New nerfs to Heavy Armor , The Meta will be crushed.

RouDeR

Yestarday when i watched Sypher stream he was in group with others and one of them said that today we will see another significant Heavy armor nerf whih will destroy the meta . What they might be , does anyone know ?

FoulSnowpaw

Constitution resource generation nerfed.
Heavy armor now gains less magicka and stamina when you take damage...

RouDeR

This is an old nerfs , im talking about new ones that are still not posted.

SodanTok

I know what it is. It is right there in the patch notes that will be released after they patch it.

Vipstaakki

What makes you think what a streamer says is more credible compared to what anyone else says on this forum?

Turelus

RouDeR wrote: »

This is an old nerfs , im talking about new ones that are still not posted.

Then he would have no idea.

As a beta tester nothing outside of the PTS notes was on the last build, so unless he has direct insider information from ZOS (which wouldn't be very professional) then he was talking about the current publicly known changes.

RouDeR

Vipstaakki wrote: »

What makes you think what a streamer says is more credible compared to what anyone else says on this forum?

I guess everyone else didnt have the chance to sneakpeak in the upcoming natch potes ?
Also the guy was very confident , he told sypher "wait till tomorrow i cant tell you now "

Goshua

.. well don't rely on constitution for sustain

Flameheart

Zos mentioned on ESO live that the current PTS status is not the status that will go live. They told they would test some things further (sorc pets for example) and therefore the live version might be different and more advanced to the current PTS patch status.

I doubt that Sypher announced something new besides the already known nerfs to heavy armor, otherwise Zos should think about firing someone who can't shut up.

We will see when the live patch notes will be published, whether there are any more nerfs and which ones.

Is that unorthodox ? quite a bit, yes. Seems as if the PC-master race users will be beta testers during the early release phase.

Qbiken

If this is true and I´ve to guess I think the nerf will hit rapid regen passive....

Or ZOS will just go full nerftrain and do something radical that no one could foresee

Rinmaethodain

Probably something that will make PVE tanks life even more miserable

clocksstoppe

Vipstaakki wrote: »

What makes you think what a streamer says is more credible compared to what anyone else says on this forum?

This very much so. Stop being a sheep and blindly listening to everything streamers say. They aren't always right. It's not like they would never benefit from misinforming their competition.

stevepdodson_ESO888

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Probably something that will make PVE tanks life even more miserable

this...always this

Jonno

heavy templars will still be OP

Rapid Mending: With 5 or more pieces of Heavy Armor equipped:
Increases healing received by 8% and increases the Magicka or Stamina your Heavy Attacks restore by 25%.

Cycle of Life: WITH RESTORATION STAFF EQUIPPED:
Restores an additional 30% Magicka when you complete a heavy attack.

Plus Tenacity 15% (i think)

Plus the buff to resources gained from heavy attacks

kevlarto_ESO

I wish we had no metas, every change there is always a new fotm sure wish some one could make a game that had neither, guess I am just a dreamer. If the changes stopped us from having tank builds doing massive dps and infinite resources I am all for it, a tank should be able to absorb damage with minimal dps not do both, just as dps should not be able to absorb massive damage, the devs in this game I will never understand so much of these problems could be curved with putting back soft and hard caps.

I played mmo's for a long time part of the game play is always adapting to major changes or when a change comes you can't stomach on to the next game.

Goshua

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Probably something that will make PVE tanks life even more miserable

this...always this

well you can spam ice heavy attacks more often and get back more resources. that' s a buff if you use an ice staff

Qbiken

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I wish we had no metas, every change there is always a new fotm sure wish some one could make a game that had neither, guess I am just a dreamer. If the changes stopped us from having tank builds doing massive dps and infinite resources I am all for it, a tank should be able to absorb damage with minimal dps not do both, just as dps should not be able to absorb massive damage, the devs in this game I will never understand so much of these problems could be curved with putting back soft and hard caps.

I played mmo's for a long time part of the game play is always adapting to major changes or when a change comes you can't stomach on to the next game.

"Infinite sustain" is a god damn myth, both in PvE and PvP. And those who can sustain for long periods of time in PvP rarely kill anyone at all.

Juhasow

Lets hope it's nerf to amount of resources gain from Rapid Mending passive. Otherwise heavy armor resto staff magbuilds will domintae non CP.

KingJ

@Blobsky mentioned this yesterday in his stream and I know @Sheey also mentioned it. I believe they are nerfing the return you get from heavy attacking. Zos has told streamers about changes before they went live before.

