How are ya Templars feelin?

TequilaFire

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Anyone resurrect Deltia's templar from his back yard yet?

I heard his dog dug it up. lol

kargen27

So far I have only used my templar for healing in PvP. I've only run into a resource management issue twice. Both times we were under heavy siege just outside a lumbermill or mine. In Sotha Sil siege really packs a punch and groups have started dropping tons of it for every fight.

I am curious to see how my DPS does Friday night when we do trials.

Magdalina

I tried to run a dungeon with my templar healer yesterday. Was vet WGT, half pug, we made it(and we would've made it easily had one of the dps not die to every boss' sneeze) on hm, sustain was not much of an issue - I used to be running around with a spelldamage glyph for lols, re-made it to regen and actually started using the 1k mag pots that have been idly sitting in my bag, was alright even with Health+Magicka food.
I must say I'm highly not amused so far though. I couldn't care less for Major Mending, I cannot speak for PvP impact, but for PvE it was definitely overkill and was not needed, but I didn't realize BoL nerf would affect me quite so strongly. I have decent situational awareness but there're mechanics that require you to turn away from your groupmates and STILL heal them, such as closing Planar's portals for example. Kena is also pretty tricky with having to pay attention to all then lightning walls and atros and still trying to face everyone. Other examples that come to mind are Lord Warden, Xal Nur, Chudan, etc. In that WGT I ended up slotting Mutagen for the first time in forever and was actually amazed how well it worked. It let us make it just fine but I just felt so...generic. Like the only templar skill I ended up actually using was Focus. Well also Shard but I could've used Orbs for the same, if a bit more clunky, effect, couldn't I?

I do believe BoL was too strong - you honestly could heal nearly every vet dungeon just standing there with your eyes closed spamming it, but that playstyle was already getting hit with sustain changes. Imo they should've just given BoL an extra cost increase so it became most definitely NOT spammable and an actual proper emergency heal, rather than castrate it like that.

(Note that's strictly PvE musings based on one dungeon run so far. I've never PvP'd on my templar healer and I generally think it's high time Zeni starts balancing PvE and PvP separately)

Vaoh

From streams I have watched of BGs, Templars are the most prominent class, both Stamina and Magicka.

Doesn't seem like they are in a bad place at all. Js.

Besides that Sorcs showed up a decent amount but seem rather equal to DKs/NBs in terms of popularity. Their dominance in the last patch is the main reason you'll see more Sorcs than necessary. Likewise Wardens are the least common class and are still being grinded while people use their Sorcs in BGs.

In a month or so, I think that in general the classes will tend to show up around the same as each other, with no one class being picked more than others except maybe Templar, which is probably because they are great healers and can purify so many effects.

Just my observations so far

ThePaleItalian

TequilaFire wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Anyone resurrect Deltia's templar from his back yard yet?

I heard his dog dug it up. lol

The internet has been won today! lol

Fodore

Honestly I am just upset. Stamplars are playable... in werewolf.

Magplars and stamplars have a very unreliable way of getting stamina back with repentance now.

Healing is still pretty good, would be better with major mending but at least we got minor.

Blazplar's still work pretty well but the tool tip is ugly now and that triggers my OCD

danno8

Palefang wrote: »

Palefang wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

The main issue(as I see it) when soloing on my templar yesterday around noon: With the nerf from Major to Minor mending and removal of the heal on the first attack of Puncturing Sweep, there is no way for puncturing sweep to even be a viable damage skill, as the heals you get in return is not worth anything this patch. Before Morrowind I at least could do 2-3 puncturing sweeps before I had to go defensive again. Now I can't even finish the skill before I'm forced to go defensive, because my main spammable skill is completely useless. Might as well equip a destro-staff and go with wall of elements or something.

Where do you get that ? No informations on that on the patchnotes. I'm going to test it right away.

Before the patch, I could survive just spamming sweeps against quite anything, really. (Even non-DLC vet bosses ; and I were DD-focused). In theory, just getting 17% less healing (25 for major - 8 for minor we've got) isn't groundbreaking... I'll just need to use Punishing Ritual or Punishing Light on tougher fight.
But if we indeed (and I'm really suspicious on that) lost 38% of our healing return (= 3 sweeps instead of 4, and major becoming minor manding), it will be indeed a bit troubling.

