NDA partial lift - New Healer Meta

Tasear

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing



Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

IcyDeadPeople

Isn't barrier better than magma armor?

Tasear

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Isn't barrier better than magma armor?

It affects the entire group though. Also the healer may live through group wipe mechs as remember it limits incoming damage to user to 3% or something. Barriar is only 6 people including pets.

brandonv516

Currently running sorcerer healer and will continue to do so. Great burst, plenty of options for sets, great sustain (even without cp).

Tasear

brandonv516 wrote: »

Currently running sorcerer healer and will continue to do so. Great burst, plenty of options for sets, great sustain (even without cp).

Now you will orbs to give stamina to allies. Sorcerer healers is my favorite class. (I secretly think we are best healing class especially above the counter part pet healer warden)

ArchMikem

Where are these "partial lifts" coming from? Are you getting permission to say this? Or are you just saying that as an excuse to post.

Didgerion

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing

Warden not as OP as it seems on paper, there's already adjusting it's balance with major mending, zos does care. It's definetly a fun class, but it's definatly a jack all trades class. I say good for battlegrounds and off tank in trials. It's not a replacement for Templar healer. Sure maybe warden could go in trials as healer, but so could other four with equal cons and pros

Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Poor Templars.

DKs healers might become stronger healers than templars. At least DKs can reliably keep their mending up by shield stacking - Harness magica + Igneous Shield and here you go you have your major mending for 6 seconds.

IcyDeadPeople

ArchMikem wrote: »

Where are these "partial lifts" coming from? Are you getting permission to say this? Or are you just saying that as an excuse to post.

Permission was given to discuss changes to the existing classes.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

DKs better hope not!! Best healer, best tank... phear the bat.

Tasear

ArchMikem wrote: »

Where are these "partial lifts" coming from? Are you getting permission to say this? Or are you just saying that as an excuse to post.

It happened this afternoon actually you can see it in pts yourself. I noticed it when I was looking up the dragon knight changes.

t3hdubzy

ArchMikem wrote: »

Where are these "partial lifts" coming from? Are you getting permission to say this? Or are you just saying that as an excuse to post.

It was posted that there is a partial lift

Tasear

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Where are these "partial lifts" coming from? Are you getting permission to say this? Or are you just saying that as an excuse to post.

Permission was given to discuss changes to the existing classes.

Mostly cause the atmosphere was so drastically different between closed testing area and open forums. People are adjusting, they did well with this changes. It's alot to digest at once, but will make game more fun to play.

Tasear

Didgerion wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing

Warden not as OP as it seems on paper, there's already adjusting it's balance with major mending, zos does care. It's definetly a fun class, but it's definatly a jack all trades class. I say good for battlegrounds and off tank in trials. It's not a replacement for Templar healer. Sure maybe warden could go in trials as healer, but so could other four with equal cons and pros

Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Poor Templars.

DKs healers might become stronger healers than templars. At least DKs can reliably keep their mending up by shield stacking - Harness magica + Igneous Shield and here you go you have your major mending for 6 seconds.

Major mending isn't that great and they will still need all those resources to keep shields up. I suppose if it gets so bad they will nerf... but for now how many dragon knights healers are in game? They still don't have a burst heal so there's weakness.

The sensible templar healers aren't noticing much difference, the heals are weaker and everyone is suffering for substain so we need to find a sweet spot, but not really the changes are for the better. More healers are going to be in queue! More diverse gameplay!

casparian

Major mending isn't that great and they will still need all those resources to keep shields up. I suppose if it gets so bad they will nerf... but for now how many dragon knights healers are in game? They still don't have a burst heal so there's weakness.

The sensible templar healers aren't noticing much difference, the heals are weaker and everyone is suffering for substain so we need to find a sweet spot, but not really the changes are for the better. More healers are going to be in queue! More diverse gameplay!

I've been surprised at how little this has been said in the past few days. Major Mending is not the be-all-end-all of good endgame healing. If you're doing your job well (and by that I mean both healing well and sustaining well), it's not that necessary.

Dreyloch

Dk's healing...
ROFL I'm sorry, but I did NOT make my DK's for that purpose. One stam, one magicka, both are supposed to be DPS or tank. I'd rather leave the game then try to heal with them. If healing is your thing, then bless you! I appreciate it. I just don't see how DK's should in any world, be able to heal better than a Templar. Sorcs on the otherhand, that's a little different.I could see that well before DK's.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

This is why I unsubbed. The fact that the Templar, who has a specialized healing line is getting knocked off the top of the healer food chain is worthy enough of unsubbing.

