Straw poll balance changes! [Dark Deal/Mage-Light Empower/Stam NB sustain buff?/Eots nerf?]

GreenSoup2HoT

Straw poll for dark deal!
https://strawpoll.com/s87w39r

Straw poll for magelight empower!
https://strawpoll.com/e7f6aw9

Straw poll for stamina nightblade healing buff?
https://strawpoll.com/a6a1abd

Straw poll for Eye of the Storm!
https://strawpoll.com/xf9653y


I thought it would be a good idea to get multiple polls for various things using straw poll. I think ive hit quiet a few of the topics popping up in threads so far. Will add more once topics are brought up. Leave an Awesome to show you support!

asneakybanana

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

CavalryPK

Where is the love for magblade?

Magıc

asneakybanana wrote: »

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

I rarely see Eots anymore unless it's GvG play. It really isn't as strong as you're making out (in 1v1/small scale) lol.

Zarrakon

asneakybanana wrote: »

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

I agree with this a lot. I like using the other morph (elemental rage) even in PvP, because the damage it does is absolutely massive. But it's never felt like an I-win button in PvP, because there are some people who can already just solo heal/shield right through it, and almost anyone competent knows to just walk out.

I could also really get on board with making it a channel. But maybe increase the damage back to normal or give a movement speed buff if this happen.

MaxwellC

Mage light should only empower your next magic ability not any ability.

Emma_Overload

asneakybanana wrote: »

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

LOL @ "uncounterable"! You haven't noticed how people will just run away from you when you cast it? Heck, I don't even use it that much to try to kill anyone, I just drop it to get people to back off so I can get away.

GreenSoup2HoT

Thanks for your input @asneakybanana. The suggestion is right on point. I would go so far as to say all AoE's should work this way.

asneakybanana

Magıc wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

I rarely see Eots anymore unless it's GvG play. It really isn't as strong as you're making out (in 1v1/small scale) lol.

I agree it's not as prevalent as it was before the nerf but it is still definitely ridiculously strong in a 1v1 situation. Sit there as a nb and pop destro and then ambush a couple times and then fear and watch most people melt in 2-3 ticks apart from tanks. TBH I wouldn't even classify this as a nerf just as a useful reworking of the skill to make people think more about using it. If there's anyone that wouldn't want the skill to be nerfed it would be pretty safe to say that would be me as I basically only play a bomb blade.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Since there was no other option for eots I'll put my idea here. Eots should scale like prox det where the more people you hit with it the more damage you do. The utility of eots to discourage zerging is hugely needed, however when you use eots in a 1v1 situation it is nearly uncounterable. If they made it was still unblockable and then just scaled up based on how many people you hit to the current damage or slightly higher damage than it would be balanced. Make it so on a single player it does like 40% the damage that it is now on single target, so like 3.5k on a build running clever alch and vd, and then increase by 25% on that base damage per target hit up to 10 targets. This way if you hit 6 targets, which odds are means it's a decent sized group it will do like 8.7k damage a tick to a light armor vampire squish build with little to no impen.

There would probably need to be a little more fine tuning to my suggestion in terms of values but I think it's a very good start and would help to reduce it's "cheese" against single targets but keep the effectiveness against zergs.

LOL @ "uncounterable"! You haven't noticed how people will just run away from you when you cast it? Heck, I don't even use it that much to try to kill anyone, I just drop it to get people to back off so I can get away.

What is the counter in a 1v1 to a nightblade spamming ambush on you over and over again w/ their destro rolling while you try to run away? are you going to vigor yourself to safety? or shield yourself? or heal yourself? As soon as you do that nb pops a fear and then starts single targetting you down and youre dead. Do I think that when you're bombing a zerg people will get away a lot more often now that they are aware of the skill? Absolutely, which is why with this change it would take a lot more skill to actually get that full damage bonus and really make you hunt down the large packs of players instead of just the 1s and 2s.

NyassaV

My two cents for eye of the storm is that if Caltrops can't stack in live, why should eye of the storm. Thing is, in PvE this is a bloody problem because it hinders the abilty to burn mobs

GreenSoup2HoT

Hollery wrote: »

My two cents for eye of the storm is that if Caltrops can't stack in live, why should eye of the storm. Thing is, in PvE this is a bloody problem because it hinders the abilty to burn mobs

If Eots worked like caltrops does in live, would pve players not turn to their other ground aoe based class ultimates like they used to before this op skill was released? Then probably leave the ability to the mag nb dps.

In my opinion id rather eots work like caltrops does in live to prevent destro trains.... but then batswarm trains would just happen. pbaoe needs a nerf imho.

F7sus4

The only issue I see with Strawpolls is...
Meritocracy > democracy