We can still compensate with damage mitigation that are going to be higher this patch (a little bit, thanks to CP rework) (I expect something like 5-6% more mitigation). If I'm correct (I'm testing), this would mean our overall survivability with sweeps alone is going down by 11% or 1/3 (if only 3 sweeps heal).

In the 1st case, it's not that noticeable, common... On the 2nd, well... different story.

Actually, all 4 Sweeps heal you. So, saying that the 1st tic doesn't heal is ***.

FYI, this was absolutely broken on the PTS. I tested it after seeing the thread in that forum.

I have now retested it on live and I agree that it seems to be fixed.

The fact that ZoS doesn't acknowledge the problem in the first place makes it tough to tell when it is fixed.

Chrlynsch

AAbrigo wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

I hate being a magplar DPS now. The Magplar DPS is one class that needs to sustain it's resources to the very end. If your max magicka is less than 50, 70 maybe 80%, your execute is pathetic. It's not like a sorc who even if you have 20% of your max magicka your execute will hit just the same. Radiant Oppression's damage scales off of how much max magicka you have left, not your max magicka pool.

healing wise, it's ok, I suppose. Meh...

After they nerfed Jesus Beam again I never slots it.. purifying light is the new execute

Lol yeah I spam purifying light at pug groups, everyone looses their mind and turns tail.

technohic

Prothwata wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

I hate being a magplar DPS now. The Magplar DPS is one class that needs to sustain it's resources to the very end. If your max magicka is less than 50, 70 maybe 80%, your execute is pathetic. It's not like a sorc who even if you have 20% of your max magicka your execute will hit just the same. Radiant Oppression's damage scales off of how much max magicka you have left, not your max magicka pool.

healing wise, it's ok, I suppose. Meh...

After they nerfed Jesus Beam again I never slots it.. purifying light is the new execute

Lol yeah I spam purifying light at pug groups, everyone looses their mind and turns tail.

Lol. I've done that to people who seem clearly better than me and watched them suddenly panic and run. Think it's because any kind of focus and it's gonna hurt.

winterbornb14_ESO

I don't understand Nerfing a class due to a very niche PvP situation being irritating to some players.

That nerf hurts the majority of players (PvE) and reduces the viability of a whole class/role.

Nerfing damage of something that does maybe 2k DPS in PvE overland/delve content is just a kick in the nuts when you are already down.

ofSunhold

danno8 wrote: »

Palefang wrote: »

Palefang wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

The main issue(as I see it) when soloing on my templar yesterday around noon: With the nerf from Major to Minor mending and removal of the heal on the first attack of Puncturing Sweep, there is no way for puncturing sweep to even be a viable damage skill, as the heals you get in return is not worth anything this patch. Before Morrowind I at least could do 2-3 puncturing sweeps before I had to go defensive again. Now I can't even finish the skill before I'm forced to go defensive, because my main spammable skill is completely useless. Might as well equip a destro-staff and go with wall of elements or something.

Where do you get that ? No informations on that on the patchnotes. I'm going to test it right away.

Before the patch, I could survive just spamming sweeps against quite anything, really. (Even non-DLC vet bosses ; and I were DD-focused). In theory, just getting 17% less healing (25 for major - 8 for minor we've got) isn't groundbreaking... I'll just need to use Punishing Ritual or Punishing Light on tougher fight.
But if we indeed (and I'm really suspicious on that) lost 38% of our healing return (= 3 sweeps instead of 4, and major becoming minor manding), it will be indeed a bit troubling.

We can still compensate with damage mitigation that are going to be higher this patch (a little bit, thanks to CP rework) (I expect something like 5-6% more mitigation). If I'm correct (I'm testing), this would mean our overall survivability with sweeps alone is going down by 11% or 1/3 (if only 3 sweeps heal).

In the 1st case, it's not that noticeable, common... On the 2nd, well... different story.

Actually, all 4 Sweeps heal you. So, saying that the 1st tic doesn't heal is ***.

FYI, this was absolutely broken on the PTS. I tested it after seeing the thread in that forum.

I have now retested it on live and I agree that it seems to be fixed.

