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✭✭✭The change to Nova is simply hilarious. 0.25 seconds buff - really?
Also this --> "make it easier to hit moving targets." Come on...
Seriously?
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Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭Valkysas154 wrote: »Valkysas154 wrote: »Valkysas154 wrote: »Buff to something most of us don't even use do to the Destro ult i done training dummy tests with just the ults
Staff Nova and mages
Nova is the worse one when it comes to dmg
Now if they removed the synergy and added the damage to the ult instead it would compete with the others maybe
No, this is a bad suggestion. Nova doesn't need to be a Templar-specific Destro Ult. It's actually quite strong, and the Synergy is incredibly strong in PvP. But the cost needs to come down to about 200 to make it more desirable compared to Destro Ult.
Don't care about pvp i Solo there for synergy = useless and i would think ppl would you know just move out of the way of nova something you cant do with EOTS
You're comparing apples to oranges. But if you're a solo PvPer you shouldn't be using Nova anyway.
LOL might want to read that again :)P
No offense but I don't know how re-reading your poorly written comment will help. I assume English is not your native language so I apologize for any misunderstanding.
No need to apologize some ppl just have no imagination or puzzle solving skills most pll can look at a misspelled word and know exactly what it is some can't no need to apologize.
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Arbitrator✭✭✭Templars are like the tester class for the devs. They give us something to see how it works and after they get feedback they nerf it by 66.7% or take it away entirely, but give a newly enhanced version to another class. So sick of this ***.
All we've ever been good at is heals and that's because of 1 ability, Breath of Life. Our DPS was ever only good in execute phase because of Radiant Destruction but then that was nerfed. Our tanking "toolkit" is non-existent. We have no AoE CC, no group bubbles, all our abilities cost too much and/or worthless. The list goes on and on.
Why can't they see that we want to have fun playing the way we want? Let us smite enemies like holy warriors do, let us be paladins of the light protecting our teammates! You've tried to make us into some sort of Cleric but really it's just a Priest. The Templar needs to be redesigned to be viable, fun and effective at all 3 roles just like every other class' skill trees are designed. I want to play a light wielding tank that is not overlooked in trials just because I'm not a dragonknight. It's ridiculous.5 -
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✭✭I want my *** Sustain back.
I don't give two *** about the Cost Reduction changes. My Templar Skills are fairly low cost anyway ( but damn... Dk's are getting hammered by the removal of Cost Reductions...).
But that Sustain?
I don't want to use boring, brain-dead Heavy Attacks. that's why I designed my Magicka Templar the way I did. So I could use all of those pretty and very effective Class Skills, and I WOULD NEVER HAVE TO TOUCH A SINGLE *** HEAVY ATTACK!!!
But no... ZOS says that i have to play the Class the way THEY want me to play it... Because if I don't, I won't have the resources to continue to do... anything in the game.
Even weaving in Heavy Attacks in the 3.0.4 update, resource micro-management is a *** chore, and I STILL RUN OUT OF RESOURCES FREQUENTLY!!!
I used to love this game, and I'd defend it mightily any day of the week.
Now? Now I *** hate it after trying these changes on the PTS. I want to play "Elder Scrolls Online" NOT "Resource Micro-Management Online".
I have so much *** rage over these changes and the sheer dismissal of Player desires and concerns by ZOS...
Just give me my *** Sustain back.
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✭✭Finally Templars will have a worthy contender for Meteors or Destro Ults. Oh you did want old repentance or major mending back? Sorry. No can do.
Damn you, you actually made me check hoping to see some kind of nova damage boost.
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lunalitetempler✭✭✭✭jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »lunalitetempler wrote: »Finally Templars will have a worthy contender for Meteors or Destro Ults. Oh you did want old repentance or major mending back? Sorry. No can do.
I'm over the ******* moon about nova, makes it easier to drop on EOTS zergs. I can still repent **** everyone else about time they learned to manage their own resources. Bol? Heck I can aim, makes healers more skill based.
But is nova really now as good as metor and destro ulti? Explain your self! ^^
@ZOS_GinaBruno is this the type of teamwork your team is trying to promote in the stamplars/Templar community?
I can sprint into battle off the wall and troll repent Templars that are in the midst of fighting. Then they need to learn how to manage their resources? That's just silly. Because another Templar showed up an trolled them since they were low on stamina from sprinting, even if they are in the same 24 man group.