A class which has a specialized healing line, while the others dont. Should excel in healing over the other classes. And that isn't all. The fact that orbs is now a universal shard that all classes can gain removes the unique flavor of the Templar making them not a top consideration anymore.

Any other argument stating otherwise is invalid.

t3hdubzy

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing



Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Did you try all of this out or are you speculating?

Tasear

Dreyloch wrote: »

Dk's healing...
ROFL I'm sorry, but I did NOT make my DK's for that purpose. One stam, one magicka, both are supposed to be DPS or tank. I'd rather leave the game then try to heal with them. If healing is your thing, then bless you! I appreciate it. I just don't see how DK's should in any world, be able to heal better than a Templar. Sorcs on the otherhand, that's a little different.I could see that well before DK's.

Thanks for the blessings... I think. Sorrecer healing is doing exceptional well especially in the new world. As a sorcerer healer myself, going to say they are doing exceptional well. Minor adjustments had to be made for substain, but really winning in endurance fights (as everyone adjusts) compared to other healers and some group utility that is hardly used maybe become more popular 10% regain of magicka and major beserk from storm annotach.

raj72616a

is this "new meta" abt healing dungeons or healing vet trial?

i'm not too worried abt dungeons. i'm just unhappy that vMOL is becoming even more out of my league when i try hard to git gud enough to get a clear.

Tasear

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing



Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Did you try all of this out or are you speculating?

It's actually information scrapped for other people's results. It's theortical information for most part though in regards to dk healer is information which is scarped from other people's theories, but a true dk healer vet trial healer didn't deny any of the claims. I got input from nightblade healer, dragon knight healer, and myself the sorcerer healer to make these claims.

But for reals, dragon knights have some serious potential that was previously overlooked. so if you get bored then I would try one out. They fixed some things for dragon knight.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

Do you have to aim your twilight heal?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Do you have to aim your twilight heal?

Now you did it.

Tasear

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Do you have to aim your twilight heal?

No, before they do that they would have to fix the UI issues that will go along with pet AI. Lets just say it's easy to use burst heal, but it's likely to die even when you need it most. Also takes a slot on each bar and forced to use class warding skill at min. So takes 3 to 4 slots.

STEVIL

raj72616a wrote: »

is this "new meta" abt healing dungeons or healing vet trial?

i'm not too worried abt dungeons. i'm just unhappy that vMOL is becoming even more out of my league when i try hard to git gud enough to get a clear.

Well, it is not unreasonable to expect that after a major DPS and healing tune down the leaderboard level PVE content will get a tune as well. maybe not day one but these changes are being done by ZOS to make the current sustain+maxdam dps levels not possible but make sustain -v-maxdam a trade off spectrum. I expect some of the DPS tests they have built into the leaderboard content will get adjustments.

Tasear

raj72616a wrote: »

is this "new meta" abt healing dungeons or healing vet trial?

i'm not too worried abt dungeons. i'm just unhappy that vMOL is becoming even more out of my league when i try hard to git gud enough to get a clear.

It does seem like there evil parent ruining our fun, but I tend to see they do have our best interests at heart @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . I feel like they truly want to make this game successful for years to come. ...just waiting for paint dyes and pants so I can never leave my eso home... sidetracked for a moment. I honestly believe they will take a look at previous content that required some dps burns. As to say it won't be just dps, but teamwork's and coordination that makes these things possible.

Just waiting for dps to finally use support sets! We will see green balls... someday....

raj72616a

leaderboard is out of my league, i am still progressing to try get a clear.

meta shift is one thing i don't mind.
but:
1. are the player characters (4 current classes) all weakened across the board?
2. will the difficulty of end game pve content (mob damage mob hp etc) be adjusted with the players new power level?

Tiitus

Tasear wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing

Warden not as OP as it seems on paper, there's already adjusting it's balance with major mending, zos does care. It's definetly a fun class, but it's definatly a jack all trades class. I say good for battlegrounds and off tank in trials. It's not a replacement for Templar healer. Sure maybe warden could go in trials as healer, but so could other four with equal cons and pros

Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Poor Templars.

DKs healers might become stronger healers than templars. At least DKs can reliably keep their mending up by shield stacking - Harness magica + Igneous Shield and here you go you have your major mending for 6 seconds.

