Lotus Blossom is not Healing on Medium Weaves / Winter's Revenge

Masel

As the title says, lotus blossom does not grant ANY heal on medium weaves. This makes the skill literally useless in combination with them and destroys my warden build for vMA I was using on the PTS.

I get that it shouldn't proc on every tick of restoration staff and lightning staff attacks, bit to not grant any heal on medium weaves with any weapon is just wrong.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_KaiSchober, please have a look into it and change it so it either gives you the heavy attack heal or at least the light attack heal on medium weaves.

Ideally, you'd get healed based on the charge time you did and make restoration and lightning attacks heal on each tick, but only a part of the future heal (1/4 on lightning, 1/3 on restoration). I suggest also doing that with the resource return on heavy attacks.

Also, Winter's revenge and other Ice Based Warden Skills are not hitting critical hits as often as they should. See @Gilliamtherogue 's Testing Details Below.

Vaoh

That's unfortunate

They should count as light attacks to Lotus Blossom, granting the smaller heal.

To grant zero health is simply a bad way to go about it.

I think it was an oversight.

Insandros

No offense man but, to get heavy attack heals on medium attack wouldn't make sens, then what would be the point of having heavy attack heals if you could medium attaack to ge the amout healed of heavy attack but while having the medium attack casting time by skipping the heavy one? While being at it, let's make medium attack return ressources like heavy attacks are You know, i'm sure they did those CP stuff mainly because of weaving and being able to weave and get well sustain.. not sure your thing about not being able to medium weave is a good selling pitch.... But getting the light attack one, why not. But remember, if they do that for Blozzoms for medium counts as light, they'll have to fix a lot of stuff, for exemple, Molag Kena monster set procs, i was dreaming of it's proc to happen on medium attacks to count as light attacks.

Masel

Insandros wrote: »

No offense man but, to get heavy attack heals on medium attack wouldn't make sens, then what would be the point of having heavy attack heals if you could medium attaack to ge the amout healed of heavy attack but while having the medium attack casting time by skipping the heavy one? While being at it, let's make medium attack return ressources like heavy attacks are You know, i'm sure they did those CP stuff mainly because of weaving and being able to weave and get well sustain.. not sure your thing about not being able to medium weave is a good selling pitch.... But getting the light attack one, why not. But remember, if they do that for Blozzoms for medium counts as light, they'll have to fix a lot of stuff, for exemple, Molag Kena monster set procs, i was dreaming of it's proc to happen on medium attacks to count as light attacks.

Ideally you would get healed based on the amount of chargetime. But as I know that that is difficult to implement, I'd say either the heavy attack one or at least the medium weave heals. No heal at all is useless. You take the risk to charge to not get healed at all...

I'd also prefer having channeled attacks heal on every tick, but only a portion of the full heal. 1/4 per lightning tick, 1/3 per restoration staff tick.

But that medium weave thing deserves attention and a discussion about it.

Phinix1

Masel92 wrote: »

Ideally you would get healed based on the amount of chargetime.

Agreed. I believe it is already this way with damage, is it not?

Tonturri

Please yes, even a light attack heal on medium weaves would be great. Died several times before noticing that medium attacks were giving 0 heals.

Masel

Tonturri wrote: »

Please yes, even a light attack heal on medium weaves would be great. Died several times before noticing that medium attacks were giving 0 heals.

I haven't tested it as I'm traveling until 9th June. On the PTS when I first used it it worked perfectly. But multiple sources and guildmates confirmed it isn't working.

So pleeeease @ZOS_GinaBruno, tell your fellow programmers to improve the skill in that context

Masel

Push.

Masel

Double Post.

Cloudless

Noticed that too. The light attack heal on a medium weave would do just fine.

Sakiri

Fixplz

DocFrost72

Dang, no heal at all? That can't be working right.

Bump!

SydneyGrey

What does 'weave' mean?

Masel

SydneyGrey wrote: »

What does 'weave' mean?

Weaving means that you light attack/or briefly charge a heavy attack and then immediately fire a skill afterwards.

Basically like "Ka-boom" for light attack weaves, "ka" being the light attack and "boom" being the skill. For medium weaves it's more like "kaa-boom", as you keep pressing your left mouse button for a brief period and then fire the skill. This way you cancel the visual of light and heavy attacks to achieve more damage.

Gilliamtherogue

Winter's Revenge is not using Weapon Critical values. The issue is related to something else which I haven't figured out, but it is most definitely not Weapon Crit.

-> crit values

-> base morph testing

-> Winter's Revenge

Definitely not gaining bonus of some passives or bonuses, as it's missing 8% on over 1500 attacks. Arctic Blast is also missing out on something, as it's missing 22.3% over 1000 attacks. I can understand 1-5% deviation with sub 500 numbers, but this is definitely showing something is wrong with the Warden's skills.

Masel

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Winter's Revenge is not using Weapon Critical values. The issue is related to something else which I haven't figured out, but it is most definitely not Weapon Crit.

Really? My weapon critical chance was mostly very in line with the actual critical hits of the skill. Either way, it doesn't work as intended and they should look into it

Thanks for the detailed testing! That definitely shows that something is off with the Icy Skill Line..

Gilliamtherogue

Masel92 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Winter's Revenge is not using Weapon Critical values. The issue is related to something else which I haven't figured out, but it is most definitely not Weapon Crit.

Really? My weapon critical chance was mostly very in line with the actual critical hits of the skill. Either way, it doesn't work as intended and they should look into it

How close were your Spell and Weapon critical values? That's often a big thing to miss, which I attempted to avoid in my testing in the pictures above. With 32.9% Weapon Critical, I should not be getting 70%+ with Winter's Revenge with over 1500 attacks to test.

Masel

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Winter's Revenge is not using Weapon Critical values. The issue is related to something else which I haven't figured out, but it is most definitely not Weapon Crit.

Really? My weapon critical chance was mostly very in line with the actual critical hits of the skill. Either way, it doesn't work as intended and they should look into it

How close were your Spell and Weapon critical values? That's often a big thing to miss, which I attempted to avoid in my testing in the pictures above. With 32.9% Weapon Critical, I should not be getting 70%+ with Winter's Revenge with over 1500 attacks to test.

That's true! I edited the OP to include your findings. We'll see what they do about it.

But I fear that all of those things will have to wait... They'll probably try to fix battlegrounds before they do anything about combat itself.

Masel

Push! @ZoS_GinaBruno, any word on this?