ESO Morrowind Patch will be the best thing to happen to ESO.
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There are of course some issues that need tweaking but in the main the devs are taking the game in the right direction. It will help low CP players get into guilds and content they are now shut out from. Hard content should be hard. Tactics and skill should matter. Six months from now ESO will be going stronger and better than ever.
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Edited by [Deleted User] on May 3, 2017 7:34PM [Edit to remove minor bait]
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✭TastesAllColors wrote: »There are of course some issues that need tweaking but in the main the devs are taking the game in the right direction. It will help low CP players get into guilds and content they are now shut out from. Hard content should be hard. Tactics and skill should matter. The naysayers will eat their words. Six months from now ESO will be going stronger and better than ever.
Please explain how you have come to that conclusion.PS4 Pro NA12 -
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✭✭TastesAllColors wrote: »
lol, anyone can create guild and still stop u from joining.
I can create one and would not let in those not meet criteria.
CP change is not removing CP, one way into another powerful build will come out.
Your excuse for unable to join guild is never gonna addressed untill u work harder and take ur level up!Edited by Lord_Eomer on May 4, 2017 1:47PM3 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.7 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
You're delusional if you think the PVE only community can't and doesn't whine just as much.
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✭✭Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.28 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TastesAllColors wrote: »There are of course some issues that need tweaking but in the main the devs are taking the game in the right direction. It will help low CP players get into guilds and content they are now shut out from. Hard content should be hard. Tactics and skill should matter. The naysayers will eat their words. Six months from now ESO will be going stronger and better than ever.
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Your assumption is very likely to be very wrong. Raid groups are likely to increase their criteria.
Dps requirements will remain and demonstration if the ability to work with mechanics will get even more attention. If they could not meet the dps requirements before I doubt they'll meet them now.
The use of vMA scores will likely increase as a means to flush out prospective players. Not sure how many low CP players have cleared vMA though it can be done.Edited by idk on May 3, 2017 6:35PM19 -
TastesAllColors✭✭✭endgame elitist are the ones on uproar, while vast majority of playerbase is excited.
Yes, This is my assessment of the current patch notes. Games die when the player base feels the game is only for elite end game players and they vote with their feet. Moving on to other games of which there are always plenty.
Tastes-All-Colors is my main healer and I am looking forward to the changes. I have three templars. I like the changes. Going into PvP with Reactive and spamming BoL isn't my idea of PvP. Needing to position myself so everyone in the dungeon or trial gets my heals and thinking tactically will make them much more enjoyable for me. "What? You died because you stood in red behind me? Pay attention and get in front of your healer DPS!"
But my preferences aside, the vast majority of players don't spend hours and hours everyday in game. They have only a small window of time in which to have some fun. The upcoming patch will allow them to continue to have fun. Which will be good for the game in the long run.
BTW, Tastes pugs pledges as healer a lot. Welcome to my group. First time here? That's fine. I will teach you the mechanics and you *will* complete the pledge. It's not that hard and you're better than you think you are and we will try again and again and we will get it down. You're welcome. I love this game.Edited by TastesAllColors on May 3, 2017 6:35PM10 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
You're delusional if you think the PVE only community can't and doesn't whine just as much.
Yeah? Show me all the threads from PVE players calling for nerfs. I can show you thousands of threads from PVP players calling for nerfs over PVP issues.16 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
You're delusional if you think the PVE only community can't and doesn't whine just as much.
Isn't there some dungeon you could be running mindlessly for the 5000th time instead of bashing PvP players?
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✭✭itscompton wrote: »
Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
You're delusional if you think the PVE only community can't and doesn't whine just as much.
Isn't there some dungeon you could be running mindlessly for the 5000th time instead of bashing PvP players?
Hardly mindless, it's very well considered and entirely accurate.2 -
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✭Players are getting nerfed but the content is not. That means there will be even stricter barriers of entry next patch to "hard content".Make PC NA raiding great again!
Down with drama!
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TastesAllColors✭✭✭Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.
Meh.... You may be right. Or may not. It's just my opinion about a game people play for fun. We shall see. I think that a few months after the Morrowind patch the general assessment will be that it was good for the game.
It isn't a big deal.
People should relax.
It's just my opinion. See you all in game.
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✭OP must be PvP. These changes are great from that perspective, but that is only ONE perspective. My point of view as a mostly solo PvE player is that I now have no chance to grind vMA due to sustain (and I've actually tested on PTS). I'm glad you are happy, but PvP nerfs have killed the middle-level PvE player, and that should be considered when you speak for "the vast majority of players".Edited by Moloch1514 on May 3, 2017 6:44PMPC-NA13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.
Your likely correct since the top raid groups are top raid groups because they're able to adapt to changes in the game much faster. Tactics and builds are often a trickle down.
To dismiss your comment out of hand would be to look at the changes with blinders on. Dogma doesn't help anything.1 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
Well I hope you can understand that Zos wouldn't entirely rehaul a system due to PVP when there is something called battlespirit. Unless that went over their heads? These nerfs were meant for PVE as well, on ESO live they already stated the obvious when saying resources should matter..now heavy attacks into rotations are dull but you should reconsider just blaming PVPers when the reality is both. (Yes I loved how PVE was already but it seems Zos wants to make it more difficult, polarizing on their end not a PVP end).The Flyers1 -
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Yes, it was PVP players who literally went into Zos' HQ and forced them to change everything and wreck the game. lol? And I play pve only atm, if that was directed to me as well as all the rabid PVPers. @Betheny
The whining pitch from PVPers' voices is of such a magnitude it can reach ZOS ears from right across the country and over the oceans. All from the comfort of your little keyboards PVPers.