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Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭I wrote this in a different thread, but it applies here as well;Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »Honestly, it's like ZoS is half-hearing all our suggestions. They hear us raising an uproar and throw a small change to try to quiet us down without actually hearing what the problem was in the first place.
Templars: Luminous is crap, give us our stun back or move it to luminous
Zos: Ugh, those freakin whiny templars. Just buff their damage on another skill that's hardly used and they'll go back into their corner.
Think about all our "supposed" buffs
1 meter radius increase on radial sweep
1% shield increase on radiant ward
10% damage increase on dark flare
70% snare only the last hit on sweeps/jabs that last 2 freakin seconds.
If it's one thing I absolutely hate, it's to be patronized. F*** off with that
Honestly, I'm not angry or hurt or sad. I just feel...resigned. I think I've come to terms that nothing major is going to change in the final patch update. the hollowification of the one true class i love in this will continue till as long as this combat team remains arrogantly defiant in their "vision" of what a Templar should be. They might as well be wearing blindfolds."My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)6 -
BraidasNM✭✭✭✭nova lost its usefulness when zos made synergies impossible to hit. you used to be able to drop a nova and have someone synergize it b4 it even landed for instant burst + kd, now you have to be exactly in the center, have no other synergies overwriting it (purify/spears/etc.), and even then synergies dont pop up instantly like they used to.
unless zos ever fixes synergies, and reduces nova's cost to 200 or lower, it will remain useless.
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BraidasNM✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgsEdited by BraidasNM on May 15, 2017 8:35PMYoutube
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✭I completely lost interest in playing with my templar characters. They lost everything that made me enjoy the class.
Back on launch days I remember I usted to love Aedric Spear skills, loved the whole concept of wielding a divine spear to "control" (pst "CCs") and dominate the forces of evil. Now I feel they're just a bunch of yellow sticks with alot of weird uses PC/DC/NAserver
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭Magplar is top tier for morrowind PVP, only very slightly behind mag sorc.
For BG maybe. But not because of its own power. Magplar provides useful things to teammates: shards, heal, purge, minor sorcery, Backlash and nice finisher. That is strong, but not a magplar himself.
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✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?Edited by Lexxypwns on May 15, 2017 10:22PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
My build is getting a buff, at least for the CP shifting towards front loading the DMG type and adding more benefits to dodge roll/Sprint/block where 15-25 points would have required 40+ points in each on live to get the same percentages.
But I imagine that's for all builds.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »All templars wanted was a reliable CC that's the only thing they had to do for templars and the Templar community would have been happy.Instead they removed major mending ,Increase the range of Javalin so it can't even be used as a effective CC,Removed the disorient from Shards and ruined repentance.
Zos had everything on a silver plater and they ruined it.
Literally we could have sucked up the Repent change if they would have just given us a reliable CC at this point. Instead they increase the drop for Nova by .25s....k. Still won't use it in 99% of my gameplay.
Wait, shouldn't that be 98.75% of the time now? or was it 99.25 before the big buff?
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
I understand what you say. I also play agressively (2 damage sets with DW and destro) and sustain is really high when you stack regen buff like HotD, minor magicka steal and rune, and I don't complain. I like my magplar both on live and PTS.
But to dominate in each aspect of PvP as a damage dealer you must be able to, well, kill a target. That's the core problem of jabs \ sweeps. Opponents can really reduce channel damage from 25% (avoid 1 tick) to 0 (avoid all 4). Sorcs can spam roots of build a camp of mines, Nightblades can spam Grasp and kite you easily, DKs can Talon you to death (to a draw tbh), and stamina is just more mobile and can backstab you while avoiding jabs. I usually kill everything that just stands in front of my face, but when I meet an opponent who is actually trying to negate my jabs, there is no way to kill him quickly even with full damage build. In short, channels suck.
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I'll concede the point that; in the Battlegrounds (specifically) MagTemplars may very well be in a good place.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
However:
- That does not translate to the rest of the game well in any way.
- The vast majority of Players will never touch the PvP aspects of this game (as the vast majority 90+% of player populations are PvE Players), and an even smaller percentage of people are going to delve deeply into the Battlegrounds.
