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SshadowSscale

Well bow is now totaly riped

LiquidPony

It's not just PvP. Being able to hold the charge was extremely useful in PvE as well, particularly in Maelstrom and DSA.

No one is going to be heavy weaving on the bow bar.

This is the kind of change that leads to the "do they even play the game?" questions.

JackDaniell

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

t3hdubzy

I agree one of my favorite things about the bow was being able to hold it and wait. I will say heavy weaving with a bow is difficult, but only because i almost never do it. I played around with it in anticipation of the sorrorwind update, and it wasnt fun, but its truly unnecessary.

Subversus

Not to mention that this is the first elder scrolls game to do this to bows...

Tholian1

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

All because of the new battlegrounds maybe?

t3hdubzy

Also, i vaguely remeber someone asking for this change in the first patch notes thread.... so thank that person.

ADarklore

Sad because one of my favorite things about Bow was being able to HOLD it until an enemy got right up to me and shooting them in the face... now I will no longer have any control over my own combat timing.

Kalante

i totally agree. Not allowing to hold your bow you are eliminating many other options to game play.

A good example that i would like to show and i personally like to use is that i hold my bow against cloaked nb's until the person came out of cloak and then release my shot. What if the person stays hidden longer than what i am allowed to charge? what if it fires during the wrong time and i am stuck during the release animation phase? that would be counter intuitive. So so bad for fast paced game play.

Kendaric

Horrible change and completely unneeded. I seriously doubt anyone would view the need to release a mousebutton as a "gameplay barrier"...

D0ntevenL1ft

I honestly hate this change, charging a heavy immediately followed by a poison injection into crit rush was at least one way to take a sorcs shields down.

Sorc buff or everyone else nerf? JK keep it off sorcs; this still needs to be reverted.

Minno

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

Vaoh

Toggle would be the best way to go about this. It is a choice of the player.

It makes me sad that the Devs themselves need to be told this stuff.

React

Also to touch on what SEEMS to be the dev reasoning for this. In PVE since heavy weaving will be required, they think this will make it easier to heavy weave. HOWEVER. Anyone using bow in PvE is also using Dual wield, as their main source of damage. It is infinitely easier to weave a heavy DW attack, as well as more time and cost effective. NO ONE WEAVES HEAVY BOW ATTACKS.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. You devs are actually making fools of yourselves with this change, as this CLEARLY shows that you do not have enough experience with the game to UNDERSTAND stamina DPS in PvE and the general applications for bow heavy attacks in both PvE and PvP.

SodanTok

Liam12548 wrote: »

Also to touch on what SEEMS to be the dev reasoning for this. In PVE since heavy weaving will be required, they think this will make it easier to heavy weave. HOWEVER. Anyone using bow in PvE is also using Dual wield, as their main source of damage. It is infinitely easier to weave a heavy DW attack, as well as more time and cost effective. NO ONE WEAVES HEAVY BOW ATTACKS.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. You devs are actually making fools of yourselves with this change, as this CLEARLY shows that you do not have enough experience with the game to UNDERSTAND stamina DPS in PvE and the general applications for bow heavy attacks.

People using bow as main CANT WEAVE DW ATTACKS so they WEAVE HEAVY BOW ATTACKS. Seriously people stop using BS excuses for your lack of knowledge. Or complain about ZoS "not enough experience" when you are obviously the one lacking.

JackDaniell

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

React

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

People using bow as main CANT WEAVE DW ATTACKS so they WEAVE HEAVY BOW ATTACKS. Seriously people stop using BS excuses for your lack of knowledge. Or complain about ZoS "not enough experience" when you are obviously the one lacking.

I'm a little confused about what you're saying? Are you suggesting that stamina DPS players in PvE use bow as a main weapon? Because if so, that is blatantly false. There are but a handful of builds that almost NO ONE uses that use bow/bow, and in terms of parsing & single target any stamina dps is going to use bow/dw. Thus, they will heavy attack on the DW bar because it is more fluid (Regardless of whether or not bow heavies could be held), procs their main hand enchant, etc. In PVP, the use for bow heavy attacks is to set up burst on a target, and resource return from a distance. Making them fire as soon as charged will destroy ALL of these applications and create no new ones.

Minno

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

Yup!

Want your mind blown? Check out this video for a counter to the stationary archery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Tholian1

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

Yup!

Want your mind blown? Check out this video for a counter to the stationary archery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Looks like a great real world example of in game bow light attacks.

Minno

Tholian1 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

Yup!

Want your mind blown? Check out this video for a counter to the stationary archery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Looks like a great real world example of in game bow light attacks.

Yup!

Sugaroverdose

Any vids about holding fireball on the edge of inferno staff?

Minno

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Any vids about holding fireball on the edge of inferno staff?

No but all ranged weapon attacks should be this way.

diktorius85

I kinda like the change, but i'd prefer toggle

Strider_Roshin

Yeah this change harms way more yeah it benefits. The better route would be to make the option a toggle in your gameplay settings.

jakeedmundson

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

I know this is just a joke... but people want to talk about immersion and making it seem realistic or ruining some random niche build...it's insane... get over it. This style fits with every other weapon in the game now.

