Argument for Warden's Corrupting Pollen ability applying Minor Defile instead of Major.

NightbladeMechanics

Corrupting Pollen
– Summon a field of flowers which blooms after 6 seconds, healing 6 targets in the area with an 8-meter radius and 28-meter range.
Only 1 field may be active at a time.
Afflict enemies who enter the field with Major Defile, reducing healing received by 37% for 4 seconds.
Allies may activate the synergy to heal over 5 seconds.

A non-ult aoe applying Major Defile will crowd out magicka DKs from PvP group builds. Why use Standard when you can use this ability?

Having the Corrupting Pollen ability afflict Minor Defile would create synergy with mDKs by giving groups access to all three heal debuffs (Fasalla's + Major + Minor Defile) to apply in aoe at will. Right now, we do not have reliable access to Minor Defile.

I don't intend for this poll to comment on the balance of the ability itself, aoe Major Defile being on a non-ult ability, or anything else. I intend for this poll to comment solely on the synergy between the Warden and DK's kits, and Corrupting Pollen potentially crowding out mDKs from PvP groups.

SnubbS

MagDK is almost useless in group-play already. Would rather see it get buffs than the Warden get nerfs.

For example: Shifting Standard: Ability no longer can be re-cast, instead the AoE now follows you

Wing

Change it to Minor Defile. Why play mDK instead of another class if it keeps the major debuff?

SnubbS wrote: »

For example: Shifting Standard: Ability no longer can be re-cast, instead the AoE now follows you

that would be both glorious and bring about a tidal wave of tears. . .that would also be glorious. spam some talons in that baby for extra salt. . .sounds great.

Rex-Umbra

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

KingJ

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

It depends not much reason to use Magdk now just use a sorc encase and negate is a better combo than talon standard. Not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure encase also cheaper than talons.

Stamden

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

SnubbS wrote: »

MagDK is almost useless in group-play already. Would rather see it get buffs than the Warden get nerfs.

For example: Shifting Standard: Ability no longer can be re-cast, instead the AoE now follows you

Seriously, there is no point to compare anything to mDKs or take them into consideration for balancing. It is a dead class. I've been a DK main since beta and even I have given up on them.

FerrumnCutem

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

NightbladeMechanics

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

LEAPS!!!

I'd still like to see some sources of Minor Defile in the game, though.

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

This poll isn't commenting on the balance of the skill itself, just its interaction with DKs. There will be zero reason to run a Standard in group if Corrupting Pollen goes through with Major Defile. Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now, with that and talons being the primary reasons to run DKs in groups. Leap being made undodgeable is a big help, though.

WalksonGraves

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

So... fasalla's guile?

Juhasow

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

LEAPS!!!

I'd still like to see some sources of Minor Defile in the game, though.

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

This poll isn't commenting on the balance of the skill itself, just its interaction with DKs. There will be zero reason to run a Standard in group if Corrupting Pollen goes through with Major Defile. Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now, with that and talons being the primary reasons to run DKs in groups. Leap being made undodgeable is a big help, though.

Poisons apply minor defile and diseas dmg have a chance to apply status effect which is minor defile also.

IxSTALKERxI

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now,

Dark flare is a 5m AoE Major Defile. :P But yeah, standard is still better at applying it, i'm just being a smarty pants.

NightbladeMechanics

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So... fasalla's guile?

That can be worn by anyone...including a Warden! :

Juhasow wrote: »

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

LEAPS!!!

I'd still like to see some sources of Minor Defile in the game, though.

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

This poll isn't commenting on the balance of the skill itself, just its interaction with DKs. There will be zero reason to run a Standard in group if Corrupting Pollen goes through with Major Defile. Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now, with that and talons being the primary reasons to run DKs in groups. Leap being made undodgeable is a big help, though.

Poisons apply minor defile and diseas dmg have a chance to apply status effect which is minor defile also.

I should have specified AOE sources. I was talking about AOE healing debuffs in the context of Standard and Fasalla's.

ArchMikem

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

I don't understand. DK Standard is a mainly DPS Ult isn't it? This AoE ability is Healing and Debuff, no damage.

Blairy087

Pvp Pvp Pvp Pvp. No wonder pve is @#$&ed. Cant we just let warden drop before we all want to change it?

Draxys

Change it to Minor Defile. Why play mDK instead of another class if it keeps the major debuff?

Should be changed, but I think that's the point tbh. Why use DK when you can pay us $40 for a better one?

arkansas_ESO

IMO I'd rather see Warden get an AOE Major Defile and sorc lose Encase so that magic DK keeps their role as root spammer. At the moment it's pretty hard to justify bringing magic DK to group fights.

Blairy087 wrote: »

Pvp Pvp Pvp Pvp. No wonder pve is @#$&ed. Cant we just let warden drop before we all want to change it?

Where else does Defile come into play but PVP? It's not like you've got tanks in trials running Fasalla's Guille. They could completely remove the Defile bonus and you wouldn't even notice in PVE.

