Is the stamblade a dead class

bloodthirstyvampire

Is the stamblade a dead class, I hear all of these threads and discussions about how terrible magblades are , but nothing about stamblades there the nightblades that need buffs, even other stam based classes, out class stamblades.

KingJ

Both version on NB need help. Magnb needs more help in my opinion than stamnb. For example for PVE and PVP stamnb biggest issue is survivability that can be solved in a few ways for example giving them access to minor mending or a stam shield. Magnb just deal less damage than other classes This can be solved in several ways for example increasing the damage of the Ground based AOE twisting path and class dot in agony. Also change a passive to give them bonus damage to heavy attacks will push them closer to Magsorc damage hopefully. Right now Mag blades are just weaker sorc.

leepalmer95

Stam nb is fine in pvp.

Just build it right.

Shadow_Viper_vX

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam nb is fine in pvp.

Just build it right.

Care to elaborate?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Majority ppl in Pvp are stamblades but yes they need help in PVE trails.

O_LYKOS

It is if you allow it to be.

ookami007

With Morrowind, the Stamblade will be RIP.

ArchMikem

Its still fine in overworld PvE. My Stamblade is my only character with Master Explorer achieved. Not to mention a crap ton of other achievements and titles.

starkerealm

Not dead, but it could use some attention.

mb10

The short and overall answer is, yes. Yes they are dead and the inferior class in every single department of the game possible.

FrancisCrawford

It's just resting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

Bladerunner1

KingJ wrote: »

Both version on NB need help. Magnb needs more help in my opinion than stamnb. For example for PVE and PVP stamnb biggest issue is survivability that can be solved in a few ways for example giving them access to minor mending or a stam shield. Magnb just deal less damage than other classes This can be solved in several ways for example increasing the damage of the Ground based AOE twisting path and class dot in agony. Also change a passive to give them bonus damage to heavy attacks will push them closer to Magsorc damage hopefully. Right now Mag blades are just weaker sorc.

I thought I read on the patch notes one or two patches ago where twisting/refreshing path got a damage buff, but yeah I actually still don't like my magblade compared to stamblade, it's just a playstyle preference. Stam feels more hard-hitting to me, even though I really only slot a couple of NB skills.

AoDD33pfri3d

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Majority ppl in Pvp are stamblades but yes they need help in PVE trails.

If you join trials as a stamblade they will kick you cause your not a magblade

KingJ

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Both version on NB need help. Magnb needs more help in my opinion than stamnb. For example for PVE and PVP stamnb biggest issue is survivability that can be solved in a few ways for example giving them access to minor mending or a stam shield. Magnb just deal less damage than other classes This can be solved in several ways for example increasing the damage of the Ground based AOE twisting path and class dot in agony. Also change a passive to give them bonus damage to heavy attacks will push them closer to Magsorc damage hopefully. Right now Mag blades are just weaker sorc.

I thought I read on the patch notes one or two patches ago where twisting/refreshing path got a damage buff, but yeah I actually still don't like my magblade compared to stamblade, it's just a playstyle preference. Stam feels more hard-hitting to me, even though I really only slot a couple of NB skills.

Even with that buff Sorc pull higher numbers than magblade by a lot and next patch lets just say it's a lot worst.Only reason to bring a Nb into a trial is to be your group buff itch with the new set that gives major slayer.Personally I'm not sure if it's a big enough reason to use a nb over a sorc.I like both mainly play my Nb especially in PvP.

Brrrofski

Things with stamblades in PvP, in the hands of a good player, they are VERY good. It's a class that requires a lot of practice, but it has such great potential.

I always find it funny when people say they are squishy. The spammable gives resistances and you have tool such as cloak and shade. Granted, cloak still fails occasionally, that really needs to be properly fixed.

Shadzilla

PvP they are alright, if you are a great player that knows how to play them. Like me. In PvE the suck a bag of donkey dix. Stamina in general is horrible in PvE. Nightblades are at the bottom of the barrel as far as dps is concerned. Combining stamina with the worst dps class = gg. Not sure why dks are meta tanks, templars are meta healers, sorcs are meta dps, nightblades are meta node farmers? Really quite ridiculous how nightblades do the worst damage in PvE. Stamblade is BIS at node farming for sure, other than that, better hope your great at PvP.

Sharee

Dead class, heh, i was playing a stamblade at game release without stamina morphs for skills, without vigor... kids these days

Sinkas

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam nb is fine in pvp.

Just build it right.

No, the class is dead when Morrowind comes out.

Integral1900

Mine seems to do just fine, granted i only pve so no idea pvp, basically it's a two handed sword with a bow, a wagon load of buffs, spec into max damage and crit, cloak and wallop, on the pts with crafted gear I've hit nearly 80'000 from stealth.

Granted, the Templar and sorcerer do better way batter aoe but against single target it's still a beast in pve, I find that I just need to treat it as an assassin not a big blunt instrument, the aoe execute on the two handed also help a lot in this regard but it takes a lot more practice and judgement than some other classes

Daemons_Bane

My stamblades will never die

Vaoh

In endgame PvE, Nightblades offer the least of any class. They are strong in vMA, but suck everywhere else.

