lordrichter wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Would you continue playing? Probably not, if your casual, aspirant, or even a MMO veteran. The new guys will be hit the hardest. This will drive away people, so. Wait until opening day and watch the zone chat. It''ll be the best conesensus we can get.
This statement is something that bugs me a lot. I can certainly see changes causing problems in the veteran area, and people who are already pushing the best that they can do. These are the areas that ZOS needs to take a close look at.
However, I don't think that new guys are going to be hardest hit. New guys are not playing the content that is really going to feel the impact. New guys are doing delves, dolmens, overland monsters, and quest areas. They don't need fancy rotations, and don't have access to top of the line gear and food. New guys can do great things with 5k DPS. They are already dealing with chronic resource problems because they don't have what it takes to maintain them, yet. They are always running out of resource. It is part of being a new guy. You learn how to manage. You get good at worrying about resource management long before you are able to build your character so you don't have to.
So, I don't worry about the new guy. Not only do I think they will be fine, but I think they will develop combat skills that many of the current players simply don't have.
I worry about the people who are pushing the boundaries of their own personal player skills. I worry about the players who have been in the game for a while that can barely manage to live through a delve or dungeon, or who die frequently when doing world bosses and group dungeons. Maybe they can't crack MA, or some trial, no matter how hard they try. These people can be found across the whole game. They are at their level of incompetence, and can become dependent upon others to perform at the level that they are at. They are the ones that are going to be hardest hit, especially if the people they are dependent on cannot support them as easily. ZOS needs to see if there is something they can do for these players, if not directly, then indirectly through the people they are dependent upon.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »First it was the champion point cap. Then it was the cash shop. Then there was a pay wall. Then they made cp useless. On top of completely broken content. [snip] Mark my words morrowwind will kill the game. I'd say fix your game.. but there are already 500 locked thread saying that. You can't just ignore the issues and they go away. The players notice. And most of us who have half a brain are fed up [snip]. You're [snip] completely out of touch with your players. Instead of fixing content that has been broken for 3 YEARS you keep pumping out cash shop items. And putting in a paywall for a DLC? Really? [snip]
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Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
@Daemons_Bane
We have it now so obviously MMO servers can handle different types of real time combat.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »They can lock the thread. But the fact remains that most players know I'm right. And those who don't know it yet, will find out the hard way.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
@Daemons_Bane
We have it now so obviously MMO servers can handle different types of real time combat.
What part of ESO's combat system do you see as singpleplayer combat??
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
@Daemons_Bane
We have it now so obviously MMO servers can handle different types of real time combat.
What part of ESO's combat system do you see as singpleplayer combat??
Weapon attacks
Templar class skills
Sorc class dps
Nightblade class attacks
A lot of the basic is TES however they add in different effects limits and benefits and bundle in sets or CP and group bonuses which creates this MMO-like piece.
So if we removed half of the class skills and allowed skills to be learned and unlocked like TES with race limits and removed all classes it works.
Then you seperate effects in PvP from PvE and that simplifies so much that they're equating time on each update.
Daemons_Bane wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
@Daemons_Bane
We have it now so obviously MMO servers can handle different types of real time combat.
What part of ESO's combat system do you see as singpleplayer combat??
Weapon attacks
Templar class skills
Sorc class dps
Nightblade class attacks
A lot of the basic is TES however they add in different effects limits and benefits and bundle in sets or CP and group bonuses which creates this MMO-like piece.
So if we removed half of the class skills and allowed skills to be learned and unlocked like TES with race limits and removed all classes it works.
Then you seperate effects in PvP from PvE and that simplifies so much that they're equating time on each update.
Then you and I have a very different view on what's singleplayer I guess.. I my world, there is no skills to click in singleplayer.. You have to aim and direct the attack yourself.. No snotty autoaim to do it for you.. I would not say that the attacks and abilities in this game has anything to do with "classic" TES
SydneyGrey wrote: »I think a lot of people don't agree with you.
