[Hodor] World First Veteran + Veteran HM Halls of Fabrication!

Love Wizard

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

BohnT

Nifty2g wrote: »

Yo I just noticed the raid comp, rip dk and nb

Hehe nbs have such a good cloak now they don't even show up on leaderboards anymore

F7sus4

@OrphanHelgen A friendly reminder about how long did vMoL take for first clear. Not to mention +hardmode.

Rickter

First and foremost: Congratulations HODOR. Hard work, exceptional understanding of raid mechanics and skillful play led you to victory, and solidified another immortal world first in the Elder Scrolls Online. Please continue to pave the way and never lose your passion or drive to be the best.

Secondly: @Community please S T F U about the trial being too easy. ZOS WILL increase the difficulty in artificial fashion by increasing boss hp and dmg output effectively screwing everyone else. Like, you guys dont think do you? THINK please.

KingMagaw

Blackshark wrote: »

If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

Also mirror my thinking. Congrats to the team but hardly worth a thread about bankrolling content that a lot don't have access to yet.

Comparable to Tiger Woods opening a golf course basically by himself, shooting xRound then shouting about the best round shot ever in that golf course lol

Blackshark

Love Wizard wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

@Love Wizard You know better than I as I was in the majority that did not receive Morrowind PTS access. To be clear, I'm not blaming you guys for beating the Trial in a few hours. If it wasn't Hodor, it would have been someone else. This is entirely on ZOS for the poor foresight and decision-making that putting the full Trial on PTS for the last month or so represents.

It's just a bad look for Hodor as it comes across as ego-stroking when, apparently, other guilds were at a disadvantage whether that was work, life, time zone, whatever. Of course, that's out of your control and, again, falls under the purview of ZOS.

Congratulations but this post will certainly rub a decent amount of people the wrong way. ZOS really screwed the pooch on this one.

Function

So I guess they didn't increase the difficulty from PTS? That is disappointing..

Arrchangell

Gratz!

But still no nb's

Acid_Glow

YEA BOY!!!!

OutLaw_Nynx

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

@Love Wizard You know better than I as I was in the majority that did not receive Morrowind PTS access. To be clear, I'm not blaming you guys for beating the Trial in a few hours. If it wasn't Hodor, it would have been someone else. This is entirely on ZOS for the poor foresight and decision-making that putting the full Trial on PTS for the last month or so represents.

It's just a bad look for Hodor as it comes across as ego-stroking when, apparently, other guilds were at a disadvantage whether that was work, life, time zone, whatever. Of course, that's out of your control and, again, falls under the purview of ZOS.

Congratulations but this post will certainly rub a decent amount of people the wrong way. ZOS really screwed the pooch on this one.

There we go. That's what I was trying to word but couldn't. This just seems like a giant ego stroking. I don't really know what you guys were expecting with this post here. A lot of people didn't have a chance to practice this trial. Console doesn't even have it yet. To me the real "World First" will be the guild that didn't have PTS access and went in blind..

Alcast

All raidguilds

Function wrote: »

So I guess they didn't increase the difficulty from PTS? That is disappointing..

Last boss got actually buffed, but apart from that nothing changed.

Nifty2g

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

@Love Wizard You know better than I as I was in the majority that did not receive Morrowind PTS access. To be clear, I'm not blaming you guys for beating the Trial in a few hours. If it wasn't Hodor, it would have been someone else. This is entirely on ZOS for the poor foresight and decision-making that putting the full Trial on PTS for the last month or so represents.

It's just a bad look for Hodor as it comes across as ego-stroking when, apparently, other guilds were at a disadvantage whether that was work, life, time zone, whatever. Of course, that's out of your control and, again, falls under the purview of ZOS.

Congratulations but this post will certainly rub a decent amount of people the wrong way. ZOS really screwed the pooch on this one.

