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Advice to DK players out there

  • WillhelmBlack
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    Pahahaha!
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  • Banana
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    Maybe if we are all going to be force to heavy attack we should all switch to heavy armour?
  • Kova
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    Nerf sorc.
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  • Durham
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    Moglijuana wrote: »
    Hmmm, after some complaining about the changes, I think I'll actually be fine next patch. Figured out a build that doesn't need regen and still hits like a truck B)

    Just gota adapt man. It's going to be exciting seeing all the players who got carried by gear fail next patch lolol.

    #dk4lyfe

    Not excited here ... nerfs like this are never good for the game ...
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  • Beesting
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    Since day one? At day one and for a good while afterwards, DKs were melting people left and right in PvP I remember.

    Is this not what @Neighbor is famous for? I play on eu but seem to remember reading he got a lot of ap fast when the game was new
    Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
    Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
    Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build

    Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.
  • Cogo
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    @Beesting does it with Goblins!
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  • Beesting
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    Yes i am back after 14 months leave, i am leveling a third magica dk and have a lot to do before the world ends in june

    - vma for a 1:1000 change for a sharpened staff
    - Hardmode trials

    Luckely i have done vmol a few times and my dk was not bad so all is not bad
    When i came back i set myself the goal to spend all my hoarded gold because i know from previous patches that playing magica dk is an emotional affair with the constant nerfs lol
    Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
    Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
    Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build

    Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.
  • BuggeX
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    Pallio wrote: »
    Stam DK takes another beating, mDK sustain is getting WORSE. But, yeah play how you want and just have fun. LOL

    how do you have fun if you cant even kill noobs in pvp cause your class just sux hard?
    Edited by BuggeX on April 19, 2017 3:45PM
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    #givemeaexecute
    #ineedheal
    #betterhotfixgrindspots
  • Dragath
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    if these changes make it to live without reducing the overall magicka costs for mdks and compensating stam dks in a way, i propose a name change for DKs.
    Just rename the class to Drain Knights, it's more accurate.
    (some humor here, take it with a grain of salt)
  • GDOFWR420
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    Moglijuana wrote: »
    Hmmm, after some complaining about the changes, I think I'll actually be fine next patch. Figured out a build that doesn't need regen and still hits like a truck B)

    Just gota adapt man. It's going to be exciting seeing all the players who got carried by gear fail next patch lolol.

    #dk4lyfe

    Your right. DK's have always overcome the dreaded zos patch's. I think we will be fine. I hope :#
  • Stamden
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    Beesting wrote: »
    Since day one? At day one and for a good while afterwards, DKs were melting people left and right in PvP I remember.

    Is this not what @Neighbor is famous for? I play on eu but seem to remember reading he got a lot of ap fast when the game was new

    Yes. Indeed DKs were absolute monsters when the game first released. Then, gradually over time, they just kept nerfing us over and over again. Eventually this just became the worst class in the game.

    The real problem is, this class was setup with Dynamic Ult gen in mind. With how much slower you get ult back, our resource management was a fraction of what it once was, and we got left with skills that cost 4k+ magika. Add this to the endless amounts of nerfs, things like the removal of inferno, AoE caps, wings not reflecting anything anymore, etc. This list goes on and on until eventually you get what we have now.
    Edited by Stamden on April 19, 2017 4:54PM
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  • Quantum_V
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  • TheStealthDude
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    What's interesting is that the DK changes makes Hybrid DK a little bit better now, which is something I like experimenting with.
  • Durham
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    GDOFWR420 wrote: »
    Moglijuana wrote: »
    Hmmm, after some complaining about the changes, I think I'll actually be fine next patch. Figured out a build that doesn't need regen and still hits like a truck B)

    Just gota adapt man. It's going to be exciting seeing all the players who got carried by gear fail next patch lolol.

    #dk4lyfe

    Your right. DK's have always overcome the dreaded zos patch's. I think we will be fine. I hope :#

    -Not stamina DKs pvp is broke
    -PVE DK tanks will be ok
    -MAGICKA DKs will be ok in PvE, but in PVP this is going to hurt some but its the meta nerf that will hurt them...

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  • Durham
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    What's interesting is that the DK changes makes Hybrid DK a little bit better now, which is something I like experimenting with.

