DPS loss to use sweeps, the death of a Magplar!

NiclasFridholm

I have mained this class since the beginning of time, its by far the most enjoyable class for me and I would like to think that I have mastered this class.

So I have spent about 50-60 hours on the Dummie on PTS, just as many hours in the new trial. Tonight I perfected every single CP and finally sorted the sustain so I have roughly same as on live. Even though my DPS was 5-6K lower then on live (50K+ ST in raids) I felt very good about the progress I made.

Then a funny thing happened: I needed a Maelstrom staff which was currently on an Magplar alt which was parked on my Dummie, this alt does not carry any where near BiS equipment btw. I decided to try something stupid: I unslotted sweeps which is (for 2 more days) the main source of deeps on my char. Went full easymode HA and applied DOTs rotation and to my surprise my DPS is now higher with infinate sustain on a char with crap gear.
So for anyone planning on using the main templar DPS skill, dont use it cause its a huge DPS loss!

I was on TS with one of my guildies when this hsppened and we had a good laugh then we both siad: RIP TEMPLAR DPS

Drummerx04

ZOS obviously has a grand vision for this game where you aren't supposed to use skills any more. Everyone knows that.

Reverb

Drummerx04 wrote: »

ZOS obviously has a grand vision for this game where you aren't supposed to use skills Templars any more. Everyone knows that.

Fify

Waffennacht

I would like to know what replaced sweeps?

ArchMikem

Your DPS is 50k and you say that's lower than what your alt can do? Dude I get by with 20k.

Flaring_Path

That is some proper feels bad man.

Joy_Division

Someone had a build that spammed Reflective Light and did top tier DPS at the time.

Sweeps was never a good (single target) DPS skill. It's AoE and healing made are it's most valuable attributes.

bebynnag

so my spur of the moment decision to get stormproof on my healer tonight was good timing then?

Goshua

Without cost reduction I find its not worth spamming in my opinion. It never was, but I do it wrong. always been dotty

Silver_Strider

Sorcs never had a spammable
Funnel and Surprise attack are a inferior to Force Pulse and Flurry
And now Sweeps.

Now for DK Whip to be made back into a wet noodle and class skills become filler

STEVIL

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

I have mained this class since the beginning of time, its by far the most enjoyable class for me and I would like to think that I have mastered this class.

So I have spent about 50-60 hours on the Dummie on PTS, just as many hours in the new trial. Tonight I perfected every single CP and finally sorted the sustain so I have roughly same as on live. Even though my DPS was 5-6K lower then on live (50K+ ST in raids) I felt very good about the progress I made.

Then a funny thing happened: I needed a Maelstrom staff which was currently on an Magplar alt which was parked on my Dummie, this alt does not carry any where near BiS equipment btw. I decided to try something stupid: I unslotted sweeps which is (for 2 more days) the main source of deeps on my char. Went full easymode HA and applied DOTs rotation and to my surprise my DPS is now higher with infinate sustain on a char with crap gear.
So for anyone planning on using the main templar DPS skill, dont use it cause its a huge DPS loss!

I was on TS with one of my guildies when this happened and we had a good laugh then we both siad: RIP TEMPLAR DPS

So hey, put a second dummy beside the first and then see how that turns out? My bet is sweeps dps will beat out single target HA.

but also, what i have seen so far is the game now has a pyramid...

put heavy attacks at one corner of the base.
put spammables single target at one end of the base
put sustain gear at one point on the base
put damage gear at the last point on the base.

now imagine the pyramid stretching up from that diamond base.

its a mix of at east two but better three of those that gets higher results now.

So for instance, keeping single target spammable, damage gear and working more HA into the rotation is fine. You dont need to go the all hvy + dot route. but absolutely dots and aoe when appropriate are now much stronger in the overall picture because not only are they good for dps but they are better for sustain due to higher dmg per cost.

But we will see over the next month a variety of new tactics and build develop... just like every major game change patch.

But agree with others - jabs was for multi-target and heal on magplar when i ran - not so much single target dps.

Lum1on

The things is... Puncturing sweeps was extremely good skill before Blazing spear got changed from 6 to 8 seconds. After that I made a different build for myself where I spent a lot of hours to test things.

• Reflective light has low DPSPC value but it gives a "free" damage-over-time when you're applying your other DOTs.
• Dark flare as a very good DPSPC value but it's also very expensive skill (especially after Morrowind) and it does magic damage.
• Force pulse has higher DPSPC than Reflective light, deals 3 attacks in a second, does elemental damage and it also enables the Ancient knowledge (Destruction staff) passive.

I'm able to get over 40k single-target self buffed, so I'm more than satisfied with my build which doesn't even use Puncturing sweeps. Of course your survivability is lower because of it, but this build is meant for trials and group content with healer(s).

EDIT: Oh, and just because Puncturing sweeps got a "nerf" on PvE because they increased Blazing spear's DOT duration by 2 seconds does not kill the ability. It's still strong enough on PvP and it's also not the death of Templar DPS.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Lum1on wrote: »

The things is... Puncturing sweeps was extremely good skill before Blazing spear got changed from 6 to 8 seconds. After that I made a different build for myself where I spent a lot of hours to test things.

• Reflective light has low DPSPC value but it gives a "free" damage-over-time when you're applying your other DOTs.
• Dark flare as a very good DPSPC value but it's also very expensive skill (especially after Morrowind) and it does magic damage.
• Force pulse has higher DPSPC than Reflective light, deals 3 attacks in a second, does elemental damage and it also enables the Ancient knowledge (Destruction staff) passive.

I'm able to get over 40k single-target self buffed, so I'm more than satisfied with my build which doesn't even use Puncturing sweeps. Of course your survivability is lower because of it, but this build is meant for trials and group content with healer(s).

EDIT: Oh, and just because Puncturing sweeps got a "nerf" on PvE because they increased Blazing spear's DOT duration by 2 seconds does not kill the ability. It's still strong enough on PvP and it's also not the death of Templar DPS.

40k dummy with ele drain?
Or 40k in raid setting?

You say heavy attack you running lightning?
Also I heard they nerfed HA dmg?

Oakmontowls_ESO

I'm confused, how does two seconds on your ground based dot effect the viability of sweeps?

Blackbird_V

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I'm confused, how does two seconds on your ground based dot effect the viability of sweeps?

Yeah I'm confused too. Sweeps does 140% more damage to the target infront, so single target it can hit 10k damage per hit.... and it can proc the passive too, which can crit.

I can hit 50k DPS just fine with my unorthodox templar build (Ilambris/Skoria Scathing Mage & Moondancer + Lightning stave back bar and scalding rune to proc ilambris even moreon fire) with sweeps being my spammable.

Curson

BlackbirdV wrote: »

I can hit 50k DPS just fine with my unorthodox templar build (Ilambris/Skoria Scathing Mage & Moondancer + Lightning stave back bar and scalding rune to proc ilambris even moreon fire) with sweeps being my spammable.

I'm looking for help on my magplar DD rotation. What DOTs do you run in between using sweeps?

Turelus

ArchMikem wrote: »

Your DPS is 50k and you say that's lower than what your alt can do? Dude I get by with 20k.

Kinda this. If you've got 50k DPS I think you're doing okay here.

Considering Alcast has been parsing at 25-40k DPS ranges with all of his testing videos for Morrowind.