There we go. That's what I was trying to word but couldn't. This just seems like a giant ego stroking. I don't really know what you guys were expecting with this post here. A lot of people didn't have a chance to practice this trial. Console doesn't even have it yet. To me the real "World First" will be the guild that didn't have PTS access and went in blind..

thats not fair to say either though, cause without any of the guilds on the pts there would be no bug testing.

Destruent

GZ Hodor, was expecting it...but not that fast.

Sadly, there won't be a "world first" competition over a few months like we had when vMoL was released

Conduit0

I would honestly say that Hodor's accomplishment is impressive due to their dedication and willingness to stay up to the wee hours of the morning.

But really this isn't even remotely unexpected, Halls of Fabrication may not be "easy" it however is by no means extremely difficult either. People were clearing normal mode with randoms within the first few days of the PTS going up. In terms of relative difficulty Halls of Fabrication is pretty much the City of Ash 1 of trials.

I will be shocked if a guild doesn't post a hard mode clear by the end of the week.

Phinix1

Banana

Crikey

idk

Gratz

Area51Visitor

Time to troll... Where's the proof it was completed without exploits? Screen shots do nothing.

OutLaw_Nynx

Nifty2g wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

@Love Wizard You know better than I as I was in the majority that did not receive Morrowind PTS access. To be clear, I'm not blaming you guys for beating the Trial in a few hours. If it wasn't Hodor, it would have been someone else. This is entirely on ZOS for the poor foresight and decision-making that putting the full Trial on PTS for the last month or so represents.

It's just a bad look for Hodor as it comes across as ego-stroking when, apparently, other guilds were at a disadvantage whether that was work, life, time zone, whatever. Of course, that's out of your control and, again, falls under the purview of ZOS.

Congratulations but this post will certainly rub a decent amount of people the wrong way. ZOS really screwed the pooch on this one.

There we go. That's what I was trying to word but couldn't. This just seems like a giant ego stroking. I don't really know what you guys were expecting with this post here. A lot of people didn't have a chance to practice this trial. Console doesn't even have it yet. To me the real "World First" will be the guild that didn't have PTS access and went in blind..

thats not fair to say either though, cause without any of the guilds on the pts there would be no bug testing.

Then don't have closed beta. Let everyone that can get on PTS have access to the trial.

Blackshark

Conduit0 wrote: »

I will be shocked if a guild doesn't post a hard mode clear by the end of the week.

@Conduit0 Title....

sickboy2808

Just another Trial that i wont be able to complete. Too easy for some too difficult for others

Nifty2g

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

Blackshark wrote: »

Love Wizard wrote: »

What I'd personally like to see though, was if there was major changes in the trial at RELEASE or making it way harder. Or, if their QA team can actually test things without godmode

@Love Wizard That I can agree with you on. If the purpose of PTS is to test stability then ZOS should put a trimmed down version of the trial with all elements represented to ascertain stability while still retaining difficulty and opaqueness once released.

I think the issue a significant number of us have is the posting of this thread and the hubris it implies. You guys are undoubtedly great players but it's a bad look to post a thread declaring "World First" when you've had potentially guild-exclusive access to the content for weeks now on the PTS thus restricting your competition greatly.

As stated, that's mostly on ZOS for not having the basic foresight and planning to ensure this situation cannot arise. Just a bad look all around.

Just my opinion.

We've not had guild exclusive acsess. Alot of others guilds could have put in the same ammount of effort as we did, and accomplished the same.

@Love Wizard You know better than I as I was in the majority that did not receive Morrowind PTS access. To be clear, I'm not blaming you guys for beating the Trial in a few hours. If it wasn't Hodor, it would have been someone else. This is entirely on ZOS for the poor foresight and decision-making that putting the full Trial on PTS for the last month or so represents.

It's just a bad look for Hodor as it comes across as ego-stroking when, apparently, other guilds were at a disadvantage whether that was work, life, time zone, whatever. Of course, that's out of your control and, again, falls under the purview of ZOS.

Congratulations but this post will certainly rub a decent amount of people the wrong way. ZOS really screwed the pooch on this one.

