Here's proof that no "cost reduction" is immpossible..

Tankerbells

Setting it up to test it out was pretty easy- being that I've never spent CP points towards Magician or Warlord anyways (those points are better spent elsewhere).. Please notice how all CP point gains are at/or below the soon-to-be nerf threshold (~15%).. The point of the video- that living/playing without "cost reduction"- is not the end of the world. Forgive my bad gameplay- I just picked up staff yesterday and I'm normally just a tank who never dies (1h + shield, dual wield back bar). I only have force pulse and elemental blockade (and morphed) unlocked so far- for those who wonder. Rotation- lmao, there isnt one, being that I picked up staff yesterday. Only have it barred to return magicka back to me mainly.

https://youtu.be/0AiVESFZtWk

https://youtu.be/91r9jwVyVJY

I couldn't burn these world bosses down in an acceptable 30 second timeframe. There's nothing I hate more then not being able to burn thru 10min of game content in less then 90sec, grr. End of the world when most of everyone finally has to L2P, maybe learn a game mechanic or two, occasionally roll dodge once or twice.

Kay1

Another Mag DK who spam heavy attacks with a lightning staff.

They are so funny running around getting 3 shot

Kay1

double

MotokoKusanagi34

Lightning staff DK? Have mercy. Why are you running thaumaturge as a solo player?! Makes no sense, get two flame staffs and put your CP elsewhere. Are you stacking damage glyphs like a mad man? Put more into Regen / cost reduction. You also don't have a proper rotation.

Tankerbells

Kay1 wrote: »

Another Mag DK who spam heavy attacks with a lightning staff.

They are so funny running around getting 3 shot

Actually- I run the same build but with all points into health- and only have 15k magicka. Still no issues. Normal setup is 1h sword and shield on front bar- and dual wield back bar. Regardless of where my attribute points are put, and regardless of where my cp points are- results gonna be the same, dead world boss. Point of the video- No magician and no Warlord, doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

Tankerbells

MotokoKusanagi34 wrote: »

Lightning staff DK? Have mercy. Why are you running thaumaturge as a solo player?! Makes no sense, get two flame staffs and put your CP elsewhere. Are you stacking damage glyphs like a mad man? Put more into Regen / cost reduction. You also don't have a proper rotation.

I actually picked up the staff- yesterday, I'm usually just a standard dull-to-play tank. Stacking damage glpyhs? Oh yea- with my whopping 2k spell damage that I'm pumping out, totally stacking. Monster set is plain old Ilambris as well, clothes- martial knowledge,. Still- point of the video is about living without cost reduction- and how living without CP cost reduction is no big deal.

Katinas

You take 5 minutes to kill a boss and are proud of it with so poorly spent CP that you should be ashamed of and would rather seek guidance from those that actually have a clue of what they are doing.
You roll dodge over and over instead of avoiding standing in red, you don't keep up any dots to kill stuff faster. You might as well wear 3 medium, 2 heavy and 2 light, or reenchant your gear with green quality armor glyphs and increase physical resistance on jewelry glyphs, you would still look odd just like you do in this video.

OrphanHelgen

I don't see elemental drain, which reduce the spell ressistance by 5280 and applies minor magicka steal. Two of the most importent buffs / debuffs in the game totally ignored.

Anhedonie

You can kiss these flame lash procs goodbye if somebody else is using that morph too.
More people like that = more damage loss for group.

For solo play you can run around naked, it doesn't really matter.

TheHsN

yes exactly i want to say this... are u DK or Sorc... this game play is not about dk... and it is not FUN at all...

spaming light heavy attack....thats very very very boring gaöe play style....

that is my opinion

HuawaSepp

A wild DsorK appears

Izaki

Well, DUUUUUH, if all you do is heavy attacks of course you don't need Cost Reduction.

Is this game gonna turn into Heavy Attacks Online: Resources Unlimited?

PS: There's already talk of that happening for all stamina classes next patch, currently there are stam DKs already doing that. How far is this going to go?

theamazingx

No one is worried about how the patch will affect soloing world bosses with some niche DK build. They're worried about which dps curves they can still meet and how strategies dealing with mechanics will change, and the possibility of the new Warden outclassing all existing healer builds. They're considering how to minimize how much dps will be lost to compensate for the loss of sustain in a group environment. Actual class balance.

WillhelmBlack

The guy didn't use Weakness to Elements, his gear is crap, he's doing it wrong, his CP is wrong, he should kill himself etc etc.

Still breezes through it, looks fun to.

ParaNostram

It ain't impossible if I'm doing it just fine on all of my characters (not just my sorc who is only my main for RP reasons)

wimhwimladimf

Gz, with that dps you totaly gonna finish before enrage.