- We don't have to speculate on how it will perform on the Live Servers. We can see right here, on the PTS, what it will play like on the Live servers. The lack of resources due to the loss of Sustain and Cost reduction, the nigh-complete removal of Sustain from the game, the severe nerfs to any type of Cost Reduction, the soul-crushing nerfs to three (3) full Classes by giving the Skills/Abilities that made those Classes "unique" and "fun" to the Warden... none of that is lost to "speculation". What we're seeing here on the PTS is EXACTLY what it will be like on the Live servers.
So while the niche inside of a niche that is the Battlegrounds might hold good things for the MagTemplar, in the entire other 99% of the game;
- MagTemplars are still borked,
- StamTemplars are screwed,
- DK's of all types are getting neutered into oblivion,
- NB's of all types are going to be completely lost in the woods with almost zero effective combat Skills,
- Sustain is still going to be non-existent,
- Cost Reduction is all-but disappearing,
- enemy Health and Damage remain unchanged despite the Players becoming severely weaker,
- front-loaded CP all-but removes the difference between a Player with 60CP and one with 600CP,
- Heavy Attacks become the new combat standard, which will severely slow down combat even with the ever so slight speed increase to those attacks,
- Even with testing the higher resource return from Heavy Attacks, resource micro-management is still the new core focus of doing anything in the game,
- With the damage increase to Light Attacks, combat will become more often Light Attacks and Heavy Attacks focused, with players simply unable to complete more than 1-3 rotations of their Class Skills. This makes combat a boring, mindless slog that is the exact opposite of ZOS's stated goals...
None of this is good anywhere in the game, except for in the tiny Battlegrounds area of the game. A niche-within-a-niche.
That will not be a "good place" for the game once this all goes Live. Ever.
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
I understand what you say. I also play agressively (2 damage sets with DW and destro) and sustain is really high when you stack regen buff like HotD, minor magicka steal and rune, and I don't complain. I like my magplar both on live and PTS.
But to dominate in each aspect of PvP as a damage dealer you must be able to, well, kill a target. That's the core problem of jabs \ sweeps. Opponents can really reduce channel damage from 25% (avoid 1 tick) to 0 (avoid all 4). Sorcs can spam roots of build a camp of mines, Nightblades can spam Grasp and kite you easily, DKs can Talon you to death (to a draw tbh), and stamina is just more mobile and can backstab you while avoiding jabs. I usually kill everything that just stands in front of my face, but when I meet an opponent who is actually trying to negate my jabs, there is no way to kill him quickly even with full damage build. In short, channels suck.
TBH, jabs is a filler. Apply your dot/bursts, and jab at the end. Use purifying light-VB-Explosive charge then jabs. The VB might be Dodged but you'll get the crit/minor SD buff anyway. The other skills will stick making jabs perform as it should; post-burst dmg.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
Normally I agree with just about everything your write, but I think you are off base here.
I know you think BoL is a "buff," but it's not. The spell is is no way more effective on the PTS than it is on Live. There is nothing about it that makes it perform any better; indeed there are two things that make it perform worse: it costs more and heals less.
Ranged builds are not "completely" shut down. Eclipse is still expensive, still does little damage, actually does give CC immunity without costing the target stamina. It's not at all clear Eclipse will all of a sudden become popular. Let's say I am a sorcerer and I get eclipsed. BFD. I curse you, crushing shock you, Mage's fury you, Eclipse breaks, then I insta cast a frag proc - that's till a good burst. Or I simply use the opportunity to reapply my shields. A NB will just cloak. A DK is not inconvenienced at all by Eclipse. Stam builds don't care. A magplar will just cleanse it. We're just going to see how this plays out, but you are pronouncing it before it even hits Live.
How do Templars have the best magcka sustain all of a sudden? Do you mean the Restoring focus spell that is redundant by the Warden in group that gives me the resistance buffs? Or does the 0.2 second increase on Dark Deal somehow make sorc sustain crap? We don't know what will happen with NB siphoning, but as much as they complained about it, provided the skill was used correctly it represented an efficient use of resources and healed for much more. DKs, well, DKs have been RIP since 1.6.
It is also presumptuous to say that temps "absolutely dominate" mag sorcs. The open world 1v1 scenario is not nearly as clear cut as you are making it out to be. In a group fight, Eclipse isn't going to do you any good because Eclipse one hits one player at a time: all the other sorcs, NBs, and ranged builds will still hit you with impunity.
