So what exactly makes Morrowind worth more than Orsiniun or other DLCs?

clocksstoppe

No, seriously. Compare Morrowind and Orsinium:

• Morrowind map size is not bigger than Orsinium.
• Morrowind has a trial, Orsinium has a solo trial.
• Orsinium has its own item sets, Morrowind has its own item sets.
• Orsinium has top tier crafting locations, Morrowind has crafting locations.
• Orsinium has world bosses that require coop, Morrowind has 12man duels duels.
• Morrowind has an underwhelming new class.

So how can you justify that I don't get this DLC with my sub? For me at least, you can't.

Faulgor

Orsinium was Chapter 0.

I think they wish they could go back and un-DLC it.

Majeure

The new pay to win class, Warden.

Obviously.

Turelus

I don't think it does really, but this is how ZOS wants to deliver the content.

I just hope they realise next years one has to delivery just as much stuff and they can't release just a zone with content and not give major new game systems if they plan to keep the same price point.

theher0not

Warden and battlegrounds probably.

Other than that I think it is a way for ZoS to make some extra money. (not saying it is a bad thing. Just that I am sure this is the main reason why morrowind is a chapter rather than a DLC)

Paradox

Nothing from what they've shown off justifies the price.

They just decided they could make easy money off of the Morrowind name.

yashualaydin

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

SydneyGrey

They've said that the map size IS bigger than Orsinium.
Plus the Warden.
They've also made a mini-game out of gathering parts to make a dmemer construct pet of some sort. (Not that big of a deal, but I thought I'd mention it.)
And Battlegrounds.
And new houses.

But I see what you're saying. Orsinium was called "DLC" and we're able to play it free with a sub, so why isn't Morrowind designated the same. They said in a previous ESO Live that the overall content of Morrowind is larger/more. Plus, they can't put a new character class in anything given out temporarily to people who subscribe, because then people will subscribe and use the new class, then scream their heads off when they let their subscription lapse and their character disappears. (And any house they had in Morrowind would disappear, too.) They had to either give the new class out free to even non-subscribers, or else make it paid content only. Personally, I think the Warden should have been a free update for everybody, but I can understand them wanting to profit from it.

Paradox

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

So, no reason to be excluded from ESO+. Glad we're all in agreement.

Aliyavana

I like morrowind for its nostalgic purposes but from a casual pve side, there is not a single dungeon in a expansion when it's standard in a mmo. There saving them for future dlc instead for extra money

Osteos

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

Arena is the original game and the reason many are here. Some Morrowind fanatics need to take of their rose colored blinders ☺

yashualaydin

Osteos wrote: »

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

Arena is the original game and the reason many are here. Some Morrowind fanatics need to take of their rose colored blinders ☺

I am talking about BIG BOOM. Arena and Daggerfall were good games and the base pf TES, of course, but MORROWIND was the first of the pre-Online TES generation: MORRO-BLI-RIM.

The public knew of Tamriel because of Azura.. That's the truth. Worry not, for she is (always) watchful.

Cadbury

Osteos wrote: »

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

Arena is the original game and the reason many are here. Some Morrowind fanatics need to take of their rose colored blinders ☺

Going slightly off-topic here, but I've noticed an amusing trend over the years. It seems like the Elder Scrolls fanbase shares a quirky commonalty with the Final Fantasy fandom. As in alot of back-and-forth claiming "Real TES fans started with Arena! Morrowind ruined the series!" or "Skyrim players are not real fans!". Much like how FF fans measure their devotion by which game in the series was their first.

Niaver

Faulgor wrote: »

Orsinium was Chapter 0.

I think they wish they could go back and un-DLC it.

Craglorn Chapter 1, Orsinium Chapter 2, Morrowind Chapter 3 (ESO 3.0).

P.S. Morrowind should have had at least two new group dungeons and it would be fine to call it an expansion (chapter in our case).

SydneyGrey

Cadbury wrote: »

....."Skyrim players are not real fans!"...

LOL. I once saw some idiots trash-talking about Skyrim fans as if they were feces smeared under their shoes. It's the dumbest thing in the world for them to say that Skyrim fans are not real Elder Scrolls fans, because a person can be a Skyrim fan and still be a Morrowind fan and an Oblivion fan (and etc.) at the same time. Just because Skyrim was their favorite in the series doesn't mean they didn't also like the games that came before it. It's just another form of elitism and the "I'm better than you" mentality.

Elsonso

Cadbury wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore...

Arena is the original game and the reason many are here. Some Morrowind fanatics need to take of their rose colored blinders ☺

Going slightly off-topic here, but I've noticed an amusing trend over the years. It seems like the Elder Scrolls fanbase shares a quirky commonalty with the Final Fantasy fandom. As in alot of back-and-forth claiming "Real TES fans started with Arena! Morrowind ruined the series!" or "Skyrim players are not real fans!". Much like how FF fans measure their devotion by which game in the series was their first.

Heh. Honestly, I don't even consider Arena to really be part of the series. Elder Scrolls really did not begin to form as a "thing" until Daggerfall. Arena was just the inspiration for it. For the record, I started with Morrowind.

As for the topic at hand, one of the things that needs to be decided is just how much more Morrowind delivers than Orsinium. Morrowind is more than just a zone, while that is really all that Orsinium was. To what degree, and how much of that is merely an exercise in organizing features, is yet to be determined.

Anyone with a glimmer of a real answer is under an NDA. Waiting is.

James-Wayne

Morrowind is WAY bigger then Orsinium. Under NDA so can't say much right now.

Zypheran

This topic probably belongs in the closed beta forum so that we could comment on our thoughts of the 'worth' of Morrowind vs Orsinium without breaking the NDA

nine9six

Osteos wrote: »

yashualaydin wrote: »

Morrowind was the first big boom of TES. Father of Oblivion and Grandfather of Skyrim. This expansion is not about Warden class, new places or more dunmer lore... It is about an Azura/Ashlander/Vivec-related storyline and the possibility of visiting Vvardenfell in the Second Era. All that will make us remember the original and eponimous game

Arena is the original game and the reason many are here. Some Morrowind fanatics need to take of their rose colored blinders ☺

Morrowind did more for the series than Arena and Daggerfall did, I think that's what he's getting at. I'd say I agree, not that I didn't enjoy the first 2 games.

EvilKiwi

Orsinium's main storyline was hands down far better than morrowind. Morrowind's main story was a major disappointment. I won't go into to much detail, don't want to spoil it for others, but I wish I had of waited for Morrowind to go on sale. Not worth the price I paid.

Legoless

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Plus, they can't put a new character class in anything given out temporarily to people who subscribe, because then people will subscribe and use the new class, then scream their heads off when they let their subscription lapse and their character disappears. (And any house they had in Morrowind would disappear, too.) They had to either give the new class out free to even non-subscribers, or else make it paid content only.

They totally could've allowed people to keep characters and houses. Items and rewards gained from DLC remain after your subscription lapses.

Tandor

Personal taste and choice.

If it's worth it to you, then buy it. If not, then don't.