There we go. That's what I was trying to word but couldn't. This just seems like a giant ego stroking. I don't really know what you guys were expecting with this post here. A lot of people didn't have a chance to practice this trial. Console doesn't even have it yet. To me the real "World First" will be the guild that didn't have PTS access and went in blind..

thats not fair to say either though, cause without any of the guilds on the pts there would be no bug testing.

Then don't have closed beta. Let everyone that can get on PTS have access to the trial.

I wouldn't call it a closed beta when perma banned accounts got invited.

Shadzilla

Paulington wrote: »

Hey all!

Just a quick thread to say well done to all our guildmates in Hodor but also a huge thanks to Zenimax and their dungeon team on creating such an awesome trial. Thanks to @ZOS_Finn and his team, again.







Looking forward to trying for all those very difficult achievements!

7 mag sorc dps, and that 1 templar dps @Alcast lol. Grats guise. @ZOS_RichLambert Thanks for the balancing. Was really sad seeing nothing but mag sorc dps for best possible trial scores. LOL.

Nifty2g

Shadzilla wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Hey all!

Just a quick thread to say well done to all our guildmates in Hodor but also a huge thanks to Zenimax and their dungeon team on creating such an awesome trial. Thanks to @ZOS_Finn and his team, again.







Looking forward to trying for all those very difficult achievements!

7 mag sorc dps, and that 1 templar dps @Alcast lol. Grats guise. @ZOS_RichLambert Thanks for the balancing. Was really sad seeing nothing but mag sorc dps for best possible trial scores. LOL.

@Shadzilla

The key thing in a lot of the changes we are making is diversity, so that players have a lot of different options and a lot of different cool builds that they can make and that all of those are useful and effective in terms of I can get good healing up or I'm doing a lot of damage, we're looking at that in terms of each of the different classes, and also how characters are creating their different builds with their gear. There's a lot of different things we are looking at overall to get that major thing of having a lot of diversity and a lot of different cool options a lot of players have to build and create.

Love Wizard

Area51Visitor wrote: »

Time to troll... Where's the proof it was completed without exploits? Screen shots do nothing.

Shadzilla wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Hey all!

Just a quick thread to say well done to all our guildmates in Hodor but also a huge thanks to Zenimax and their dungeon team on creating such an awesome trial. Thanks to @ZOS_Finn and his team, again.







Looking forward to trying for all those very difficult achievements!

7 mag sorc dps, and that 1 templar dps @Alcast lol. Grats guise. @ZOS_RichLambert Thanks for the balancing. Was really sad seeing nothing but mag sorc dps for best possible trial scores. LOL.

There is good balance in this patch, we've just not practiced stuff like nightblades enough yet to put it into play. You can expect atleast our Wildfire group to be running 3 DK's, 4 Templar's, 2 Nightblades and 3 Sorcerers this patch. The only reason we're 7 Sorcs was because it's what been the meta on the PTS and the live server for the last patches, and it's what we're used to playing now. Give it a few weeks and you'll see the meta flourish.

Demycilian

Wouldnt it be hillarious if ZOS trolled right back, wipes the board and banned them from the game for the same amount of time they spent on the PTS in preparation of this *** move? ZOS? Do it.

Mojmir

Lol,so much for challenging content

Br1ckst0n

Should be under trials&dungeons though

Tinus_92

Congrats.

Although this trial is cleared really quick, don't compare it to content such as vAA. It's still quite mechanic-heavy and definitely isn't a city-of-ash-1 on the trials. As of balancing everyone's still using the class from the previous patch, at most edited a bit.

Keep in mind that there are still the no-death & speedrun achievements.

Masel

The difference between them and the rest of us is that they simply spent a lot of time on the PTS actually doing the trial so they can be the first to do it.

Everytime I was on the PTS in the last few weeks, it was just a Raid from Hodor, me and maybe 2-3 others on the PTS in my five guilds, out of which two have 500 members with a lot of raiders in there.

They already beat it on the PTS, and it's no surprise that is was this fast, given ZoS didn't change it at all...