Templar will always be good in groups but I hate using that as a barometer for class effectiveness because that's a nice way of saying the class doesn't measure up when it's on it's own. A templar alone is very strong when it comes to not dying. Lacking the on-demand burst when outnumbered, however, makes it a questionable choice in such situation. Any stam build can burst at any time with abilities not contingent on ideal circumstances. There is a debate there, so potentially a templar is 6th as opposed to 2nd of the 8 specs when it comes to solo open world. And 6th is just writing of mNBs, which I think is a mistake because for as much a people say they aren't very good, mNBs in duels are very strong.
Templar is reliant on healing and no matter how you try to sell us that BoL is somehow getting buffed when it's not, your sweeps, your purify, and your breaths are going to be healing you for noticeably less. Meanwhile sorc shields and your stam opponents rally and vigor will be ticking for the same. The Templar is weaker on the PTS than on Live in such mano y mano situations.
You aren't crazy. You are a good player who can get away with the burst or bust style of play in general and not surprising at all on the PTS when folks are experimenting. It's anecdotal evidence. When you come across an opponent who is just as skilled and experienced, you will be in a worse situation than on Live because even if DKs and NBs got nerfed in sustain, their damage did not and you no longer have major mending, which is one of the strongest buffs in the game.
Templar is losing one of the best buffs in the game, NBs and sorcs are not; it is not relatively stronger on the PTS than on Live,Edited by Joy_Division on May 16, 2017 4:17PM11 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
Normally I agree with just about everything your write, but I think you are off base here.
I know you think BoL is a "buff," but it's not. The spell is is no way more effective on the PTS than it is on Live. There is nothing about it that makes it perform any better; indeed there are two things that make it perform worse: it costs more and heals less.
Ranged builds are not "completely" shut down. Eclipse is still expensive, still does little damage, actually does give CC immunity without costing the target stamina. It's not at all clear Eclipse will all of a sudden become popular. Let's say I am a sorcerer and I get eclipsed. BFD. I curse you, crushing shock you, Mage's fury you, Eclipse breaks, then I insta cast a frag proc - that's till a good burst. Or I simply use the opportunity to reapply my shields. A NB will just cloak. A DK is not inconvenienced at all by Eclipse. Stam builds don't care. A magplar will just cleanse it. We're just going to see how this plays out, but you are pronouncing it before it even hits Live.
How do Templars have the best magcka sustain all of a sudden? Do you mean the Restoring focus spell that is redundant by the Warden in group that gives me the resistance buffs? Or does the 0.2 second increase on Dark Deal somehow make sorc sustain crap? We don't know what will happen with NB siphoning, but as much as they complained about it, provided the skill was used correctly it represented an efficient use of resources and healed for much more. DKs, well, DKs have been RIP since 1.6.
It is also presumptuous to say that temps "absolutely dominate" mag sorcs. The open world 1v1 scenario is not nearly as clear cut as you are making it out to be. In a group fight, Eclipse isn't going to do you any good because Eclipse one hits one player at a time: all the other sorcs, NBs, and ranged builds will still hit you with impunity.
Templar will always be good in groups but I hate using that as a barometer for class effectiveness because that's a nice way of saying the class doesn't measure up when it's on it's own. A templar alone is very strong when it comes to not dying. Lacking the on-demand burst when outnumbered, however, makes it a questionable choice in such situation. Any stam build can burst at any time with abilities not contingent on ideal circumstances. There is a debate there, so potentially a templar is 6th as opposed to 2nd of the 8 specs when it comes to solo open world. And 6th is just writing of mNBs, which I think is a mistake because for as much a people say they aren't very good, mNBs in duels are very strong.
Templar is reliant on healing and no matter how you try to sell us that BoL is somehow getting buffed when it's not, your sweeps, your purify, and your breaths are going to be healing you for noticeably less. Meanwhile sorc shields and your stam opponents rally and vigor will be ticking for the same. The Templar is weaker on the PTS than on Live in such mano y mano situations.
You aren't crazy. You are a good player who can get away with the burst or bust style of play in general and not surprising at all on the PTS when folks are experimenting. It's anecdotal evidence. When you come across an opponent who is just as skilled and experienced, you will be in a worse situation than on Live because even if DKs and NBs got nerfed in sustain, their damage did not and you no longer have major mending, which is one of the strongest buffs in the game.
