ESO: The Benjamin Button MMO

Shadeaux

Play ESO, the MMO where you get weaker over time. Login today to see how weak your hero has become. Simply ridiculous...

OrphanHelgen

I have been saying this for more then half a year now actually. Balance a game is fine if it is competive. But eso is not competive enough for these balances. Leaderboards and rankings doesn't matter as much as in other games. A way to give progression feeling, is to come with new and challenging content as well as give your characters more power through the game experience. This way, players who previously could not beat the challenge content, will have a better chance with time.

So far, increase hp in monsters and constant nerfs, doesn't give a nice progression feeling.

RebornV3x

Yep also every patch we get crazy nerfs that effectively make us even weaker.

Kay1

Right? It's the first game I see that I get weaker every patch.

andreasranasen

LOL. So true! Amen!

Sneaky-Snurr

Shadeaux wrote: »

Play ESO, the MMO where you get weaker over time. Login today to see how weak your hero has become. Simply ridiculous...

@Shadeaux
Forgive me for going offtopic but isn't that what happens in real life too? Does that mean we're in real life too???

Kay1

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Shadeaux wrote: »

Play ESO, the MMO where you get weaker over time. Login today to see how weak your hero has become. Simply ridiculous...

@Shadeaux
Forgive me for going offtopic but isn't that what happens in real life too? Does that mean we're in real life too???

This guy got it.

I think they want ESO to be more realistic

SydneyGrey

They're making my main character weaker.
Not happy.
Instead of nerfing people, they should just buff the classes/skills that need to be buffed. That way everybody is happy.

code65536

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I have been saying this for more then half a year now actually. Balance a game is fine if it is competive. But eso is not competive enough for these balances. Leaderboards and rankings doesn't matter as much as in other games. A way to give progression feeling, is to come with new and challenging content as well as give your characters more power through the game experience. This way, players who previously could not beat the challenge content, will have a better chance with time.

So far, increase hp in monsters and constant nerfs, doesn't give a nice progression feeling.

Just imagine the vMA QQ threads after the patch.

Power creep isn't necessarily a bad thing. It means that many people, over time, can complete older content that was previously out of their reach.

And this affects people at the top, too. We have new content to learn and master, and that is what is interesting to us. Making existing content that we've run literally hundreds of times harder doesn't make us want to play them more--in contrast, having content that we used to have on farm suddenly increase in difficulty is a great nuisance.

SublimeSparo

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I have been saying this for more then half a year now actually. Balance a game is fine if it is competive. But eso is not competive enough for these balances. Leaderboards and rankings doesn't matter as much as in other games. A way to give progression feeling, is to come with new and challenging content as well as give your characters more power through the game experience. This way, players who previously could not beat the challenge content, will have a better chance with time.

So far, increase hp in monsters and constant nerfs, doesn't give a nice progression feeling.

You need to update your signature to
"Less and less reasons to not go back to league of legends"
On the plus side heavy attack builds will be for the most part unaffected by the changes.

I tested that 5p sunderflame 5p tfs 2p veli heavy attack build, still need to gold some bits and level undaunted an get caltrops but its hitting 34.1k self buffed at the moment, with my awful rotation, so not too shabby, the sunderflame with 2 precise daggers seems to out dps vo with sharo dagger and axe by a couple of k
It's the first stam build where i need ele drain up to test properly lol, foo and molten uses up mag pretty quickly when trying to keep minor brutality up without buff trackers

stevepdodson_ESO888

Kay1 wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Shadeaux wrote: »

Play ESO, the MMO where you get weaker over time. Login today to see how weak your hero has become. Simply ridiculous...

@Shadeaux
Forgive me for going offtopic but isn't that what happens in real life too? Does that mean we're in real life too???

This guy got it.

I think they want ESO to be more realistic

well the game has become a chore, more like work...grind, grind, grind.... very little reward and a whole lotta butthurt

zaria

code65536 wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I have been saying this for more then half a year now actually. Balance a game is fine if it is competive. But eso is not competive enough for these balances. Leaderboards and rankings doesn't matter as much as in other games. A way to give progression feeling, is to come with new and challenging content as well as give your characters more power through the game experience. This way, players who previously could not beat the challenge content, will have a better chance with time.

So far, increase hp in monsters and constant nerfs, doesn't give a nice progression feeling.

Just imagine the vMA QQ threads after the patch.

