The monster chests are so. damn. frustrating.

MrDenimChicken

It is frustrating having to roll the dice over, and over, and over, and over against to get the monster piece shoulder that you want, while also trying to get the monster piece shoulder in the armor type and trait that you want.

I just want to PVP in this game, but I can't get my item sets I want because of this RNG crap that Destiny did.

Just do what GW2 does if you want to show your playerbase that you respect them. To clarify, have the dungeons drop a certain currency, and if you accumulate enough currency, you can buy the item directly from some NPC.

I hope something like this would happen, but I feel like these developers are to greedy. They know the trick to getting money is tricking the players into playing for as long as possible in the grind loop. I'm pretty sure I'm not exaggerating here, because if I was wrong than there wouldn't be such a higher % chance of getting prosperous or training traits on monster set items from the chests.

VirtualElizabeth

Or they could just eliminate traits that are of no use to End game players. What CP 160 char needs training or prosperous? LOL.

AlnilamE

I'm not sure about Prosperous, but I am quite sure Training is actually used for people who want to farm CP.

OP, you can always just wait for the Golden to sell the shoulders you want.

Vapirko

1) The gold vendor in Cyro carries two monster set pieces for 200k AP each weekend. Even if you PvP just a little, 200k is not that much. It's relatively easy to rack up several times that much. Any piece bought with AP is guaranteed in impen trait so thats one of the few things I think the devs did will in this game. Giving us control over one aspect of the RNG even though the pieces carried by the vendor are random.

2) In PvP you can really have a few different traits be viable. So lets say you have all your armor in impen except the monster sets. THAT'S FINE. One or even two more impen pieces isnt going to make or break you unless your a min/max 1vX master. For most of us, between our lack of skill and the horrible lag/latency in Cyro, a few impen pieces isnt gonna make a different. Having 1 or 2 reinforced pieces is no big deal and can even be a good thing. Sturdy can be fine for a SB toon. Well fitted can be fine for certain characters. Hell I was playing with 1 pc training on my shoulder and honestly? Didnt notice the difference.

LadyLavina

I wouldn't be quite as annoyed by them if they were literally monsters and tried to bite my ****ing hand like a little Chihuahua every time i tried to loot them. That would be amusing.

MrDenimChicken

last 5 items from chest: prosperous, training, training, prosperous, training

like wtf? The chances of that are like, astronomically low, UNLESS they have those traits built into the system to drop at a higher %

LadyDestiny

We can craft training and prosperous. If you need those traits, you don't need end game gear seriously. Sick of every helm, shoulder and dungeon piece dropping with this.....You know zos just wants to keep you in the game. Thats why they created "Eso....farming and grinding on line, all day, every day". Soon to become "Eso....heavy attack, farming and grinding all day, every day online". Who actually has time to do anything else? Good luck farming fast runs to get drops after june......lol

Faulgor

Instead of introducing token currencies for every BOP item in the game, they should just add an option to re-trait (and re-style) every item through crafting. I can change my enchantments, why not my traits?
Re-traiting should require having researched both traits, and a catalyst from the master writ merchant. So I can take my Decisive Lightning Maelstrom Staff and make it Sharpened once I learned Decisive and Sharpened and have some Master Ducktape. Make crafting great again.

Thannazzar

I agree on training. However my 3 piece in Night Terror, and 4 piece baharas in prosperous is very handy for my nightblade on sacrament, heist and chest farming runs.

Tasear

Faulgor wrote: »

Instead of introducing token currencies for every BOP item in the game, they should just add an option to re-trait (and re-style) every item through crafting. I can change my enchantments, why not my traits?
Re-traiting should require having researched both traits, and a catalyst from the master writ merchant. So I can take my Decisive Lightning Maelstrom Staff and make it Sharpened once I learned Decisive and Sharpened and have some Master Ducktape. Make crafting great again.

doesn't even have to be easy, but if it was possible... we would love it. Maybe learn all 9 traits.

Ch4mpTW

If you think that the RNG boss of undaunted chests is tough, then just wait until you face his commander. The RNG boss of Maelstrom Arena. Be warned however, that many who have faced them ended-up ceasing their quest of acquiring their dream pieces. Myself included.

Runschei

Even tho the golden sells a random monster piece doesn't mean you should wait for her to sell that velidreth or kena that you need. Spend 100K gold and you'll get your piece in infused, 200K alliance points and you'll get impenetrable. For pve I'd still prefer divines over infused.

Titansteele

Faulgor wrote: »

Instead of introducing token currencies for every BOP item in the game, they should just add an option to re-trait (and re-style) every item through crafting. I can change my enchantments, why not my traits?
Re-traiting should require having researched both traits, and a catalyst from the master writ merchant. So I can take my Decisive Lightning Maelstrom Staff and make it Sharpened once I learned Decisive and Sharpened and have some Master Ducktape. Make crafting great again.

This I like!

Makes crafters even more popular!