Templar is losing one of the best buffs in the game, NBs and sorcs are not; it is not relatively stronger on the PTS than on Live,
Don't forget they also greatly increased the max value for Befoul in the CP tree and the front loaded CP gains basically guarantee everyone will have enough CP's to spec into it now. It would be very interesting to know what the actual value of a BoL main heal will be for a Templar with a meta solo/non-healer PvP setup when they are fully buffed themselves but also afflicted with major defile buffed by 20-25 points in Befoul. If one light attack + one spammable attack is doing more than 50% of that value Templars are in trouble considering the changes to regen and cost reduction. For solo players I imagine it's going to be too easy for damage to outpace healing, forcing the Templar to expend their resources much faster than their opponents and the second the Temp runs out of magic they'll die.Edited by itscompton on May 16, 2017 10:15PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭IUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
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@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
I understand what you say. I also play agressively (2 damage sets with DW and destro) and sustain is really high when you stack regen buff like HotD, minor magicka steal and rune, and I don't complain. I like my magplar both on live and PTS.
But to dominate in each aspect of PvP as a damage dealer you must be able to, well, kill a target. That's the core problem of jabs \ sweeps. Opponents can really reduce channel damage from 25% (avoid 1 tick) to 0 (avoid all 4). Sorcs can spam roots of build a camp of mines, Nightblades can spam Grasp and kite you easily, DKs can Talon you to death (to a draw tbh), and stamina is just more mobile and can backstab you while avoiding jabs. I usually kill everything that just stands in front of my face, but when I meet an opponent who is actually trying to negate my jabs, there is no way to kill him quickly even with full damage build. In short, channels suck.
I usually only use sweeps once during my burst, after they've been CC'ed and right before purifying light explodesUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I'll concede the point that; in the Battlegrounds (specifically) MagTemplars may very well be in a good place.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
^
@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
However:
- That does not translate to the rest of the game well in any way.
- The vast majority of Players will never touch the PvP aspects of this game (as the vast majority 90+% of player populations are PvE Players), and an even smaller percentage of people are going to delve deeply into the Battlegrounds.
- We don't have to speculate on how it will perform on the Live Servers. We can see right here, on the PTS, what it will play like on the Live servers. The lack of resources due to the loss of Sustain and Cost reduction, the nigh-complete removal of Sustain from the game, the severe nerfs to any type of Cost Reduction, the soul-crushing nerfs to three (3) full Classes by giving the Skills/Abilities that made those Classes "unique" and "fun" to the Warden... none of that is lost to "speculation". What we're seeing here on the PTS is EXACTLY what it will be like on the Live servers.
So while the niche inside of a niche that is the Battlegrounds might hold good things for the MagTemplar, in the entire other 99% of the game;
- MagTemplars are still borked,
- StamTemplars are screwed,
- DK's of all types are getting neutered into oblivion,
- NB's of all types are going to be completely lost in the woods with almost zero effective combat Skills,
- Sustain is still going to be non-existent,
- Cost Reduction is all-but disappearing,
- enemy Health and Damage remain unchanged despite the Players becoming severely weaker,
- front-loaded CP all-but removes the difference between a Player with 60CP and one with 600CP,
- Heavy Attacks become the new combat standard, which will severely slow down combat even with the ever so slight speed increase to those attacks,
- Even with testing the higher resource return from Heavy Attacks, resource micro-management is still the new core focus of doing anything in the game,
- With the damage increase to Light Attacks, combat will become more often Light Attacks and Heavy Attacks focused, with players simply unable to complete more than 1-3 rotations of their Class Skills. This makes combat a boring, mindless slog that is the exact opposite of ZOS's stated goals...
None of this is good anywhere in the game, except for in the tiny Battlegrounds area of the game. A niche-within-a-niche.
That will not be a "good place" for the game once this all goes Live. Ever.
I'm not arguing against anything you're saying. I think you misunderstand me, I'm simply saying that for Pvp, magplar is in a great place relative to where many other classes are. They'll be top tier in small and large scale Pvp, no question.Joy_Division wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
^
@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
Normally I agree with just about everything your write, but I think you are off base here.
