Good Stam NB Sustain Build? - Morrowind

akray21

I haven't been on my stam NB in a while, and I have the itch to update his build. Most current stambalde builds I see are gank builds, which I am not interested in running. I want something that can sustain longer fights in BGs, possibly wearing heavy armor, but I can roll with medium (pun). What are good sets to use for stambalde sustain builds?

rfennell_ESO

Eternal Hunt (which can be made in heavy if you choose).

Makato

Everything combined with bone pirate and the dubious camoran throne drink

Asardes

That was nerfed hard. It only adds around 150 recovery now. Slightly more than other set intermediate bonuses. As for heavy armor there's really no sustain there. You'll just die a slower death and kill next to nothing.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Asardes wrote: »

That was nerfed hard. It only adds around 150 recovery now. Slightly more than other set intermediate bonuses. As for heavy armor there's really no sustain there. You'll just die a slower death and kill next to nothing.

Is it even worth farming then?

Asardes

Depends on your build. But by comparison Eternal Hunt has 2x129 stamina recovery bonuses. And allows you to use food that gives more health and stamina. When Bone Pirate gave 300 recovery it was worth farming. Now not so much.

DocFrost72

5 piece marksman is really strong. 2 regen buffs, weapon damage buff, and 5% cost reduction.

Miruku

This is what I'm using atm and having some really good fights with it and doing well even with the nerfs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGtHo60jtw

akray21

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

akray21

Miruku wrote: »

This is what I'm using atm and having some really good fights with it and doing well even with the nerfs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGtHo60jtw

Shackle Breaker looks legit, I agree. I think it will catch on very soon.

KingJ

I'm planning on combining VO and Bone pirate and just completely out sustaining people in BG.

FlyLionel

akray21 wrote: »

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

Open world its good if you use shadow image and can kite very well. I don't think it would be good against any real pvp player who has invis pots/knows to streak over your last known spot etc etc.

Xvorg

akray21 wrote: »

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

The thing with SW is that you don't have to move to make it work, which can be a problem for NB.

Truth can be a good set if you aim for 120 in attronach (tactician) and 75 in ritual(Exploiter), but you must build towards dodge roll.

KingJ

Xvorg wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

The thing with SW is that you don't have to move to make it work, which can be a problem for NB.

Truth can be a good set if you aim for 120 in attronach (tactician) and 75 in ritual(Exploiter), but you must build towards dodge roll.

Truth is broken and the when you use tactician passive you don't get the bonus.Not sure if Zos fixed it

Xvorg

KingJ wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

The thing with SW is that you don't have to move to make it work, which can be a problem for NB.

Truth can be a good set if you aim for 120 in attronach (tactician) and 75 in ritual(Exploiter), but you must build towards dodge roll.

Truth is broken and the when you use tactician passive you don't get the bonus.Not sure if Zos fixed it

Another toon sent to the trash can. =(

KingJ

Xvorg wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Shadow Walker looks like a good set for NB sustain, do people find success with it?

Also, the Armor of Truth could synergize with setting foes off balance with surprise attack. This could provide burst when you need it.

Thoughts?

The thing with SW is that you don't have to move to make it work, which can be a problem for NB.

Truth can be a good set if you aim for 120 in attronach (tactician) and 75 in ritual(Exploiter), but you must build towards dodge roll.

Truth is broken and the when you use tactician passive you don't get the bonus.Not sure if Zos fixed it

Another toon sent to the trash can. =(

Get WROBELED.

Lexxypwns

KingJ wrote: »

I'm planning on combining VO and Bone pirate and just completely out sustaining people in BG.

Why bother? Run double proc sets with cost increase poisons and still out sustain them because your burst is free and they don't get artificial mitigation against it.

For CP, I really love @Miruku build, but for no-CP there's nothing that competes with the burst of proc sets and the way they let you secure kills quickly and efficiently. @LeifErickson is running shadow walker back bar with viper+selene. The burst is insane and you can still use shadow image to give yourself all the sustain in the world and reset fights. For No-CP I feel like this is the ideal way to build.

KingJ

Lexxypwns wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

I'm planning on combining VO and Bone pirate and just completely out sustaining people in BG.

Why bother? Run double proc sets with cost increase poisons and still out sustain them because your burst is free and they don't get artificial mitigation against it.

For CP, I really love @Miruku build, but for no-CP there's nothing that competes with the burst of proc sets and the way they let you secure kills quickly and efficiently. @LeifErickson is running shadow walker back bar with viper+selene. The burst is insane and you can still use shadow image to give yourself all the sustain in the world and reset fights. For No-CP I feel like this is the ideal way to build.

@Lexxypwns yea that's probably the better build but I just really really hate proc sets.

Lexxypwns

KingJ wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

I'm planning on combining VO and Bone pirate and just completely out sustaining people in BG.

Why bother? Run double proc sets with cost increase poisons and still out sustain them because your burst is free and they don't get artificial mitigation against it.

For CP, I really love @Miruku build, but for no-CP there's nothing that competes with the burst of proc sets and the way they let you secure kills quickly and efficiently. @LeifErickson is running shadow walker back bar with viper+selene. The burst is insane and you can still use shadow image to give yourself all the sustain in the world and reset fights. For No-CP I feel like this is the ideal way to build.