To prove your immersion concept doesn't fit...

first - Go out and find a bow... not a compound bow... find a recurve bow or a long bow... 50lb draw weight is pretty average for an adult. I use a 55lb when i target shoot (i have a friend that hunts with a 70lb draw and he's a monster)

second - do a full draw all the way to anchor... if you're even able to

third - attempt to HOLD that draw while you aim at something indefinitely....just like you are wanting to do in this game.

come back and let me know how long you could hold it... here's a hint, it won't be very long. Most people only hold it for a couple seconds. (compound bows like the one in the video... are MUCH easier to hold - we dont' have those in ESO)

Sorry, did that ruin your "immersion"?

MADshadowman_

Zenimax, stop this nonsense. I beg you, pleeeaaase.

Why do you guys ignore player feedback and instead add stuff no one wants?

This patch is full of things no one has ever asked for. Stop wasting development time with useless crap like this, you got bugs to fix. Get on it, for god's sake, GET. ON. IT.

MADshadowman_

jakeedmundson wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

I know this is just a joke... but people want to talk about immersion and making it seem realistic or ruining some random niche build...it's insane... get over it. This style fits with every other weapon in the game now.

To prove your immersion concept doesn't fit...

first - Go out and find a bow... not a compound bow... find a recurve bow or a long bow... 50lb draw weight is pretty average for an adult. I use a 55lb when i target shoot (i have a friend that hunts with a 70lb draw and he's a monster)

second - do a full draw all the way to anchor... if you're even able to

third - attempt to HOLD that draw while you aim at something indefinitely....just like you are wanting to do in this game.

come back and let me know how long you could hold it... here's a hint, it won't be very long. Most people only hold it for a couple seconds. (compound bows like the one in the video... are MUCH easier to hold - we dont' have those in ESO)

Sorry, did that ruin your "immersion"?

Go out and find a fire staff.

Oh, did I just prove your whole argument invalid?

Keep walking, pal.

Sugaroverdose

Minno wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Any vids about holding fireball on the edge of inferno staff?

No but all ranged weapon attacks should be this way.

That's would be pretty OP for fHA gankdk

jakeedmundson

MADshadowman_ wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Thank you for the shout out Liam! And yes this is a TERRIBLE change!

From the patch notes: Bow
Heavy Attacks now automatically fire when they are fully charged.

Developer Comment:
Fully-charged Heavy Attacks will be more important with the resource changes coming in this update, so we want to make sure there are no gameplay barriers to using them.

I have allot of trouble seeing how this change does anything but ADD BARIERS to using a UNIQUELY FUNCTIONING HEAVY ATTACK. zeni max seems determined to water down all playstyles to be the same.

I also have a terrible time seeing it from a real life application too. Bow hunters boast how accurate they can be with how long they can hold the how's draw. Some people can hold abow string pull for 2 minutes before firing off an accurate shot.

Edit:
Source = https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/how-long-can-you-honestly-hold-your-bow-back-and-still-shoot-accurately.34465/

(From google)How to fire a bow:

1. Stance. Stance prior to shooting the bow: Stand upright with feet shoulder width apart, and feet at 90 degrees to the target.
2. Grip. ...
3. Place The Arrow On The Bow. ...
4. Finger Position. ...
5. Draw. ...
6. Aiming. ...
7. Release.

Notice step 5. DRAW coming in before aiming and release.

https://youtu.be/wESnn1ox85U

In this instructional video on firing an arrow the instructor STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF DRAWING YOUR SHOT AND SETTING IT BEFORE RELEASING THE ARROW.

ZENIMAX MY IMMERSION. ZENIMAX MY UNIQUE GAMEPLAY.

seriously though, only a tard would fire arrows like they are proposing.

I know this is just a joke... but people want to talk about immersion and making it seem realistic or ruining some random niche build...it's insane... get over it. This style fits with every other weapon in the game now.

To prove your immersion concept doesn't fit...

first - Go out and find a bow... not a compound bow... find a recurve bow or a long bow... 50lb draw weight is pretty average for an adult. I use a 55lb when i target shoot (i have a friend that hunts with a 70lb draw and he's a monster)

second - do a full draw all the way to anchor... if you're even able to

third - attempt to HOLD that draw while you aim at something indefinitely....just like you are wanting to do in this game.

come back and let me know how long you could hold it... here's a hint, it won't be very long. Most people only hold it for a couple seconds. (compound bows like the one in the video... are MUCH easier to hold - we dont' have those in ESO)

Sorry, did that ruin your "immersion"?

Go out and find a fire staff.

Oh, did I just prove your whole argument invalid?

Keep walking, pal.

umm... no? that's literally what i brought up in the first sentence of my post... that this isn't real.
nice try though.

If you were paying attention... i was responding to people posting real videos of people using a bow.

Xvorg

Is there any player who doesn't feel that with MW ZoS has gone too far touching certain area of his body not to be named and shamed?