The fact that ZoS doesn't acknowledge the problem in the first place makes it tough to tell when it is fixed.

Glad they've fixed this. Have you noticed they seem to mess with sweeps a lot and just not mention it? It was Joy who noticed when they first nerfed the heal - because we had major mending, so several updates ago - and 'forgot' to put it in patch notes.

I'll just live with people who didn't use the PTS telling testers we were hysterical, whining, lying, etc. What we got overall is a fair bit better than what it looked like we were going to get. I'll take that as win-enough.

StormWylf

Well I think clears it up, after the patch Templar’s are:

1. Just the same

A. Giles.floydub17_ESO "Templars are healing vet trials still. The world did not end."

B. acw37162 "Magica Templars are still super strong if less unique feeling then before."

C. subtlezeroub17_ESO "As expected per my bf, Healer templars are still the best. Looks like the Templar tears were, once again, unnecessary."

2. Terrible

A. Uriel_Nocturne "Weak as hell... no resources. Constantly running out of Magicka... this is a garbage patch/update IMO."

B. clocksstoppe "I am literally throwing my templar toon in the garbage for a sorc one. That's how good templar is now."

C. angelncelestine "…She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-("

3 and Pvp is either

A. Rex-Umbra "Templar OP in PvP."

B. Lieblingsjunge "Templar solo-pvp feels even worse than before. In groups it's still okay-ish."

Vaoh

StormWylf wrote: »

Well I think clears it up, after the patch Templar’s are:

1. Just the same

A. Giles.floydub17_ESO "Templars are healing vet trials still. The world did not end."

B. acw37162 "Magica Templars are still super strong if less unique feeling then before."

C. subtlezeroub17_ESO "As expected per my bf, Healer templars are still the best. Looks like the Templar tears were, once again, unnecessary."

2. Terrible

A. Uriel_Nocturne "Weak as hell... no resources. Constantly running out of Magicka... this is a garbage patch/update IMO."

B. clocksstoppe "I am literally throwing my templar toon in the garbage for a sorc one. That's how good templar is now."

C. angelncelestine "…She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-("

3 and Pvp is either

A. Rex-Umbra "Templar OP in PvP."

B. Lieblingsjunge "Templar solo-pvp feels even worse than before. In groups it's still okay-ish."

^^This is why Devs ignore us so often. Too many blinded ppl who cannot see the classes objectively. If they main a class it is never good enough.

Vajrak

What exactly are people spamming so much that they are going out of resource? Seriously asking.

Rune+Radiant Aura on front bar+magickasteal from actually using it+5 Light armor -- sustain with blue foods=pool got down to 30% with proper pot usage if I didn't remember to throw in heavy attacks. With throwing in heavy attacks, stayed around 55-60%.

With purple health/mag/recovery -- pool stayed around 70%, 85% if I remembered to heavy attack. This is on a build that runs multiple DoTs and does not have the best recovery setup at all -- none on gear, no cost reduction glyphs, still all set for spell damage.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Vaoh wrote: »

StormWylf wrote: »

Well I think clears it up, after the patch Templar’s are:

1. Just the same

A. Giles.floydub17_ESO "Templars are healing vet trials still. The world did not end."

B. acw37162 "Magica Templars are still super strong if less unique feeling then before."

C. subtlezeroub17_ESO "As expected per my bf, Healer templars are still the best. Looks like the Templar tears were, once again, unnecessary."

2. Terrible

A. Uriel_Nocturne "Weak as hell... no resources. Constantly running out of Magicka... this is a garbage patch/update IMO."

B. clocksstoppe "I am literally throwing my templar toon in the garbage for a sorc one. That's how good templar is now."

C. angelncelestine "…She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-("

3 and Pvp is either

A. Rex-Umbra "Templar OP in PvP."

B. Lieblingsjunge "Templar solo-pvp feels even worse than before. In groups it's still okay-ish."

^^This is why Devs ignore us so often. Too many blinded ppl who cannot see the classes objectively. If they main a class it is never good enough.

That is sort of Ironic. In a post about how the devs shouldn't listen to us because people aren't objective, you take a completely nonobjective stance.

You forgot if they have to compete against it, it is never bad enough.

