Excited about the Nerfs

Rainwhisper

I appear to be in the minority, but I am excited about the "nerfs."

Making unlimited sustain of skill spamming impossible strikes me as a great way to:

1. Make the game feel more like a roleplaying game than an FPS, since resource management has always been at the heart of RPG's.

2. Make a wider variety of builds viable, since builds won't start with the assumption of optimum sustain.

That feels like an improvement to me.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Rainwhisper wrote: »

I appear to be in the minority, but I am excited about the "nerfs."

Making unlimited sustain of skill spamming impossible strikes me as a great way to:

1. Make the game feel more like a roleplaying game than an FPS, since resource management has always been at the heart of RPG's.

2. Make a wider variety of builds viable, since builds won't start with the assumption of optimum sustain.

That feels like an improvement to me.

Who let you in here without a pitchfork?!?! How dare you not conform with the knee-jerk group think!!! Burn him!!!!!!

Actually, I agree with you. Stuff like this keeps the game interesting.

MoeCoastie

I'm excited

Blackfyre20

I pretty much agree with all the positives you listed. Unfortunately the sustain nerfs affect different classes differently, and there are other controversial balance changes as well.

GreenSoup2HoT

Agree'd. I'm actually excited to fight a Dragon Knight now. Knowing that if i break your shield i can make a dent on your health and possibly run them out of resources is a breathe of fresh air. I haven't played in a long time since i took a break but not once had i fought someone in cryodill and won due to lack of resources. Its usually just broken amount of burst on my nightblade where i just global someone with one combo.

Infinite sustain was a big issue. Red Guard, BattleRoar and Helping hands being a major contributor. Siphoning attacks also being one of them as well. I think the only thing that was not addressed was Dark Deal. It should cost the caster resources if interrupted in my opinion.

I may come back to ESO. Things dont look all that bad.

SilverWF

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Actually, I agree with you. Stuff like this keeps the game interesting.

Totally agree with ya bruh!
I have much more interesting things!
"Deadly snipe" passive, avialible in the Bow passive skills, 30 bucks in the Crown store, increases damage of the Snipe in 10 times.
or
"Godly Regeneration" - Resto staff skill line, 30 bucks too, makes regeneration 10 times stronger

I promise, the game would be interesting as it never been before!

Crafts_Many_Boxes

Conceptually, it's a mixed bag. I've only ever played MMOs where the optimum builds have infinite sustain while using abilities every gcd, so I'm still getting used to this kind of combat to begin with.

What does bother me is the issue of balance and tuning. Everyone's dps going down due to these changes is fine, even if it doesn't quite affect every class equally. They can adjust, that's fine. What isn't fine is that, from what I understand, endgame content DOES, in fact, have enrage timers and dps checks. These checks have been built upon levels of dps that are no longer easily attainable, especially for new players like me. That's my issue.

If player X had to put Y amount of skill / effort into completing something like VMA (which as I understand is one of the only ways to get "good" endgame weapons), and I now have to put in Y+Z skill / effort because suddenly the dps ceiling is lower and they haven't changed the content at all, yeah I'd be angry.

I think the developers need to come out and say they intend to nerf endgame content accordingly. That's the only way I won't feel like I'm getting ripped off here.

EldritchPenguin

Being someone who mains a Dragonknight, I am deeply, deeply concerned. I think I'll be okay in PvP, but in PvE? I might have to fundamentally remake my build, only to end up with lower overall DPS and unable to complete content that I was previously able to complete. I was hoping to approach a point where I could really do stuff like vMA and SOTH dungeons, but that's looking like the fever dream of a madman if these changes go live.

Rainwhisper

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

What isn't fine is that, from what I understand, endgame content DOES, in fact, have enrage timers and dps checks. These checks have been built upon levels of dps that are no longer easily attainable, especially for new players like me. That's my issue.

That's an excellent point. I hope they scale those encounters accordingly.

kongkim

Rainwhisper wrote: »

I appear to be in the minority, but I am excited about the "nerfs."

Making unlimited sustain of skill spamming impossible strikes me as a great way to:

1. Make the game feel more like a roleplaying game than an FPS, since resource management has always been at the heart of RPG's.

2. Make a wider variety of builds viable, since builds won't start with the assumption of optimum sustain.

That feels like an improvement to me.

Dammit can't you see the sky is falling
But im in same boat. This patch is okay by me.

Pallio

Keep that can do spirit, it makes everything seem better.

RebornV3x

I guess if you want even more people to leave and ESO be even worse then yeah it will be a great patch

Oreyn_Bearclaw

From a PVP standpoint, I agree 100%. Being able to spec for max sustain and max damage is not good for balance and makes fights painfully long and repetitive. In PVP, sustain is just as important if not more impartant than damage. If you can wear out the other guys resources before yours run out, even if your damage is low, you probably win the fight.

PVE is a totally different animal. You will never run a boss out of resources, the battle of sustain vs sustain is really not relevant. We care about max damage and enough sustain to maintain our rotation. Along the way, different classes and different patches have had to make various sacrifices to sustain their rotation. Spell symmetry was a staple of rotations at one point. Templars run channeled focus, NBs run siphoning, healers wear worm and throw shards and bubbles, etc.

The problem with these nerfs in PVE is that they have gone so far overboard with nerfing sustain that the normal things we do to help our sustain likely arent going to be enough. I am worried that basically every PVE build is going to morph into a heavy attack build.

Kodrac

The armor nerf and the repentance nerf were unexpected but I'm fine with them shifting away from stat stacking. I don't like DPS races. Makes hard content trivial and when you can run vet dungeons without a tank or healer you know the game is unbalanced.

Furniture

All mmos go through these phases, it's a never ending cycle. Some people don't get it, or refuse to.

sneakymitchell

I agree but I would like a small buff in damage with heavy armor passive wrath. Like getting 1000 crit for stacking it 20 times so it would be 50 crit. I don't like it when ZOS goes back to dark brotherhood before heavy armor sucks with resource management but now heavy armor does damage but not really close to the damage to medium and light armor. I want heavy armor being 15% to 25% close to medium armor or light armor. But we will see on PTS with DPS videos and see if the resource management changes the gameplay.

Mettaricana

Love this dlc only gripe is lack of adjust to the dps burn and resources needed for vma

alephthiago

Rainwhisper wrote: »

I appear to be in the minority, but I am excited about the "nerfs."

Making unlimited sustain of skill spamming impossible strikes me as a great way to:

1. Make the game feel more like a roleplaying game than an FPS, since resource management has always been at the heart of RPG's.

2. Make a wider variety of builds viable, since builds won't start with the assumption of optimum sustain.

That feels like an improvement to me.

I had the same feeling as you until i got to the part talking about classes, the only class that i have any interest in playing (even being an underdog) got gutted in the only thing it had going for it and no improvements or solutions to its problems.
So yeah, not feeling so great, was barely playing these last 2 weeks, only logging in for writs and checking sales.