Beardimus

Put the time into earning gold, wait for Golden to sell it, be patient. Works for me. Way easier / enjoyable.

Nidro

just bad the golden doesnt sell divines you smart guys.. lol

what i want with infused? ist not max dps ;-)

Turelus

Firstly this thread title made me think of old school D&D Mimics.

Second, they have said "they're looking into" a token system, so maybe in one of the updates this year we'll get a nice system to make this less frustrating.

Duiwel

I got x3 prosperous, x2 training, x1 well fitted and x1 sturdy last night on the one character ( I remember it in detail because of how disappointing it was)

Still waiting for my Grothdar, Velidreth, Kragh divines.
Pretty sure all I have in those 3 are impen or sturdy

Inquisitor_Wind

50 keys into dlc chest didnt get a single molag kena divine , its just stupid

Invoky

I have spent more than 500 keys and still haven't gotten the specific helmets I want. All the people on my friendlist are annoying by me asking to do Vet pledge everyday.

Gruffysb16_ESO

I think someone calculated there was a 0.0004% chance for you to get a divines piece of the better sets, like llambris. It sucks that Zenimax have to artificially force people to continue doing dungeons in order to get a chance for what they want.

I was lucky enough to get my shoulders about a month ago after 1062 keys used so its not like i'm moaning about it so they fix it for me. I still do the dungeons all the time though and I still think the loaded RNG system is utterly stupid.

Mordite

Actually, I love the idea of restyling and re-traiting items.

(1) Why go to the effort of putting all kinds of awesome-looking motifs into the game when you're going to be stuck with a dropped set that is unlikely to look good with it? If the dropped stuff could be restyled, it would let ALL of the game's artwork see some use. More style options are a good thing.

(2) Item restyling crafting tokens could be featured in the Crown Store in addition to drops or gold purchases, since they are in no way "Pay to Win." and would create more demand for dropped motifs. And I'd buy them over some of the ugly or goofy costumes that have been rolled out. Toxin Doctor? Really?

(3) As for re-traiting, I think this is a great idea. Sure, there may be an argument for the "Skinner Box" coming from the marketing types, but when a game becomes a chore, people find a different game. And when the RNG gets on a Training - Prosperous streak, which it does from time to time, the game becomes a chore.

As for pricing, I think that re-traiting should require some effort. Say about 10-25 Undaunted Keys per token to re-trait one item, be it a weapon, helm, or whatever. Retraiting jewelry might also be a thing since most item set jewelry only drops in one flavor (Robust, Arcane, Healthy).

In short, make the skinner box about collecting the motifs to make your dude look awesome, not about grinding a dungeon until your eyes bleed for the item you need to make your build work.

MrDenimChicken

Beardimus wrote: »

Put the time into earning gold, wait for Golden to sell it, be patient. Works for me. Way easier / enjoyable.

But this is what they want. The only other avenue to get the item piece you need is to wait WEEKS for the items to randomly be on sale. And if you make your consumers wait weeks to get one item, you prolong their play time significantly and increase your chances of getting more cash from the consumer.

Thus, you feel somewhat powerless to get the items you want. And if you aren't braindead, you catch on pretty soon what Zenimax's main objective is.

they might as well re-name the training trait to "screw you, keep playing, keep spending"

Vigarr

Last 2 keys, same 2 shoulders that I can't use on any character in the prosperous and training traits...awesome

PlagueSD

LadyLavina wrote: »

I wouldn't be quite as annoyed by them if they were literally monsters and tried to bite my ****ing hand like a little Chihuahua every time i tried to loot them. That would be amusing.

Marabornwingrion

Invoky wrote: »

I have spent more than 500 keys and still haven't gotten the specific helmets I want. All the people on my friendlist are annoying by me asking to do Vet pledge everyday.

Helmets doesn't drop from undaunted chests...

IcyDeadPeople

Agreed, would be nice if we got a second vendor based in IC sewers who sells 2 additional monster helm items every weekend for Tel Var stones.

Also I would add small chance of monster helms for top tier campaign rewards.

RT_Frank

AlnilamE wrote: »

I'm not sure about Prosperous, but I am quite sure Training is actually used for people who want to farm CP.

OP, you can always just wait for the Golden to sell the shoulders you want.

Because when I CP farm I desperately need to have my training illambris and training spellweave to farm skyreach instead of, oh I don't know, crafting any training gear!

Literally, traits like prosperous and training should be removed from end game content entirely, and training should only exist in crafted gear.

WhitePawPrints

Better to have a complete set than not right? Just keep rerolling until you get your desired trait then. I went through over a hundred keys to get a couple sets in traits I wanted, now I have hundreds of keys stacked up in my inventory.

Runschei

Prosperous kena

Bobby_V_Rockit

I got 4 Lord Warden shoulders yesterday... still waiting on that heavy Velidreth

akl77

Oh it can be good and can be bad, like I got my skoria heavy helm in divine in just 1 run. Shoulder however did took me several keys.