@Lexxypwns yea that's probably the better build but I just really really hate proc sets.

Look man, I'm with you, I don't personally like them either. However, you've gotta accept that you're not going to be able to beat similarly skilled players in a no CP environment without them. I'm not personally willing to lose fights I should be able to win just because I'm not thrilled with a certain type of set, to each their own though.

I don't think you're going to be able to just out-sustain people like you're hoping, though. There's still a lot of burst out there and without the additional mitigation of heavy its a losing gamble to always bank on out sustaining people. The way you can get pressured by even just a minor amount of burst in medium/light still makes out sustaining people in those a risky proposition. You can definitely out-skill people with VO/BP and secure kills based off sustain, but the skill floor and cap are both going to be through the roof imo. You're going to be just as squishy as any other medium armor NB, but you're going to be missing an absolute ton of burst if you're running without a proc set or good damage set.

I think most classes are in a relatively good place atm, while there's not excellent balance by any means, we can compete on basically all classes and spec in basically all armor weights. However, for sustaining in outnumbered situations, heavy is still clearly ahead of the other two. I think, for this reason, building a high sustain build with low-medium burst just does not seem appealing in light or medium. The stamblades I mentioned are running a good bit of sustain, but they still have very solid overall damage and are clearly kiting/burst builds not pure sustain like VO/BP is going to be.

Furthermore, the lack of DoTs in the stamblade kit really prevent you from building for a pressure based style of play. You'd likely need to run bow+DW or find a place for re-arming trap on your bars in order to be able to reliably out sustain people and still be able to get enough damage off on targets in heavy. Traditional stamblade "pressure" comes from staying aggressive, CC'ing on cooldown, and having high uptime on incap and major defile, while you can do all these things wearing VO/BP, I'm just not sure the damage is threatening enough.

Benn G x

Bone pirate is still worth it over most other sets for sustain

TrueGreenSmoker

Using on my stam nb VMA weapons Maul sharp (don't have a greatsword sharp yet) and a Bow sharp (don't have defending yet) 5 Bone pirate 2 Veli or I sometimes go 1 Veli 1 Kena and neck/rings agilityall with weapons damage glyphs with dubious throne drink. Mainly a magicka player but I am loving the nb tho playing it daily now

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Asardes wrote: »

Depends on your build. But by comparison Eternal Hunt has 2x129 stamina recovery bonuses. And allows you to use food that gives more health and stamina. When Bone Pirate gave 300 recovery it was worth farming. Now not so much.

It is better to go full damage sets and use the max health and stam regen food, not dubious, the one that is 5k health and 467 regen.

Brutusmax1mus

BP with 2h bow both vma, endurance, and what ever monster set you want. Troll kings free heals are incredible I'm sure with the increased cost to vigor. My character gets up to 3.3k every 2 seconds.

That's what I'll be running, adjusting jewelery glyphs to my liking. Gonna have to get used to using all my magicka on fear since i won't be in heavy. I have been considering shackle breaker instead of bp for that reason. Who knows.. console..

Lexxypwns

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

BP with 2h bow both vma, endurance, and what ever monster set you want. Troll kings free heals are incredible I'm sure with the increased cost to vigor. My character gets up to 3.3k every 2 seconds.

That's what I'll be running, adjusting jewelery glyphs to my liking. Gonna have to get used to using all my magicka on fear since i won't be in heavy. I have been considering shackle breaker instead of bp for that reason. Who knows.. console..

Where is your damage coming from? BP + troll king + endurance is gonna hit like a noodle.

NightbladeMechanics

This is the best stam nb build this patch, hands down, and potentially the highest performing build in the game in general. I didn't expect Yiko to share it with people to be honest.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347327/video-eso-morrowind-stamina-nightblade-outnumbered-pvp-and-build/p1

The_Duke

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

This is the best stam nb build this patch, hands down, and potentially the highest performing build in the game in general. I didn't expect Yiko to share it with people to be honest.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347327/video-eso-morrowind-stamina-nightblade-outnumbered-pvp-and-build/p1

Not sure whats so hush hush about it. Ive been using shadow walker for months now using image to kite and reset/regen. Proc sets are a no brainer in this new update. Its going to be worse than before.

KingJ

@Lexxypwns I throw on @LeifErickson build well kinda can't get a damn Shadow walker bow so replaced it with eternal hunt until I can get a bow and you right the build is amazing .Switch between Selene and troll kings at times but it hit hard thanks for the advice .

Xvorg

I've been playing with an idea since Saturday: high crit light attack bowblade.

Elegance + shock master.

The numbers in build editor seem promising

GreenSoup2HoT

Xvorg wrote: »

I've been playing with an idea since Saturday: high crit light attack bowblade.

Elegance + shock master.

The numbers in build editor seem promising

Do Shieldbreaker + Shock Master

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Try Miruku's build ...sustain is insane XD !!

runningtings

I have started using Shadow Walker with Hunding's and am loving the sustain, just need to work out my CP allocation and enchants, but enjoying it so far.