I know you think BoL is a "buff," but it's not. The spell is is no way more effective on the PTS than it is on Live. There is nothing about it that makes it perform any better; indeed there are two things that make it perform worse: it coast more and heals less.
Ranged builds are not "completely" shut down. Eclipse is still expensive, still does little damage, actually does give CC immunity without costing the target stamina. It's not at all clear Eclipse will all of a sudden become popular. Let's say I am a sorcerer and I get eclipsed. BFD. I curse you, crushing shock you, Mage's fury you, Eclipse breaks, then I insta cast a frag proc - that's till a good burst. Or I simply use the opportunity to reapply my shields. A NB will just cloak. A DK is not inconvenienced at all by Eclipse. Stam builds don't care. A magplar will just cleanse it. We're just going to see how this plays out, but you are pronouncing it before it even hits Live.
How do Templars have the best magcka sustain all of a sudden? Do you mean the Restoring focus spell that is redundant by the Warden in group that gives me the resistance buffs? Or does the 0.2 second increase on Dark Deal somehow make sorc sustain crap? We don't know what will happen with NB siphoning, but as much as they complained about it, provided the skill was used correctly it represented an efficient use of resources and healed for much more. DKs, well, DKs have been RIP since 1.6.
It is also presumptuous to say that temps "absolutely dominate" mag sorcs. The open world 1v1 scenario is not nearly as clear cut as you are making it out to be. In a group fight, Eclipse isn't going to do you any good because there Eclipse one hits one player at a time: all the other sorcs, NBs, and ranged builds will still hit you with impunity.
Templar will always be good in groups but I hate using that as a barometer for class effectiveness because that's a nice way of saying the class doesn't measure up when it's on it's own. A templar alone is very strong when it comes to not dying. Lacking the on-demand burst when outnumbered, however, makes it a questionable choice in such situation. Any stam build can burst at any time with abilities not contingent on ideal circumstances. There is a debate there, so potentially a templar is 6th as opposed to 2nd of the 8 specs when it comes to solo open world. And 6th is just writing of mNBs, which I think is a mistake because for as much a people say they aren't very good, mNBs in duels are very strong.
Templar is reliant on healing and no matter how you try to sell us that BoL is somehow getting buffed when it's not, your sweeps, your purify, and your breaths are going to be healing you for noticeably less. Meanwhile sorc shields and your stam opponents rally and vigor will be ticking for the same. The Templar is weaker on the PTS than on Live in such mano y mano situations.
You aren't crazy. You are a good player who can get away with the burst or bust style of play in general and not surprising at all on the PTS when folks are experimenting. It's anecdotal evidence. When you come across an opponent who is just as skilled and experienced, you will be in a worse situation than on Live because even if DKs and NBs got nerfed in sustain, their damage did not and you no longer have major mending, which is one of the strongest buffs in the game.
What magika class has better sustain than magplar? Are we running ele drain on msorc now, where's major prophecy coming from?
Yes, a sorc can hold his frag until after his curse explodes and I've recovered from it and try to burst with that. But that won't work in heavy unless you've been drastically outplayed. You can also purge his curse and any resource poisons, an option only stamplar a have.
Add in the roll dodge buff and the only Templar weakness, root spam, has been severely diminished(theoretically, we'll have to see this part in practice on live servers).
Even on live I absolutely can't be burst by 1 player. And that's on a 38k mag 4k spell damage build with infinite sustain. Next patch we drop a little more magika, push to 30k hp, switch skoria/groth for EG/Chokethorn. Now you're able to use spell symm safely during health procs and have unlimited sustain without giving up a 5 PC for it.
BoL is a ridiculously strong heal, even if you've only got minor mending with it. You've still got a ton of healing.
Vigor healing didn't get nerfed but it's much more expensive, so is bloodcraze spin it how you want, but Stam healing got hit hard.
Max damage potential is higher next patch, noticeably, but average damage is going to plummet. People are literally counting on heavy attacks to save them!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
^
@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
I understand what you say. I also play agressively (2 damage sets with DW and destro) and sustain is really high when you stack regen buff like HotD, minor magicka steal and rune, and I don't complain. I like my magplar both on live and PTS.