Tonturri

Change it to Minor Defile. Why play mDK instead of another class if it keeps the major debuff?

Assuming that DK will get no changes otherwise - yes, I agree. However, I also think that DK still has some issues that, if/when fixed, would make the problem this thread brings up...not an issue.

Furthermore, I dislike just downgrading the buff from Major to Minor. I'd rather they do something imaginative in it - while in the AoE, stores all healing that didn't happen (heal for 100, debuff reduces to 70, store 30). When effect ends, apply all stored healing.

Or a burst of AoE damage to enemies still in the circle based on healing negated. Something like that. It's called Corrupting Pollen, after all.

Juhasow

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So... fasalla's guile?

That can be worn by anyone...including a Warden! :

Juhasow wrote: »

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NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

LEAPS!!!

I'd still like to see some sources of Minor Defile in the game, though.

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

This poll isn't commenting on the balance of the skill itself, just its interaction with DKs. There will be zero reason to run a Standard in group if Corrupting Pollen goes through with Major Defile. Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now, with that and talons being the primary reasons to run DKs in groups. Leap being made undodgeable is a big help, though.

Poisons apply minor defile and diseas dmg have a chance to apply status effect which is minor defile also.

I should have specified AOE sources. I was talking about AOE healing debuffs in the context of Standard and Fasalla's.

Power extraction morph on nb deals AoE disease dmg so it have 5 or 10% chance to apply minor defile.

NightbladeMechanics

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't understand. DK Standard is a mainly DPS Ult isn't it? This AoE ability is Healing and Debuff, no damage.

Uhhh no.

Blairy087 wrote: »

Pvp Pvp Pvp Pvp. No wonder pve is @#$&ed. Cant we just let warden drop before we all want to change it?

Uhhh no.

Juhasow wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So... fasalla's guile?

That can be worn by anyone...including a Warden! :

Juhasow wrote: »

.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

LEAPS!!!

I'd still like to see some sources of Minor Defile in the game, though.

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Please just wait untill the release of Morrowind before asking for any warden changes.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Not voting because it's too early and we need to see how balanced it is in action.

This poll isn't commenting on the balance of the skill itself, just its interaction with DKs. There will be zero reason to run a Standard in group if Corrupting Pollen goes through with Major Defile. Standard has been the only aoe source of Major Defile until now, with that and talons being the primary reasons to run DKs in groups. Leap being made undodgeable is a big help, though.

Poisons apply minor defile and diseas dmg have a chance to apply status effect which is minor defile also.

I should have specified AOE sources. I was talking about AOE healing debuffs in the context of Standard and Fasalla's.

Power extraction morph on nb deals AoE disease dmg so it have 5 or 10% chance to apply minor defile.

Uhhhhhhh lol? The day Power Extraction is usable will be a good day.

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

IMO I'd rather see Warden get an AOE Major Defile and sorc lose Encase so that magic DK keeps their role as root spammer. At the moment it's pretty hard to justify bringing magic DK to group fights.

Now we're talking!

ku5h

Change it to Minor Defile. Why play mDK instead of another class if it keeps the major debuff?

They need to make Warden OP so tryhards are forced to buy Morrowind. ZoS sale tactic 101.

Joy_Division

I'm not sure.

I thought that DK standard has been terrible inefficient for a long time and that DKs were better off using another ultimate. Enough that I wouldn't want to see any game mechanics changed before they are tested out because of it.

Asgari

Change it to Minor Defile. Why play mDK instead of another class if it keeps the major debuff?

At this point seeing what other current classes bring to the table and what warden will bring there is no real reason for any pvp raid to bring a DK. The warden will offer better utility and what looks like the same dmg out put. On top of all of that the healing the warden will bring combined with mag plars I can't see any real reason to have more than 1 DK in a group.

Iyas

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

Heal is too strong

Lynx7386

Did anyone actually read the ability description? It has a 6 second delay from the time you cast before it does any debuff or healing.

Who in pvp sits in one place for 6 seconds?

alexkdd99

Keep Major Defile. Standard will still be useful, or there are plenty of other reasons to use mDKs. LEAPS!

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

IMO I'd rather see Warden get an AOE Major Defile and sorc lose Encase so that magic DK keeps their role as root spammer. At the moment it's pretty hard to justify bringing magic DK to group fights.

Blairy087 wrote: »

Pvp Pvp Pvp Pvp. No wonder pve is @#$&ed. Cant we just let warden drop before we all want to change it?

Where else does Defile come into play but PVP? It's not like you've got tanks in trials running Fasalla's Guille. They could completely remove the Defile bonus and you wouldn't even notice in PVE.

Nerfing 1 class for no other reason but to make another more appealing is not a good reason to nerf. Especially not to just completely get rid of the skill.

People talk about zos not listening to forum suggestions, but as far as class Balance goes I am glad they don't listen.