Major mending isn't that great and they will still need all those resources to keep shields up. I suppose if it gets so bad they will nerf... but for now how many dragon knights healers are in game? They still don't have a burst heal so there's weakness.

The sensible templar healers aren't noticing much difference, the heals are weaker and everyone is suffering for substain so we need to find a sweet spot, but not really the changes are for the better. More healers are going to be in queue! More diverse gameplay!

more heals less tanks, stamina sustain was hit the hardest along with the dk nerfs = less tanks.

Tasear

raj72616a wrote: »

leaderboard is out of my league, i am still progressing to try get a clear.

meta shift is one thing i don't mind.
but:
1. are the player characters (4 current classes) all weakened across the board?
2. will the difficulty of end game pve content (mob damage mob hp etc) be adjusted with the players new power level?

The weakness in four man content isn't noticeable much if you make adjustments. First you better have undaunted command passive this restores 8% of max magicka, stamina, and health ever 20 secs (between 2 synergies). You will have to use orbs or shards. Might need a regain glyphs or reduce cost along with a resource enchant on weapon, but overall I personally feel and seen it's not much different for those people who work together well in teams in undaunted dungeons. .

Tasear

Tiitus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better.

There's already discussion on how to make dk healers... got to say might be there time to shine as mentioned in patch notes they fixed the healing skill of their's, only class with major mending though admittedly if they get hit it's gone, but still ease access. With sustain issues dk healers will have ingenous weapons and dps could slot new potions combinations. ( merchants this is your chance to make gold) They have group shield switch between bone shield which cost less since there class shield returns stamina. (They get a buff in stamina return as they already have low stamina). Imagine a magma amour on dk healers... you might never have complete wipes again. Sets they might use are the group shield sets along with maybe lamina song. Don't forget by using ult you regain back.

The nightblade healer seems to be suffering from cost the most, but still can pull off dps and healing the best. It's doing well with class based breech, majority viality and other things might make them excellent members for trials, and healer and off healer.

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing

Warden not as OP as it seems on paper, there's already adjusting it's balance with major mending, zos does care. It's definetly a fun class, but it's definatly a jack all trades class. I say good for battlegrounds and off tank in trials. It's not a replacement for Templar healer. Sure maybe warden could go in trials as healer, but so could other four with equal cons and pros

Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .


If I had to bet, best healing class might be dragon knight coming up

Poor Templars.

DKs healers might become stronger healers than templars. At least DKs can reliably keep their mending up by shield stacking - Harness magica + Igneous Shield and here you go you have your major mending for 6 seconds.

Major mending isn't that great and they will still need all those resources to keep shields up. I suppose if it gets so bad they will nerf... but for now how many dragon knights healers are in game? They still don't have a burst heal so there's weakness.

The sensible templar healers aren't noticing much difference, the heals are weaker and everyone is suffering for substain so we need to find a sweet spot, but not really the changes are for the better. More healers are going to be in queue! More diverse gameplay!

more heals less tanks, stamina sustain was hit the hardest along with the dk nerfs = less tanks.

Had some insight form others seems some people are looking into using frost staff for tanking on dragon knights. If you thinking about you hold aggro for a moment while you stick to frost staff and block. You lose magicka resource while you gain up stamina resource back then switch when needed and whala it works.

if that doesn't work for you this build will still likely work in morrowind.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/alanarres-invincible-dk-shieldtank/

maxjapank

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better...

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing



Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .

So why play a Templar? I mean if Sorc healers are so amazing. And they have the best resource management.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

maxjapank wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

There's some positive talk about new classes of healers... I know it sucks templars, but it was for the better...

Templar seems to be not fairing too bad. There's definitely some anger, but generally it's cooling down and people settle down and realize it's not much different. They still have more power burst healer than warden though less than sorrecer healer. They have very very important purtify and nova along with other skills. Seems like easiest class to use for healing



Sorcerer healers... we really are amazing. I defiantly out powered the scrub warden healers, mind they still don't know what they are doing, yet I am rooting for them for best pet healer. They have better access to minor intellect. (10% regain in magicka), can give major beserk to allies, large healing aoe that stuns area, minor prophecy, three bars options, ... and you know dark exchange. As it should be sorcerer healer has best resource management. .

So why play a Templar? I mean if Sorc healers are so amazing. And they have the best resource management.

There isn't one anymore