    Stam Sorc tanks are superiour hybrid support tanks compared to DK in PVP...
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  • ZoM_Head
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    Vosital wrote: »
    No amount of feedback on the forums is going to change Zenimax's opinon on DKs. They have hated this class since day one, and will continue to obliterate the class until is entirely unplayable (which is will be after Morrowind).

    DO NOT force them to let you reroll to a Warden or Sorc. They do not care if you do this. The only thing they care about is $$$. Once you buy the DLC, they could not give less of a damn about you.

    The only power you have, as a player, is to not buy their expansion and to stop giving them money. That is the only thing that is going to cause them to change their ways.

    I disagree, with the first part.

    Paul Sage loved the class since day 1, the mDk was very well balanced. The combination of dynamic ulti and stupid people spamming projectiles while the mDK stands there relfecting everything auto triggerd the "omg DKs are OP", no one used their heads to actually stop using projectiles instead.

    Every since imperial city update kicked in and Eric Wroebl took over, the mDk got the most nerfs in terms of skills since then (ulti cost, damage, dodge change, heals etc).

    It took zenimax over 14 months to fix a basic heal for the mDK, and quite frankly they are "happy" with the current state, actually the general state of the mDK since then.

    I will not be re-rerolling any character really, i just gave up completely what Zenimax thinks the mDK needs, it is so clear that they do not invest enough time on the mDK in vMSA, Cyrodiil (light, heavy setups), burst, mobility etc. So whatever, im not moving out of the mDK, but i also gave up completely on the devs to actually give a dime about it.
    Edited by ZoM_Head on April 19, 2017 8:04PM
    mDKs still need a lot of love!
  • TheStealthDude
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    Durham wrote: »
    What's interesting is that the DK changes makes Hybrid DK a little bit better now, which is something I like experimenting with.

    Stam Sorc tanks are superiour hybrid support tanks compared to DK in PVP...

    I don't play hybrid as a support tank and I wouldn't really care which class is "superior" if I did. I play DK because I like the class. I like experimenting with different off-the-wall builds to see what I can make work. Doesn't have to be the be-all-end-all build, but just has to satisfy my personal goals.

    So the problem I found, due to how the CP system is currently set up and due to the high DK skill costs, is that I was having problems with sustain on my hybrid DPS & PVP build. The DK passive changes end up helping my stamina recovery and not hurting my magicka recovery, while the CP changes mean I can be on a more level playing field, as far as resource management is concerned, with pure stamina or magicka builds.
  • Durham
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    So do they have a marketing department? Why would they create chaos and straight up anger from the streamers to about 65 to70% of the population... Bad form and bad business ... Things like this really hurt the game...
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  • Vosital
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    Durham wrote: »
    So do they have a marketing department? Why would they create chaos and straight up anger from the streamers to about 65 to70% of the population... Bad form and bad business ... Things like this really hurt the game...

    So few people actually play DK I don't think they care at all. At least half the the game is just Mag Sorc mains are just laughing their asses off right now. The rest of the game is either going to reroll to Mag Sorc, Mag Warden, or just quit.
  • parkham
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    I still love playing my first character, a Nord DK (I suppose because I came from Skyrim). I have crap gear but still have fun and am useful with guildies. Dungeons, and world boss runs still makes him viable.

    I think if I was at the top of the game, I might be mad about the changes coming - I mean is it going to make it worse for less than terrible players like me that already have sustain issues as it is?
    Edited by parkham on April 20, 2017 1:51PM

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  • Stamden
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    parkham wrote: »
    I still love playing my first character, a Nord DK (I suppose because I came from Skyrim). I have crap gear but still have fun and am useful with guildies. Dungeons, and world boss runs still makes him viable.

    I think if I was at the top of the game, I might be mad about the changes coming - I mean is it going to make it worse for less than terrible players like me that already have sustain issues as it is?

    Yep, it will get much worse no matter where you fall on the spectrum. Resource management will be even more impossible and they removed Major Mending.
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    ~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~
  • parkham
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    I'm getting on the PTS this week and will try to do some testing for myself as well. I would encourage everyone to do the same for each character they actively play.