Dragath

nobody denies that spaming heavy attacks with a staff gives you magicka back and that 37k health is overkill and thats basically the only thing your video does show.
so i'm not sure you understand what the reason behind all these threads is.
you might want to ask a friend to explain it to you, or just watch a vid about it.
Gilliam made a good video, if you want to know whats going on.

ViciousBunnii

Thanks for this, I have tested this out-without the cp points- on my Magsorc. She has some great rotations (in my opinion) and set ups. All I had to do was add a heavy attack in between my rotations and everything was fine. And my DPS hardly took a hit, especially putting cp into the heavy/light attack passives. Having Elemental Drain did help, after it was morphed.

I totally get what OP is saying. It IS possible. Sure, OP doesn't have great rotation or whatever but seriously..learning to manage your resources instead of just standing there spamming abilities would be considered more skill, right? I personally don't like to mindlessly burn everything down. I like to think about what I am doing. Personally, I think that makes me a better player than I used to be.

Looks to me like OP is a tank? So I would think 37k health is good. XD You all crazy. lmao

RichD62

As usual idiots flame the OP without reading his post. A tank that conducted an experiment with a destro staff will not have the resources and rotation of a Mag staff user. All the comments about the skills he did not use and the rotation the toon did not have are 100% ignorant. Kind of like yelling at a pure Mag Sorc trying to tank using 1H and Shield about why he can't taunt well or maintain any blocking. The OP was demonstrating that some of the changes coming are very manageable, not trying to show off his skill as a staff user.

CaliCrippy714

Damn that was hard to watch. Elder heavy attack unlimited it is i guess

ashenb14_ESO

kissesandbunnies wrote: »

Thanks for this, I have tested this out-without the cp points- on my Magsorc. She has some great rotations (in my opinion) and set ups. All I had to do was add a heavy attack in between my rotations and everything was fine. And my DPS hardly took a hit, especially putting cp into the heavy/light attack passives. Having Elemental Drain did help, after it was morphed.

I totally get what OP is saying. It IS possible. Sure, OP doesn't have great rotation or whatever but seriously..learning to manage your resources instead of just standing there spamming abilities would be considered more skill, right? I personally don't like to mindlessly burn everything down. I like to think about what I am doing. Personally, I think that makes me a better player than I used to be.

Looks to me like OP is a tank? So I would think 37k health is good. XD You all crazy. lmao

your right, 10min fights with trash mobs would make this game alot more fun...hope they nerf everybody to the point that the game gets back to being like VR rank grinding solo....but at all levels...

ashenb14_ESO

RichD62 wrote: »

As usual idiots flame the OP without reading his post. A tank that conducted an experiment with a destro staff will not have the resources and rotation of a Mag staff user. All the comments about the skills he did not use and the rotation the toon did not have are 100% ignorant. Kind of like yelling at a pure Mag Sorc trying to tank using 1H and Shield about why he can't taunt well or maintain any blocking. The OP was demonstrating that some of the changes coming are very manageable, not trying to show off his skill as a staff user.

very managable, everybody just needs to use lighting and resto staff and they can have their regens back...kinda-sorta...

the slower combat is the more fun games are....nothings more fun the days/weeks of grinding to try and earn gear, that you could have farmed in a night normally...

you should try KalOnline....you would love it.

Zvorgin

RichD62 wrote: »

As usual idiots flame the OP without reading his post. A tank that conducted an experiment with a destro staff will not have the resources and rotation of a Mag staff user. All the comments about the skills he did not use and the rotation the toon did not have are 100% ignorant. Kind of like yelling at a pure Mag Sorc trying to tank using 1H and Shield about why he can't taunt well or maintain any blocking. The OP was demonstrating that some of the changes coming are very manageable, not trying to show off his skill as a staff user.

I think the point is more that he's showing something that is supposedly not broken but he's doing it completely outside of the right environment. The sustain changes are a nerf and will have a lot of impact on how the game is played. Just watch the gilliamtherogue video that has been posted and actually calculates and demonstrates the changes rather than some guy slapping a staff on a tank and calling it good. His OP was bad and doesn't prove anything other than tank builds shouldn't throw on a staff and queue up as dps.

DaveMoeDee

Am I misunderstanding, or does the thread title contradict the content of the OP?

Zvorgin

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Am I misunderstanding, or does the thread title contradict the content of the OP?

You are correct, at least they seem contradictory to me as well.

t3hdubzy

Did he just try to mirror natch potes on live? Rofl

MaxwellC

DKs have been Heavy attacking for their resources particularly stamina for a while now. This patch is going to kill me in PvP unless I run marksman and probably bone pirate. I won't be able to have the mediocre long sustain fights that I pull out of thin air anymore especially as a medium DK. They need to revert the changes and reduce the costs of our skills, it's too bloody expensive burning through over 50% magicka to keep a buff sustained is insane.