But to dominate in each aspect of PvP as a damage dealer you must be able to, well, kill a target. That's the core problem of jabs \ sweeps. Opponents can really reduce channel damage from 25% (avoid 1 tick) to 0 (avoid all 4). Sorcs can spam roots of build a camp of mines, Nightblades can spam Grasp and kite you easily, DKs can Talon you to death (to a draw tbh), and stamina is just more mobile and can backstab you while avoiding jabs. I usually kill everything that just stands in front of my face, but when I meet an opponent who is actually trying to negate my jabs, there is no way to kill him quickly even with full damage build. In short, channels suck.
I usually only use sweeps once during my burst, after they've been CC'ed and right before purifying light explodesUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I'll concede the point that; in the Battlegrounds (specifically) MagTemplars may very well be in a good place.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
^
@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
However:
- That does not translate to the rest of the game well in any way.
- The vast majority of Players will never touch the PvP aspects of this game (as the vast majority 90+% of player populations are PvE Players), and an even smaller percentage of people are going to delve deeply into the Battlegrounds.
- We don't have to speculate on how it will perform on the Live Servers. We can see right here, on the PTS, what it will play like on the Live servers. The lack of resources due to the loss of Sustain and Cost reduction, the nigh-complete removal of Sustain from the game, the severe nerfs to any type of Cost Reduction, the soul-crushing nerfs to three (3) full Classes by giving the Skills/Abilities that made those Classes "unique" and "fun" to the Warden... none of that is lost to "speculation". What we're seeing here on the PTS is EXACTLY what it will be like on the Live servers.
So while the niche inside of a niche that is the Battlegrounds might hold good things for the MagTemplar, in the entire other 99% of the game;
- MagTemplars are still borked,
- StamTemplars are screwed,
- DK's of all types are getting neutered into oblivion,
- NB's of all types are going to be completely lost in the woods with almost zero effective combat Skills,
- Sustain is still going to be non-existent,
- Cost Reduction is all-but disappearing,
- enemy Health and Damage remain unchanged despite the Players becoming severely weaker,
- front-loaded CP all-but removes the difference between a Player with 60CP and one with 600CP,
- Heavy Attacks become the new combat standard, which will severely slow down combat even with the ever so slight speed increase to those attacks,
- Even with testing the higher resource return from Heavy Attacks, resource micro-management is still the new core focus of doing anything in the game,
- With the damage increase to Light Attacks, combat will become more often Light Attacks and Heavy Attacks focused, with players simply unable to complete more than 1-3 rotations of their Class Skills. This makes combat a boring, mindless slog that is the exact opposite of ZOS's stated goals...
None of this is good anywhere in the game, except for in the tiny Battlegrounds area of the game. A niche-within-a-niche.
That will not be a "good place" for the game once this all goes Live. Ever.
I'm not arguing against anything you're saying. I think you misunderstand me, I'm simply saying that for Pvp, magplar is in a great place relative to where many other classes are. They'll be top tier in small and large scale Pvp, no question.Joy_Division wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
i can confidently say magplar is strong in bgs
^
@Ashamray
@Uriel_Nocturne
I'm not sure what you're seeing or experiencing, tbh. The major mending nerf hurts, but everyone is eating hard nerfs. The ability to consistently shut down ranged builds, time incredible burst, the new targeting buff on BoL, and arguably best magika sustain just add up to a very strong class.
Its also worth noting that magplar absolutely dominates mag sorc now, having a hard counter to both curse and frags. Being able to crush the meta/fotm spec adds a lot to the open world viability of a class that already has a lot of tools available.
Ultimately its all just speculation until we see how it performs open world, but I know for certain that in BGs magplar is in a pretty damned good spot. It will outperform all non-warden stam builds and all non-sorc magika builds imo. Good aoe, good passives, decent burst, phenomenal sustain(relative to other classes, not live), and nice utility both solo and grouped.
You can now guarantee you get the big BoL heal, the small one is still non-directional and can heal allies behind you. This alone should provide similar self healing to what major mending gives.
Maybe I'm crazy, but magplar seems to be moving up relative to other specs next patch.
Edit: I should note, I play a very very aggressive style as magplar. I'm a purely solo/duo player so usually in a position of burst and get quick kills or get overwhelmed. I'm stacking skoria+soulshine for damage on PTS and running Soulshine+skoria+Alch on live. It could be that a difference in play style is why I'm seeing differently?