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  • Durham
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    I'm on the Test Server .... Trying to make the old meta work .. Guys sword and shield in PVP is rough unless your are running the ulti.... They over did it .. in PVP we are always getting hit multiple times within a sec...... sooo...
    -50% cost to blocking increase
    -42% return in armor
    -60% loss when you factor in all the DK stam return
    -50% increase in costs vigor when you factor in champ point changes
    -major mending is gone it will last maybe 2 secs in most cases... your vigor is weaker also your rally is for those precious seconds that we lost

    I have made a template with 2100k recovery.. with about 35k stam ... your stamina will disappear with in secounds if you block.. 10 secs you will have no stam...


    Edited by Durham on April 20, 2017 6:13PM
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  • Vosital
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    This thread is more relevant than ever. Remember DKs, the devs do not give any amount of *** about your complaints and feedback. The only power you have is the power to not give them a dime until they stop butchering your class.

    Don't buy this dumb expansion, crowns, or ESO+, and then maybe one of the executives at Zenimax will visit the dev team and slap them across the face for being so arrogant.
  • reiverx
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    Vosital wrote: »
    This thread is more relevant than ever. Remember DKs, the devs do not give any amount of *** about your complaints and feedback. The only power you have is the power to not give them a dime until they stop butchering your class.

    Don't buy this dumb expansion, crowns, or ESO+, and then maybe one of the executives at Zenimax will visit the dev team and slap them across the face for being so arrogant.

    Agreed. I've decided against buying Morrowind. No point in continuing with my subscription I guess.

    Damn shame it's came to this.
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    DK now only brings minor brutality to groups.
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  • Trashkan
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    I roll only dks and I really don't care about this sustain argument because it is across the board on sustain. So your telling me you are so selfish that you suggest I don't buy the dlc because of your problems. Na I like playing scrolls and am looking forward to new content and new challenges so I will be buying the new doc like a lot of people because we only care about our own problems and not your dps numbers.
  • DocFrost72
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    Zvorgin wrote: »
    I'll play my DK til I quit. DK or done.

    Respect.
  • melloni_aleb16_ESO
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    Zvorgin wrote: »
    I'll play my DK til I quit. DK or done.

    /Respect

    ...i tested on PTS ( many duels ) stamina DK , my opinion is about PvP because In PvE (maelstrom i don't know ) nerf is manageable.
    First of all It's difficult to give opinions with duels ; in PvP you have more enemies to hit you anyway you can make an idea About how sustain and resistance are .. .

    Losing that in medium (at least 5 pieces) it is too weak , then testing numerous heavy builds I cannot say that for me it is unplayable , all classes , all builds are playable but what matters is what you can do.

    the changes to the class DK ( I'm talking about the stamina version) , the changes to stamina skill/passive/races have canceled all the peculiarities of the stam DK .


    As many say " to adapt " , it's wrong ; sDK is weak without major mending active (bBecause how it has been modified now is a useless skill ), very low sustain ( also with 2 glyph of red stamina cost ) and the heavy nerf to many passive make it extremely boring.


    Seeing duel sDk on PTS was a heavy attack spam .
    Certainly some " builds or things "of the sDK were going to re-balanced , but this wasn't a rebalancing, modifications were made by DEVs that make no sense

    I don't want to adapt if the changes for me don't make sense , every major update they change all
    These aren't the things that give life to a mmorpg ...If they have not yet understand it and now they ....understand it


    I think after 3 years of eso plus and many purchases from the store i May have the right to say that they are ridiculous about how they handle everything

    sorry for a wall of text :)
    Edited by melloni_aleb16_ESO on May 9, 2017 7:23PM
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  • DragonBound
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    I don't think i'd ever reroll as a warden. It feels too...WoW or like some other MMO. All the nature crap, furry animals and bright effects irk me. I already hate the cat mounts and people riding bears and stuff, the Warden seems like the most cartoonish of all the classes IMO. Sorc is fine...but I like running a magDK with destro staffs and sword/shield combo.

    Honestly people will adapt.. the most important thing is that they give us a free respec the day the patch goes live. And discounts the gold costs to respec for the following month. If they don't do that.. then yeah...screw em.

    These changes are going to affect everyone regardless of who buys the expansion or not. I personally plan on buying it for PvE and a return to my favorite location in Tamriel. I doubt any of these changes are going to affect me enjoying the exploration of Vvardenfell.

    Have you not played other elder scrolls games? Nature magic has been a part of elder scrolls for a long time along with animals and even sprigans and what you may call druids. Even skyrim has nature dragon shouts.
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