Minno

ofSunhold wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I have a question for those of you complaining about resources; are you guys wearing anything other than 5 Light/1Medium/1 Heavy?

I have a friend that plays a Magicka Templar, and he's telling me that as long as you get in the habit of weaving in Heavy Attacks with a Resto Staff, your resources will be fine while wearing 5 Light...

Which magplars are using resto's? DD's aint.

Honestly, templars have magicka steal, and focus, thats 800 regen right there. Thats pretty dang strong! if you oom on a templar, you need to re-build.

mmhm

Ever tried to stand in a very small circle and not die while PvPing? If you throw down focus and then immediately have to move, it's just a loss of magicka.

You get magicka steal only if you're not running repentance.

"You need to re-build" is a bit much. We'll find our way, thanks for the input.

That skill is terrible. You need to be close for it to hit then you need to start attacking. It's better if you choose repentance for the Stam and the heal since you'll get the 10% to Regen for slotting the skill anyway.

Templar has an advantage in that players are used to finding

Vaoh wrote: »

StormWylf wrote: »

Well I think clears it up, after the patch Templar’s are:

1. Just the same

A. Giles.floydub17_ESO "Templars are healing vet trials still. The world did not end."

B. acw37162 "Magica Templars are still super strong if less unique feeling then before."

C. subtlezeroub17_ESO "As expected per my bf, Healer templars are still the best. Looks like the Templar tears were, once again, unnecessary."

2. Terrible

A. Uriel_Nocturne "Weak as hell... no resources. Constantly running out of Magicka... this is a garbage patch/update IMO."

B. clocksstoppe "I am literally throwing my templar toon in the garbage for a sorc one. That's how good templar is now."

C. angelncelestine "…She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-("

3 and Pvp is either

A. Rex-Umbra "Templar OP in PvP."

B. Lieblingsjunge "Templar solo-pvp feels even worse than before. In groups it's still okay-ish."

^^This is why Devs ignore us so often. Too many blinded ppl who cannot see the classes objectively. If they main a class it is never good enough.

The downside of using free play testers.

Khaos_Bane

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Templars are healing vet trials still. The world did not end.

Nerf them !

timidobserver

Vaoh wrote: »

From streams I have watched of BGs, Templars are the most prominent class, both Stamina and Magicka.

Doesn't seem like they are in a bad place at all. Js.

Besides that Sorcs showed up a decent amount but seem rather equal to DKs/NBs in terms of popularity. Their dominance in the last patch is the main reason you'll see more Sorcs than necessary. Likewise Wardens are the least common class and are still being grinded while people use their Sorcs in BGs.

In a month or so, I think that in general the classes will tend to show up around the same as each other, with no one class being picked more than others except maybe Templar, which is probably because they are great healers and can purify so many effects.

Just my observations so far

Every match I get into is mostly Sorcs or stambuilds. I wish I could get put into these all Templar bgs you are seeing. Templar have good burst potential, but it is really easy to predict and easy to deal with.

itsfatbass

Prothwata wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

I hate being a magplar DPS now. The Magplar DPS is one class that needs to sustain it's resources to the very end. If your max magicka is less than 50, 70 maybe 80%, your execute is pathetic. It's not like a sorc who even if you have 20% of your max magicka your execute will hit just the same. Radiant Oppression's damage scales off of how much max magicka you have left, not your max magicka pool.

healing wise, it's ok, I suppose. Meh...

After they nerfed Jesus Beam again I never slots it.. purifying light is the new execute

Lol yeah I spam purifying light at pug groups, everyone looses their mind and turns tail.

I know, those 45k tick crits makes it so terrible now... :0

FakeFox

To make it short: Their attempt to dethrone us as healers failed miserably.

Templar is still by far the best healer in my opinion and survived the sustainnerfs pretty much unscathed.
Stamplar is still pretty potent in PvP and seems to come back a bit in PvE, being the only one to have repentance is pretty nice and warmachine works great for Stamplar.
Magplar is still great for PvE and has good sustain, but he needs support now. Just use runefocus, take orbs and you are fine.

danno8

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

I hate being a magplar DPS now. The Magplar DPS is one class that needs to sustain it's resources to the very end. If your max magicka is less than 50, 70 maybe 80%, your execute is pathetic. It's not like a sorc who even if you have 20% of your max magicka your execute will hit just the same. Radiant Oppression's damage scales off of how much max magicka you have left, not your max magicka pool.

healing wise, it's ok, I suppose. Meh...

