to aquire the skillpoints & skills they require for their build. which means 'finishing a character' (not just leveling it to 50) is a drawn out - almost tedious process, so instead of enjoying a new character, and learning my rotaion and completing content (like someon on PC would be) i am instead stuck in a zone trying to work out where the book actually is, because its not where the picture from 2014 says it should be, and since i play on console the 'helpfull tips that have been posted elsewhere that consist of grid references (that synch quite well im sure with an add-on) are completely useless!


Fish eye rye is a good example, when it was 1st introduced it was dismissed by pts users, because there are add ons that already do this & better. but what those beta testers didnt realise was that this recipy was introduced as a QoL improvment for console players (and non add on using pc players). use this food and you will no longer stand in front of a fishing hole whose landlocked water is rapidly flowing over a corpse and wonder to yourself how this could possible be an ocean fishing spot!

morrowind sees the long awaited introduction of buff timers, again something that has existed as an add on since beta, which is only now being introduced to the base game, maybe console players can finally stop driving themselves insane counting in their heads so they can 'keep' up their rotaion

so yes to help with skyshard hunting
yes to help with lorebook hunting
yes to fixing trials
yes to making console the best experience it can be

Well to be fair skyshards have never been moved - so all the maps are still 100% relevant, especially if you look the ESO interactive map. They can't make maps for bookshelves anymore because apparently, as I've read, they change every few weeks -of course static books don't - but they also never give skill upgrades... so realistically you looking for books in guides is just for lore benefits and has no impact on gameplay. I didn't use a guide to get my books for skills - I legit just clicked every bookshelf until I reached my skillbook maximum because that is the only way to do it - they aren't in specific places.

The only reason books would be good is for people like me who want to fill the lore I am still 100% for the idea - I just want to point out that those "guides from 2014" contain all the infromation you need for skillpoints - and are only missing things needed to fill out lore, which has no real impact on gameplay.

actually a number of skyshards have moved since early access beta, they are all inside of delves or public dungeons so they haven't been moved too far but skyshards have been moved. many of the skyshard guides still show the old location,

Yeah but this has been updated since beta.... https://esomap.uesp.net/ This has all the correct locations, they are available. Problem is you're looking in the wrong place - old guides. Sure the map doens't have a picture to spoonfeed it to you - but it's pretty easy to find them. I know because using this map alone I've collected literally every single shard in the game. If you need a map in Delves I don't really know what to say because they're so linear it's almost impossible to miss any. Don't even need a map.

Can't speak for Book locations I guess, most have remained in place. There's still no real need for a guide to them imo unless you want lore. Regardless I had my mages guild to 10 before I even got the my 5th zone... it's not hard to find them. I never had to focus on it exclusively.

And I won't even dare speak on treasure maps because I usually sell mine for 200 gold or just trash them - I can't be bothered to go halfway across tamriel for a chest that will give me a green item.

Trust me though, if you read my earlier comments, even since the beginning of the thread I have still been advocating for your side - I want add-ons for console - I was just trying to help lessen your frustration in your search for things. It's not that bad to do without those add-ons in place, there are other resources to use that aren't outdated - but again, yes please to add-ons.

i have mages guild 10 on 10 max level characters,
i have deleted 6 max level characters with mages guild 7-10
believe me when i tell you that i know where every lorebook & skyshard in the base game is. (some of the DLC ones im abit iffy on but the actual base game i know off by heart)
and i agree with you that a skyshard within a delve or public dungeon isnt difficult to find, and i was hesitant to mention it except that you claimed that NO skyshard had ever been moved, when in fact multiple ones had.

I can remember my 1st ever 'hunt',
i am also regularly bumping into new players either in guild or zone chat that are so confused by the entire process they are ready to quit the game
they dont use the guide you use, they use dulfy's guide, because when you put skyshard/lorebook location into ANY search engine dulfy is the 1st result, because its the oldest, the original the one that has the most number of hits, and therefore recognised by the search algorithms as the best result.

simple fact is the lorebook/skyshard add-ons improve quality of life for new players & existing ones
they arent shortcuts like the ones that make x amount of food/potions/auto complete writs
they arent game breaking like the ones that allow people to detect stealthed enemies or swap armour during combat

if microsoft & sony are reluctant to allow the use of add ons, then it falls to zos to make it availabe in the base game
like they did with fish-eye-rye
like they are doing with buff timers
like they need to do with skyshard/lorebooks; i think the best solution would be tie it to an in game achievement through the use of mementos,

TheShadowScout

Meh

Personally I think not even PC players should have addons which mark those locations!

Much more fun to figure out the skyshard possible location from the cryptic hints in the journal...
Or search through all the places at night for the purple book glow... (most of them you will find pretty easily anyhow if you just look around all the places you go for your questing... quest takes you to a house? Look around, there's often a loirebook in the cellar or upper floor... crashed cart by the road? check it out, sometimes a book is lying around. Etc.)

But if it was an thing, I definitely would want people to have to pay crowns for bypassing all the exploration and searching!

NewBlacksmurf

The game on all platforms should list these as a quest

Like gold and silver Caldwell, this too should have quest markers

That's all that I can see to add.....but all platforms not just console cause pc has add-ons

NeillMcAttack

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

It would be gereat if they sold us something that added them to the map, so long as they have already been discovered on a character on the same account previously. It's a win win!

notimetocare

No I love it the way it is

Suffer the on thine peasant machines!!

I found them all on my main manually, wasnt too bad really. Most I know without looking at my map

TrueGreenSmoker

Yes so I don't have to check off game maps and guides

Yes, but I would'nt pay for it tho.. Even tho I already did all my NA toons lorebooks and skyshards I am done but for my EU toons yes show those skyshards and lorebooks

Rex-Umbra

No I love it the way it is

It's fun searching every corner to make sure you haven't missed any thing and memorizing where they were when you come though with alts.

Violynne

I'm not sure what the true purpose of the question is.

Is it just the map locations or an agenda to get add-ons?

I'd freaking kill to get add-ons for console because we desperately need an on-screen map.

Everything else is just "meh".