Power creep isn't necessarily a bad thing. It means that many people, over time, can complete older content that was previously out of their reach.

And this affects people at the top, too. We have new content to learn and master, and that is what is interesting to us. Making existing content that we've run literally hundreds of times harder doesn't make us want to play them more--in contrast, having content that we used to have on farm suddenly increase in difficulty is a great nuisance.

This, you want an low level power creep in PvE, same way you want an low level inflation in economic, the opposite is far worse in both setting. nerf abilities and sets who is clearly OP compared to the rest.
Else solution is to add more content on the top.
They should added a couple of dungeons with Morrowind, another option would be to add an extra difficulty level on dungeons.

Asardes

Well, it's not quite "Benjamin Button" but rather a "mid life crisis" type of progression. People start out strong at low levels, then scaling catches up to them in the mid 40s and pushes them hardest when they are between CP10-200, then they start getting stronger and stronger until they hit the cap. Power creep is actually bad in this game, and makes content boring and obsolete save for gear farming quite fast, which is not good for its health in the long run. Once people start beating content so hard they actually skip mechanics, it all becomes a stack and burn by mashing the buttons as fast as you can type of game where tactics and group roles especially are less relevant.

I don't main DD, but mostly tank, and even in that regard there's a lot I need to change in order to be competitive, both in terms of gear and play style. And for tanks resource management is much harder than for other roles, and the coming patch mostly boils down to that. But far from whining by opening QQ threads I will move adapt and move on. I don't despair over the coming chances, but understand I will have to update my build. That's a good thing because I like challenges and I enjoy the constant pressure to improve myself, which I've been doing from day one. This is actually my 1st MMO and I had to learn everything from scratch. Learning in games is good, just like IRL, since if you are not constantly learning, it probably means that the Grim Reaper is just around the corner.

Godeko

Play mag scorc
You will only get stronger

Epicasballs

code65536 wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

I have been saying this for more then half a year now actually. Balance a game is fine if it is competive. But eso is not competive enough for these balances. Leaderboards and rankings doesn't matter as much as in other games. A way to give progression feeling, is to come with new and challenging content as well as give your characters more power through the game experience. This way, players who previously could not beat the challenge content, will have a better chance with time.

So far, increase hp in monsters and constant nerfs, doesn't give a nice progression feeling.

Just imagine the vMA QQ threads after the patch.

Power creep isn't necessarily a bad thing. It means that many people, over time, can complete older content that was previously out of their reach.

And this affects people at the top, too. We have new content to learn and master, and that is what is interesting to us. Making existing content that we've run literally hundreds of times harder doesn't make us want to play them more--in contrast, having content that we used to have on farm suddenly increase in difficulty is a great nuisance.

Yes! I have ran VMA 100's and 100's of times and still don't have a sharp inferno... if these changes make a once mindless farm into a nuisance I'll quit. Or they can address RNG somehow.

Dantaria

Asardes wrote: »

But far from whining by opening QQ threads I will move adapt and move on. I don't despair over the coming chances, but understand I will have to update my build. That's a good thing because I like challenges and I enjoy the constant pressure to improve myself, which I've been doing from day one. This is actually my 1st MMO and I had to learn everything from scratch. Learning in games is good, just like IRL, since if you are not constantly learning, it probably means that the Grim Reaper is just around the corner.

You know... I do agree with the sentiment. But not with the source of it.

Even in real life - let's get philosophical for a second here - we improve a) just for the sake of improvement; b) because we face harder challenges. When you start doing something - working, drawing, writing, playing football - even the simplest things are hard. But then you learn, get some practice and you get better. And you do not play with your buddies anymore (well, not all the time), you go to local - and then even international - competitions. You start writing more deep and interesting books and get well-deserved recognition. Etc, etc, etc.

Even in real life, suddenly waking up blind is not viewed like "oh well, I have a reason to get better now, thanks, God". Well. Not by sane people, at least. Suddenly waking up blind is a tradegy. As is Alzheimer's disease, losing a hand... Pretty much everything that - not by our own fault - makes us weaker. These things should be treated and if they can't be... Well, you resign. But it is, again, a tradegy. Not a challenge and not a reason for heroism.

And being okay with being forced into waking up blind over and over and over again is, imo, not healthy.

It's good that people "whine". It's good that people disagree and voice that disagreement. I honestly would be very concerned, if they didn't.