After they nerfed Jesus Beam again I never slots it.. purifying light is the new execute

Lol yeah I spam purifying light at pug groups, everyone looses their mind and turns tail.

I know, those 45k tick crits makes it so terrible now... :0

45k? Where did you get that number? At the very best you might have a 15k tooltip, but even if it crits it can't get past the 15k limit.

FakeFox

angelncelestine wrote: »

The sustain is horrible on my magicka DPS Templar. Always was and now it's even worse. With a gear change and a recovery glyph and its still bad. The DPS I worked so hard for before this patch no longer exists. She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-(

It's not Magplar being bad, it's you doing something wrong. I don't mean that as a insult but as a encouragement to improve instead of thinking it's the class that's bad and moving on. With sustain problems even before the patch you have a pretty bad start, but now is the time to start over and improve. There is a lot of room to try out new things now and figuring out how to sustain. What I personally do is play with runefocus, one cost reduction glyph and moondancer, which enables me to keep my dual wield build. But you could also play with a lightning staff and do heavy attacks to sustain. Magplar has a variety of viable options now, just test it out. Don't stick to your old playstyle and expect it to work just be slapping on regen glyphs.

RavenRoxie

JiKama wrote: »

I haven't read much about the Templars since the major changed. How are they performing? How is a Stamplar at the moment?

Illurian

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

AAbrigo wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

I hate being a magplar DPS now. The Magplar DPS is one class that needs to sustain it's resources to the very end. If your max magicka is less than 50, 70 maybe 80%, your execute is pathetic. It's not like a sorc who even if you have 20% of your max magicka your execute will hit just the same. Radiant Oppression's damage scales off of how much max magicka you have left, not your max magicka pool.

healing wise, it's ok, I suppose. Meh...

After they nerfed Jesus Beam again I never slots it.. purifying light is the new execute

Lol yeah I spam purifying light at pug groups, everyone looses their mind and turns tail.

I know, those 45k tick crits makes it so terrible now... :0

It can't crit...

Zardayne

I'm on my new warden because I love nature themed classes but damn I miss my spear..

Asardes

I'm actually eager to bring my girl in PvP. Just got all needed Spinner's gear and I only need that Lich staff for backbar (there are two named sharpened ones). Anyone can link a build that can give me a hint which skills are most effective to have a starting point?

SanTii.92

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Templar OP in PvP.

Both templars are definetly the most op classes right now.

angelncelestine

FakeFox wrote: »

angelncelestine wrote: »

The sustain is horrible on my magicka DPS Templar. Always was and now it's even worse. With a gear change and a recovery glyph and its still bad. The DPS I worked so hard for before this patch no longer exists. She sadly has had to retire and I now I have to play my alt sorc :-(

It's not Magplar being bad, it's you doing something wrong. I don't mean that as a insult but as a encouragement to improve instead of thinking it's the class that's bad and moving on. With sustain problems even before the patch you have a pretty bad start, but now is the time to start over and improve. There is a lot of room to try out new things now and figuring out how to sustain. What I personally do is play with runefocus, one cost reduction glyph and moondancer, which enables me to keep my dual wield build. But you could also play with a lightning staff and do heavy attacks to sustain. Magplar has a variety of viable options now, just test it out. Don't stick to your old playstyle and expect it to work just be slapping on regen glyphs.

I haven't given up on my Templar completely. As far as sustain problems to begin with that was only because I didn't always have the luxury to play with a great group all the time filled with bubbles, shards, and ele drain. I have been playing with gear changes, weapon changes, skill changes, and even made her a vampire for added recovery. I didn't simply throw on a recovery glyph and that's it. I have played that toon for years as my main and have adapted eventually to changes. It is just frustrating when you work so hard at something to start all over. I simply stated that my sorc is much easier to sustain on which is unfortunate. So please don't assume things. Maybe my wording was wrong who knows. I was a bit salty when I made that post. Update! Is my Templar dead? No! She decided not to retire! Sustain a challenge? Yes! But you can make it work and you can do ok! :-)