Normally I agree with just about everything your write, but I think you are off base here.
I know you think BoL is a "buff," but it's not. The spell is is no way more effective on the PTS than it is on Live. There is nothing about it that makes it perform any better; indeed there are two things that make it perform worse: it coast more and heals less.
Ranged builds are not "completely" shut down. Eclipse is still expensive, still does little damage, actually does give CC immunity without costing the target stamina. It's not at all clear Eclipse will all of a sudden become popular. Let's say I am a sorcerer and I get eclipsed. BFD. I curse you, crushing shock you, Mage's fury you, Eclipse breaks, then I insta cast a frag proc - that's till a good burst. Or I simply use the opportunity to reapply my shields. A NB will just cloak. A DK is not inconvenienced at all by Eclipse. Stam builds don't care. A magplar will just cleanse it. We're just going to see how this plays out, but you are pronouncing it before it even hits Live.
How do Templars have the best magcka sustain all of a sudden? Do you mean the Restoring focus spell that is redundant by the Warden in group that gives me the resistance buffs? Or does the 0.2 second increase on Dark Deal somehow make sorc sustain crap? We don't know what will happen with NB siphoning, but as much as they complained about it, provided the skill was used correctly it represented an efficient use of resources and healed for much more. DKs, well, DKs have been RIP since 1.6.
It is also presumptuous to say that temps "absolutely dominate" mag sorcs. The open world 1v1 scenario is not nearly as clear cut as you are making it out to be. In a group fight, Eclipse isn't going to do you any good because there Eclipse one hits one player at a time: all the other sorcs, NBs, and ranged builds will still hit you with impunity.
Templar will always be good in groups but I hate using that as a barometer for class effectiveness because that's a nice way of saying the class doesn't measure up when it's on it's own. A templar alone is very strong when it comes to not dying. Lacking the on-demand burst when outnumbered, however, makes it a questionable choice in such situation. Any stam build can burst at any time with abilities not contingent on ideal circumstances. There is a debate there, so potentially a templar is 6th as opposed to 2nd of the 8 specs when it comes to solo open world. And 6th is just writing of mNBs, which I think is a mistake because for as much a people say they aren't very good, mNBs in duels are very strong.
Templar is reliant on healing and no matter how you try to sell us that BoL is somehow getting buffed when it's not, your sweeps, your purify, and your breaths are going to be healing you for noticeably less. Meanwhile sorc shields and your stam opponents rally and vigor will be ticking for the same. The Templar is weaker on the PTS than on Live in such mano y mano situations.
You aren't crazy. You are a good player who can get away with the burst or bust style of play in general and not surprising at all on the PTS when folks are experimenting. It's anecdotal evidence. When you come across an opponent who is just as skilled and experienced, you will be in a worse situation than on Live because even if DKs and NBs got nerfed in sustain, their damage did not and you no longer have major mending, which is one of the strongest buffs in the game.
What magika class has better sustain than magplar? Are we running ele drain on msorc now, where's major prophecy coming from?
Yes, a sorc can hold his frag until after his curse explodes and I've recovered from it and try to burst with that. But that won't work in heavy unless you've been drastically outplayed. You can also purge his curse and any resource poisons, an option only stamplar a have.
Add in the roll dodge buff and the only Templar weakness, root spam, has been severely diminished(theoretically, we'll have to see this part in practice on live servers).
Even on live I absolutely can't be burst by 1 player. And that's on a 38k mag 4k spell damage build with infinite sustain. Next patch we drop a little more magika, push to 30k hp, switch skoria/groth for EG/Chokethorn. Now you're able to use spell symm safely during health procs and have unlimited sustain without giving up a 5 PC for it.
BoL is a ridiculously strong heal, even if you've only got minor mending with it. You've still got a ton of healing.
Vigor healing didn't get nerfed but it's much more expensive, so is bloodcraze spin it how you want, but Stam healing got hit hard.
Max damage potential is higher next patch, noticeably, but average damage is going to plummet. People are literally counting on heavy attacks to save them!
At 11k tooltip, a bol will hit for 5.5k heal in PvP. With 25% extra heading that's 1375 extra healing. With minor it's 440 extra heading (8% right?).
BoL has and we'll forever be the anti-execute. The strength of a Templar is his ability to bring players from death to half health via the low healing passive without a resto staff.
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