Blobsky

KingJ wrote: »

@Blobsky mentioned this yesterday in his stream and I know @Sheey also mentioned it. I believe they are nerfing the return you get from heavy attacking. Zos has told streamers about changes before they went live before.

I haven't said anything, I never do.

There will be a great change to the game in general! Zos has been doing a great job with the updates and I am highly impressed with everything so far! But will I tell what is coming...

I can tell you for sure that it is nothing to do with heavy Armour as people keep saying 'I said something about this'... But apart from that?

Your guesses are welcome, but it is a secret until patch notes hit live! :P

Qbiken

Blobsky wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

@Blobsky mentioned this yesterday in his stream and I know @Sheey also mentioned it. I believe they are nerfing the return you get from heavy attacking. Zos has told streamers about changes before they went live before.

I haven't said anything, I never do.

There will be a great change to the game in general! Zos has been doing a great job with the updates and I am highly impressed with everything so far! But will I tell what is coming...

I can tell you for sure that it is nothing to do with heavy Armour as people keep saying 'I said something about this'... But apart from that?

Your guesses are welcome, but it is a secret until patch notes hit live! :P

Great change......why am I sceptical about this???

Rinmaethodain

Blobsky wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

@Blobsky mentioned this yesterday in his stream and I know @Sheey also mentioned it. I believe they are nerfing the return you get from heavy attacking. Zos has told streamers about changes before they went live before.

I haven't said anything, I never do.

There will be a great change to the game in general! Zos has been doing a great job with the updates and I am highly impressed with everything so far! But will I tell what is coming...

I can tell you for sure that it is nothing to do with heavy Armour as people keep saying 'I said something about this'... But apart from that?

Your guesses are welcome, but it is a secret until patch notes hit live! :P

Do you really believe that or you are saying it only because apparently "being positive" is a new fashion trend? Not just in here, but even in real world apparently everyone has to be positive and being even a little realistic is frowned upon.

Blobsky

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

@Blobsky mentioned this yesterday in his stream and I know @Sheey also mentioned it. I believe they are nerfing the return you get from heavy attacking. Zos has told streamers about changes before they went live before.

I haven't said anything, I never do.

There will be a great change to the game in general! Zos has been doing a great job with the updates and I am highly impressed with everything so far! But will I tell what is coming...

I can tell you for sure that it is nothing to do with heavy Armour as people keep saying 'I said something about this'... But apart from that?

Your guesses are welcome, but it is a secret until patch notes hit live! :P

Do you really believe that or you are saying it only because apparently "being positive" is a new fashion trend? Not just in here, but even in real world apparently everyone has to be positive and being even a little realistic is frowned upon.

I am really saying it because i really believe it

Biro123

I bet I know what it is..

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Mojomonkeyman

It's already posted I guess? More counterplay, yay.

danno8

Well, they should probably remove Wrath. So if that was in there I would not be surprised. Don't know what else they could do to be honest. Nerf Constitution more? The current nerf to 50% of live is already pretty heavy.

BohnT

And no there was no additional change to HA

idk

RouDeR wrote: »

Yestarday when i watched Sypher stream he was in group with others and one of them said that today we will see another significant Heavy armor nerf whih will destroy the meta . What they might be , does anyone know ?

Probably would have been good to ask Sypher during the stream. Most of us only know what Zos has already revealed in PTS Patch notes for which we know sustain was hit hard and being able to get the sustain from CP while wearing heavy armor is crushed.

Beyond that we will have to read the patch notes when they are released.

danno8

Goshua wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Probably something that will make PVE tanks life even more miserable

this...always this

well you can spam ice heavy attacks more often and get back more resources. that' s a buff if you use an ice staff

I actually tested the base return for Ice, Fire, Lightning and Restoration on PTS yesterday.

Without CP Ice and Fire was only around 78% of what Lightning staff returned. And of course Resto returned the highest with the 30% passive. The amounts were:

Ice, Fire = 2832
Lightning = 3632
Restoration = 4184 (with passive)

With heavy armour and restoration (with passive) + 10% in tenacity I could get Restoration up to 5614 return.

Emmagoldman

Personally, I don't care much for sypher (nothing against him as person). He left game and is back just to put out a couple of videos for his stream then it will be back to other games. Alcast and blob have both been regularly updating and playing and have been actively testing in pts. Especially Alcast, he has been testing armor sets, gear sets and rotations and has a good grasp. With sypher, he is really just hearing from other people that have been playing in Beta, might as well ask around anyone in game whos been on beta for a better perspective.

ParaNostram

Personally I suspect the buff to resources gained from heavy attacks will leave heavy armor quite viable in PvP possibly, but I could be wrong.