What's the point of hairstyles if they get removed?

SanSan

When i put on a hood, hat or disguise my hairstyle goes away. Why? Why hasn't this been changed?
By hood and hat I'm talking about the ones from crown store.

Tasear

Agreed

Pixel_Zealot

Well I guess it's because, unlike RL when you put your hat on and take it off, hats in the game replace hair styles. Otherwise your hair would go through the hat.

vrine

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Well I guess it's because, unlike RL when you put your hat on and take it off, hats in the game replace hair styles. Otherwise your hair would go through the hat.

I think the point is still that it shouldn't do that, and I agree. There's no need for them to replace hairstyles.

Tasear

I just think the hats are worthless, because hair isn't showing right. Hoods are okay because you could not see it anyways

BlackSparrow

While I agree that it would be neat, why they haven't changed it is pretty easy to figure out.

To make this work, they would need to create a new mesh and texture to match every single hat with every single hairstyle, to make sure that the each hairstyles doesn't clip through any given hat, AND the hair still appears to follow the laws of physics given whatever the hat does, AND that it looks good. This means creating hundreds of hatted hair meshes and textures. Not really worth the dev time. The reasoning is pretty cut-and-dry, really.

It's a nice thought, but it's ultimately a pipe dream. There's no way their design team is going to spend time doing this when just having the hat with whatever truncated hairstyle they assigned it by default suffices. *shrug*

nhisso

They could at least offer a long, medium or short hair style for hats that you can see based on your hair length. But the go bald with a hat is stupid. But we are talking about a game that doesnt have an appearance change option after 3 years so i digress.

lagrue

The issue has everything to do with meshes and clipping... with so many hairstyles and hats available, it would be an absolute reach around and costly feat to make sure they were all compatible with eachother.... unless of course you want a ponytail sticking through your hood.

To pull this off with the current selection would take a significant amount of development times... 100s of hours. People have to be paid for those 100s of hours - it's simply not worth it.

Then they'd also face the issue that every single time they add another hairstyle or hat - they would have to retroactively go back and make sure it doesn't clip through every other thing they've released to date.

It's a minor annoyance and I do agree OP, that it looks dumb - but from a game development perspective it makes alot of sense why it's this way. Hats overriding hair means you will not face BS clipping.

TheShadowScout

For some hats, it makes sense to hide the hair. Hoods, head wrappings, the masks we have at the moment...

For many others, not. Especially not for the wizard hats!

And a few hats do show hair, though they also are a bit hard on the hairstyle, ending up with something more akin to "generic" hair, more or less... but I suppose I wouldn't mind that as much as I mind my long haired wizard character to become bald when donning a traditional pointy hat!

In any case, I definitely want more hats that show hair! But then, that's no surprise, seeing as I keep talking about more hats on occasion...

Smaxx

nhisso wrote: »

They could at least offer a long, medium or short hair style for hats that you can see based on your hair length. But the go bald with a hat is stupid. But we are talking about a game that doesnt have an appearance change option after 3 years so i digress.

You can buy the basic/character creation options in the Crown Store in packs of I think 700-1,000 crowns per option (like tatoos and fur pattern, hair style, etc.) and then change them as often as you want. As an alternative,, you can buy the rework tokens to change your character's appearance (everything but class). Both are in the game for more than a year now. Not enough?

Lavennin

I hate wearing a hood, it makes me look bald.

The only exceptions are low level Bosmer light head pieces, but I can't make them into high level gear.

If only we had transmog.

(Oh, and yes it prevents clipping, but all the other MMOs I've played don't let head pieces replace hair, because obviously clipping isn't worse than losing style.)

(And some crown store hairstyles already clip with heavy armor, even without hats. One even shows your scalp if you use assassin personality, which is scary.)

Tasear

lagrue wrote: »

The issue has everything to do with meshes and clipping... with so many hairstyles and hats available, it would be an absolute reach around and costly feat to make sure they were all compatible with eachother.... unless of course you want a ponytail sticking through your hood.

To pull this off with the current selection would take a significant amount of development times... 100s of hours. People have to be paid for those 100s of hours - it's simply not worth it.

Then they'd also face the issue that every single time they add another hairstyle or hat - they would have to retroactively go back and make sure it doesn't clip through every other thing they've released to date.

It's a minor annoyance and I do agree OP, that it looks dumb - but from a game development perspective it makes alot of sense why it's this way. Hats overriding hair means you will not face BS clipping.

My elf ears still coming out! But I stand by what I said just not worth buying hats because of this issue. I look at them think all how cool then preview them and then say meh.

lagrue

Smaxx wrote: »

nhisso wrote: »

They could at least offer a long, medium or short hair style for hats that you can see based on your hair length. But the go bald with a hat is stupid. But we are talking about a game that doesnt have an appearance change option after 3 years so i digress.

You can buy the basic/character creation options in the Crown Store in packs of I think 700-1,000 crowns per option (like tatoos and fur pattern, hair style, etc.) and then change them as often as you want. As an alternative,, you can buy the rework tokens to change your character's appearance (everything but class). Both are in the game for more than a year now. Not enough?

I think you misunderstand the problem. Buying those things wouldn't change the fact that hairstyles are overwritten by the hood and hats. Hats and hoods also override the player's default hair.

What OP and people in this thread want is to be able to equip those things without their hair disappearing.

lagrue

Tasear wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

The issue has everything to do with meshes and clipping... with so many hairstyles and hats available, it would be an absolute reach around and costly feat to make sure they were all compatible with eachother.... unless of course you want a ponytail sticking through your hood.

To pull this off with the current selection would take a significant amount of development times... 100s of hours. People have to be paid for those 100s of hours - it's simply not worth it.

Then they'd also face the issue that every single time they add another hairstyle or hat - they would have to retroactively go back and make sure it doesn't clip through every other thing they've released to date.

It's a minor annoyance and I do agree OP, that it looks dumb - but from a game development perspective it makes alot of sense why it's this way. Hats overriding hair means you will not face BS clipping.

My elf ears still coming out! But I stand by what I said just not worth buying hats because of this issue. I look at them think all how cool then preview them and then say meh.

Hey man, I can't tell you they ARE worth buying - because I fully agree they aren't worth it. I think in the case of Elf Ears they have to allow clipping because there is no way to remove the ears from the model.

If we allowed clipping on hair though, we'd see a massive influx of complaints from other people about how stupid the game looks with hair going through fabric. The elf ears is simply unavoidable - whereas the hair is something ZOS can deal with by hiding it.

Tasear

TheShadowScout wrote: »

For some hats, it makes sense to hide the hair. Hoods, head wrappings, the masks we have at the moment...

For many others, not. Especially not for the wizard hats!

And a few hats do show hair, though they also are a bit hard on the hairstyle, ending up with something more akin to "generic" hair, more or less... but I suppose I wouldn't mind that as much as I mind my long haired wizard character to become bald when donning a traditional pointy hat!

In any case, I definitely want more hats that show hair! But then, that's no surprise, seeing as I keep talking about more hats on occasion...

yeah the wizard hat is what I am thinking of too... among others. But I loove the wizard hat but I look like a bald woman wearing them. You know a lady's pride is her hair.