Well I hope you can understand that Zos wouldn't entirely rehaul a system due to PVP when there is something called battlespirit.
ZOS refuses to do that for the same reason many PVPers have brought up in outrage over that suggestion - [snip]
There's a direct quote from ZOS over this stating that around here somewhere. And loads of comments from PVPers stating that as the reason battle spirit cannot! be used to balance PVP separately from PVE.
So yes this is the fault of PVP.
[Edit for Baiting]Edited by ZOS_Bill on May 4, 2017 1:33PM7 -
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✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.
Your likely correct since the top raid groups are top raid groups because they're able to adapt to changes in the game much faster. Tactics and builds are often a trickle down.
To dismiss your comment out of hand would be to look at the changes with blinders on. Dogma doesn't help anything.
Quite right. "Top raid guilds," and even average raid guilds, already have people on PTS perfecting builds/rotations and practicing the new Trial.
The "elites" will have adapted long before Morrowind actually releases. People will log on the day of release with new builds and rotations ready to go, re-spec their CP, spend a few days farming new gear (if necessary), and be right back on track within the week.
IMO the sustain changes don't do anything at all to get lower CP or lower skill players into good guilds or hard content. The DPS requirements might change (say, a really good guild right now might require 40k DPS self-buffed on target skeleton, and 35k post-Morrowind) ... but the crossing the bridge from middle-tier DPS (in the 20-30k range now) to the upper-tier range will be even harder going forward.10 -
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LMAO, if anything the cp requirements will get worse IMO."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."9 -
LiquidPony wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.
Your likely correct since the top raid groups are top raid groups because they're able to adapt to changes in the game much faster. Tactics and builds are often a trickle down.
To dismiss your comment out of hand would be to look at the changes with blinders on. Dogma doesn't help anything.
The "elites" will have adapted long before Morrowind actually releases. People will log on the day of release with new builds and rotations ready to go, re-spec their CP, spend a few days farming new gear (if necessary), and be right back on track within the week.
they shouldn't have to spend the first few days to week of an expansion compensating for the massive *** on their parade a literal nuclear nerf will do to them.
Final fantasy 14 on the other hand, when IT's JUNE Expansion STORMBLOOD releases will NOT force you to waste the first few days you should spend in an expansion exploring and enjoying new content on just trying to make the game playable again. The only catch would be server stress, otherwise it should be fine.
moorowind on the other hand, we all know how monotonous games named morrowind are and how unfun their crappy combat is.
move to Final Fantasy 14 and get Stormblood
let zyngamax go frak themselves until they get their crap straight
perhaps if they themed their expansion after Oblivion i could have been suckered into letting them con me into letting them swindle me into letting them peddle me a preorder letting them have my money in exchange. But they themed it after the elder scrolls game I least enjoyed entirely because the combat was unbearable and awful. When combat is unbearable and awful, a game is unplayable for me. Therefore, both morrowind games are unplayable for me. Therefore they are garbage. zyngamax has not learned after 3 years of mistakes not counting betas how to do an mmo.
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✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Actually the ESO "Middle Class" will be the one's hurt the most by the CP and class changes. The so called "Elites" will just learn to adapt and be able to do their vMOL, vMA, etc. And if you think the respective guilds will lower their CP requirements, I think you are a bit disillusioned.
Your likely correct since the top raid groups are top raid groups because they're able to adapt to changes in the game much faster. Tactics and builds are often a trickle down.
To dismiss your comment out of hand would be to look at the changes with blinders on. Dogma doesn't help anything.
Quite right. "Top raid guilds," and even average raid guilds, already have people on PTS perfecting builds/rotations and practicing the new Trial.
The "elites" will have adapted long before Morrowind actually releases. People will log on the day of release with new builds and rotations ready to go, re-spec their CP, spend a few days farming new gear (if necessary), and be right back on track within the week.
IMO the sustain changes don't do anything at all to get lower CP or lower skill players into good guilds or hard content. The DPS requirements might change (say, a really good guild right now might require 40k DPS self-buffed on target skeleton, and 35k post-Morrowind) ... but the crossing the bridge from middle-tier DPS (in the 20-30k range now) to the upper-tier range will be even harder going forward.
Yes. However, that doesn't mean they will enjoy it. If the top players find that the changes take the fun out of the game they'll leave (not all of them).4 -
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Also this game will have a hard time recover if your predictions is that it will be strong in 6 months I think it will be worse off.Whitestakes Revenge
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✭✭✭✭✭like to see all these PVE'er enjoy their armor price hike where do you think all your necro sets and spinners/desert rose come from?
Also this game will have a hard time recover if your predictions is that it will be strong in 6 months I think it will be worse off.
Missed that last part.
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Hard content should be hard. How many vMoL clears do you have in HM and flawless in vMA? That's the question that needs answering so we can see where your coming from.4 -
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✭the naysayers are whining because those endgame elitist ****** think they are losing their edge from their small e pe*n which they regularly need stroked for. now if these major nerfes come tru, then ppl cant spam button like adhd rabbits and deal insane amount of dps. so. it will be cut from uberduber max of 80k down to something humanly like 40k. eh. giving too much credit, but you catch the point.
endgame elitist are the ones on uproar, while vast majority of playerbase is excited.
so. when ppl claim its end of eso, they just mean, its end of their massive e pe*n.
Everyone is being nerfed. The only difference is that the "elitists" will brush it off. But I guess it must be a good thing for ZOS that the "majority of the playerbase" is excited that the harder content will be further from their reach.
Most players will feel a challenge again and the fact they arent doing vTrials or HM trials will make the max dps changes null. The only people really going to feel it are those players.1