I was playing eso yesterday. Suddenly I caught the cancer and my life was ruined because I heard they were changing more things related to combat in future.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »First it was the champion point cap. Then it was the cash shop. Then there was a pay wall. Then they made cp useless. On top of completely broken content. [snip] Mark my words morrowwind will kill the game. I'd say fix your game.. but there are already 500 locked thread saying that. You can't just ignore the issues and they go away. The players notice. And most of us who have half a brain are fed up [snip]. You're [snip] completely out of touch with your players. Instead of fixing content that has been broken for 3 YEARS you keep pumping out cash shop items. And putting in a paywall for a DLC? Really? [snip]
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Daemons_Bane wrote: »You can't use single player combat in an mmo unfortunately
Nope, it's more like a trial separation from someone you used to love but has now had a complete change of personality and doesn't care if it hurts you. You keep watching from a distance hoping they'll go back to being their old selves but it just hurts to much to actually interact with them anymore.rotaugen454 wrote: »Uninstalling the game but continuing in the forums is like getting divorced and stalking your ex.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Having said that, when word of the sustain changes hit, more than a few people in endgame PVE guilds just left overnight. I couldn't give you an estimate, but really, think about something.
What I think is that it sounds like an overreaction. Considering that the patch wouldn't be hitting for a couple months (at that point), and that there would be who-knows-what alterations based on the beta - immediately going "OMG NO!" and bailing seems a bit extreme.
Why not... wait and see what happens? Why not... check out the PTS to see if altered builds work and/or provide good feedback?
Just a thought. But, then, I don't tend to get really worked-up about games. Of course, I'm not a bleeding-edge-type "progression" player. /shrug
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »First it was the champion point cap. Then it was the cash shop. Then there was a pay wall. Then they made cp useless. On top of completely broken content. [snip] Mark my words morrowwind will kill the game. I'd say fix your game.. but there are already 500 locked thread saying that. You can't just ignore the issues and they go away. The players notice. And most of us who have half a brain are fed up [snip]. You're [snip] completely out of touch with your players. Instead of fixing content that has been broken for 3 YEARS you keep pumping out cash shop items. And putting in a paywall for a DLC? Really? [snip]
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I disagree, the game is still very well designed and interesting and I like most changes. Definitely game is not ruined, you exaggerate. I feel they work hard on ESO, definitely harder than other developers. They just cannot satisfy everyone.
And the lore will defend itself no matter the changes. We just need to be flexible and learn to adapt to ever changing environment.
Jollygoodusername wrote: »ComboBreaker88 wrote: »First it was the champion point cap. Then it was the cash shop. Then there was a pay wall. Then they made cp useless. On top of completely broken content. [snip] Mark my words morrowwind will kill the game. I'd say fix your game.. but there are already 500 locked thread saying that. You can't just ignore the issues and they go away. The players notice. And most of us who have half a brain are fed up [snip]. You're [snip] completely out of touch with your players. Instead of fixing content that has been broken for 3 YEARS you keep pumping out cash shop items. And putting in a paywall for a DLC? Really? [snip]
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I disagree, the game is still very well designed and interesting and I like most changes. Definitely game is not ruined, you exaggerate. I feel they work hard on ESO, definitely harder than other developers. They just cannot satisfy everyone.
And the lore will defend itself no matter the changes. We just need to be flexible and learn to adapt to ever changing environment.
What? I have to disagree there. I've played more MMO's, FPS, ARPG's in the last 20 years than I care to admit. Many of those games were not money well spent. ESO has, in ALL of the games and I mean all of them, the least amount of patches released to fix bugs. Look at GGG for a prime example of being on top of your bug fixing game. They often have 3-4 patches a week to fix the most minor of bugs. ESO here has bugs left over from a year ago and some new ones that, from any sane dev team, would be considered class A severity/non progression bugs.
If what you say is true, then why are you here? Are you the one last holdout for the non-Fanboi brigade? Are you literally the only person on the forum who criticizes ZOS? Weird, 'cause I could have sworn I see people criticizing ZOS literally every single day. You must have many, many aliases on here. How many aliases do you have?ComboBreaker88 wrote: »... The only thing left on the forums are Fanbois who White Knight everything ZOS does.
ComboBreaker88 wrote: »They can lock the thread. But the fact remains that most players know I'm right. And those who don't know it yet, will find out the hard way.