In PvP, Stamblade will never be dead. Not even close. PvP is founded on burst damage, and Stamblade has plenty of it. The CP System changes will boost Stamblade burst damage by a lot as well (direct damage passive) even with the removal of extra damage from stealth. The very nature and ease of killing has permanently given Stamblade a seat on the top of the Cyrodiil populationm bard

Tommy_The_Gun

Erm NB as:

Vaoh wrote: »

the top of the Cyrodiil populationm bard

Well.... from my experience 90% of time I am killed by mag - sorcerer.... And isn't mag sorcerer the most popular and commonly met class in PvP ? ?

Brutusmax1mus

Brrrofski wrote: »

Things with stamblades in PvP, in the hands of a good player, they are VERY good. It's a class that requires a lot of practice, but it has such great potential.

I always find it funny when people say they are squishy. The spammable gives resistances and you have tool such as cloak and shade. Granted, cloak still fails occasionally, that really needs to be properly fixed.

I agree. My build had 24k of both resistances, a constant 8%damage reduction, 3200 health regen, 1800 Stam regen, 26k hp, 32k stamina, 3100 weapon damage, 48%crit, 2700crit res. When fully up and running. I'm not easy to bring down a not a stealth ganker at all. Stealth really allows you to reposition or get to where you need to such as dps in the back or healers.

It will likely change a lot next patch though we will see.

olsborg

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam nb is fine in pvp.

Just build it right.

Stamnb is not fine in pvp. It works, yes, but everything you do is much more challenging then on other classes unless you look at escaping, you cant kill anything using cloak and shadow image tho.

Stamnb need better heals, better defence and more ways to help their group with buffs etc.
Now soloing on a stamnb is fun, mostly because you have the ability to vanish and kite ppl with shadow(when that actually works). But in a straight up fight vs other classes you will have a much bigger challenge then your oponent due to your bad defence and bad healing.

Narvuntien

My DPS for my stamblade is 52740.... in one second.... with a single hit.
Sure it is halved against players ( 26K) but I will kill anyone not blocking or very defensively built.

If i don't lag out.... which I do everytime... :'( . PVP lag is so frustrating.

I am losing the damage from stealth I am concerned about but I am also getting extra damage from the new master arms CP.

I couldn't get into battlegrounds to test before the EU characters were loaded.

Valencer

Stamblades are more than fine on Live and I dont think theyre getting hit particularly hard with morrowind besides the siphoning attacks nerf (which only heavy armour stamblades really make use of afaik)

Talking PvP, of course

Galwylin

If there's a worse class than nightblade its either the warden or they haven't introduced it yet. I find the stamina to be well below magicka nightblades. Still, neither tops the other three classes. But the devs know what they're doing because they all play nightblades.

Wait. What?

Shadzilla

PvP they are alright, if you are a great player that knows how to play them. Like me. In PvE the suck a bag of donkey dix. Stamina in general is horrible in PvE. Nightblades are at the bottom of the barrel as far as dps is concerned. Combining stamina with the worst dps class = gg. Not sure why dks are meta tanks, templars are meta healers, sorcs are meta dps, nightblades are meta node farmers? Really quite ridiculous how nightblades do the worst damage in PvE. Stamblade is BIS at node farming for sure, other than that, better hope your great at PvP.

FrancisCrawford

Integral1900 wrote: »

Mine seems to do just fine, granted i only pve so no idea pvp, basically it's a two handed sword with a bow, a wagon load of buffs, spec into max damage and crit, cloak and wallop, on the pts with crafted gear I've hit nearly 80'000 from stealth.

Granted, the Templar and sorcerer do better way batter aoe but against single target it's still a beast in pve, I find that I just need to treat it as an assassin not a big blunt instrument, the aoe execute on the two handed also help a lot in this regard but it takes a lot more practice and judgement than some other classes

How do you do against world bosses and so on?

D0ntevenL1ft

olsborg wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam nb is fine in pvp.

Just build it right.

Stamnb is not fine in pvp. It works, yes, but everything you do is much more challenging then on other classes unless you look at escaping, you cant kill anything using cloak and shadow image tho.

Stamnb need better heals, better defence and more ways to help their group with buffs etc.
Now soloing on a stamnb is fun, mostly because you have the ability to vanish and kite ppl with shadow(when that actually works). But in a straight up fight vs other classes you will have a much bigger challenge then your oponent due to your bad defence and bad healing.

Ever hear of heavy armour in the heavy armour meta? Goes right back to what @leepalmer95 is saying; build your class right instead of focusing on complete and maximum damage with zero mitigation. A well built and played stamblade in pvp is completely fine.

KingJ

Vaoh wrote: »

In endgame PvE, Nightblades offer the least of any class. They are strong in vMA, but suck everywhere else.

In PvP, Stamblade will never be dead. Not even close. PvP is founded on burst damage, and Stamblade has plenty of it. The CP System changes will boost Stamblade burst damage by a lot as well (direct damage passive) even with the removal of extra damage from stealth. The very nature and ease of killing has permanently given Stamblade a seat on the top of the Cyrodiil populationm bard

@Vaoh you know Ironclad pretty much negates Master at arms right?53 or 56 points can't remember will give you a 20% reduction in damage.A Nb will be wasting CP putting 100 points into master at arms next patch he better off spreading it out.56 points in master at arms 43 points into mighty and the rest split between other cp perks like bless and precise.