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The real problem of no auction house -- low level players suffer
Why do I say low level players suffer?
Because if you are lower then level 50 you quickly identify this problem when trying to buy from the trading guilds:
(1) There is usually only a very limited selection available for lower level players
(2) The prices are usually complete rip-offs for lower level items. A piece of level 35 armor is often 700-900 gold (for example). That is silly - you will find items questing or in dungeons that will take much less time to acquire than if you earn that amount of gold in game and buy the piece.
Reality -- the trading guilds focus on the level 50 purple gear. The material you look for below level 50 in the trading guilds is either not there (or rarely there), or when it is there, is ridiculously overpriced.
Will ESO ever resolve this? No. There will never be an auction house in this game. So suck it up until you hit level 50. Sorry.
The good news, such as it is, is once you hit level 50 and look for purple gear in the trading guilds you will often find it. Of course, by then, you won't need it (except for rare items).
Because if you are lower then level 50 you quickly identify this problem when trying to buy from the trading guilds:
(1) There is usually only a very limited selection available for lower level players
(2) The prices are usually complete rip-offs for lower level items. A piece of level 35 armor is often 700-900 gold (for example). That is silly - you will find items questing or in dungeons that will take much less time to acquire than if you earn that amount of gold in game and buy the piece.
Reality -- the trading guilds focus on the level 50 purple gear. The material you look for below level 50 in the trading guilds is either not there (or rarely there), or when it is there, is ridiculously overpriced.
Will ESO ever resolve this? No. There will never be an auction house in this game. So suck it up until you hit level 50. Sorry.
The good news, such as it is, is once you hit level 50 and look for purple gear in the trading guilds you will often find it. Of course, by then, you won't need it (except for rare items).
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Shadow_Viper_vX✭✭✭✭✭If there will never be an auction house(which I agree with, love the current system), then why create this thread?
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✭BellatorMortalis wrote: »Why do I say low level players suffer?
Because if you are lower then level 50 you quickly identify this problem when trying to buy from the trading guilds:
(1) There is usually only a very limited selection available for lower level players
(2) The prices are usually complete rip-offs for lower level items. A piece of level 35 armor is often 700-900 gold (for example). That is silly - you will find items questing or in dungeons that will take much less time to acquire than if you earn that amount of gold in game and buy the piece.
Reality -- the trading guilds focus on the level 50 purple gear. The material you look for below level 50 in the trading guilds is either not there (or rarely there), or when it is there, is ridiculously overpriced.
Will ESO ever resolve this? No. There will never be an auction house in this game. So suck it up until you hit level 50. Sorry.
The good news, such as it is, is once you hit level 50 and look for purple gear in the trading guilds you will often find it. Of course, by then, you won't need it (except for rare items).
Why do you think you won't need to buy max level gear? All overland gear and PvP gear is tradable. Weapons go for several hundred thousands sometimes if they are sharpened and meta.
Also, 700 gold is honestly a pitiful amount. I can kill 10 or fewer mobs and get that much gold worth of vendor trash.
If gear is more easily obtainable on the ground (which I agree it is), why are you worried about trying buy gear? If you want a set piece, it is easy to craft gear. If you aren't into crafting, lots of people are you can ask around.Make PC NA raiding great again!
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✭Idea: start a global auction house for non max level characters and only allow gear to be sold in it so it doesn't affect sales of other items in trade guild stores. Call it "Cadwell's Communal Junk Bin" and place Cadwell in every city so that people can interact.1 -
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✭✭In my opinion, players are better off just using the gear drops from quests, npc's, chests, delves, etc until they reach level 50. This is what I do for lower level characters.
I am running a low level dk. Put lower level weapons & armor up for sale, at far from ridiculous pricing on the three trade guilds I am part of. Guess what, none sold. All the items expired.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)3 -
>> Also, 700 gold is honestly a pitiful amount. I can kill 10 or fewer mobs and get that much gold worth of vendor trash.
Please note -- my comment relates to beginning players. For them 700 g is a lot. A typical beginner player at level 35 maybe has 10K gold.
The point is -- lack of auction house impacts new players. Obviously anyone playing for 2+ months doesn't care. Go back and read original post3 -
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✭BellatorMortalis wrote: »Why do I say low level players suffer?
Because if you are lower then level 50 you quickly identify this problem when trying to buy from the trading guilds:
(1) There is usually only a very limited selection available for lower level players
(2) The prices are usually complete rip-offs for lower level items. A piece of level 35 armor is often 700-900 gold (for example). That is silly - you will find items questing or in dungeons that will take much less time to acquire than if you earn that amount of gold in game and buy the piece.
Reality -- the trading guilds focus on the level 50 purple gear. The material you look for below level 50 in the trading guilds is either not there (or rarely there), or when it is there, is ridiculously overpriced.
Will ESO ever resolve this? No. There will never be an auction house in this game. So suck it up until you hit level 50. Sorry.
The good news, such as it is, is once you hit level 50 and look for purple gear in the trading guilds you will often find it. Of course, by then, you won't need it (except for rare items).
Well a piece of CP160 armor is often 7000-9000 if it's a good set.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭That's not the AH system fault, even if it was an AH you wouldn't find much low level stuff because levelling is so fast in this game and gear isn't important until C160.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭In a auction house with limited offering slots people wouldnt offer low level gear all of a sudden.3 -
Entegre✭✭✭Currently below cp160 levels are pointless, leveling is piece of cake right now and being a low level is just a handicap. Leveling is poorly implemented in eso that is why you see no low level items in any store.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BellatorMortalis wrote: »Why do I say low level players suffer?
Because if you are lower then level 50 you quickly identify this problem when trying to buy from the trading guilds:
(1) There is usually only a very limited selection available for lower level players
(2) The prices are usually complete rip-offs for lower level items. A piece of level 35 armor is often 700-900 gold (for example). That is silly - you will find items questing or in dungeons that will take much less time to acquire than if you earn that amount of gold in game and buy the piece.
Reality -- the trading guilds focus on the level 50 purple gear. The material you look for below level 50 in the trading guilds is either not there (or rarely there), or when it is there, is ridiculously overpriced.
Will ESO ever resolve this? No. There will never be an auction house in this game. So suck it up until you hit level 50. Sorry.
The good news, such as it is, is once you hit level 50 and look for purple gear in the trading guilds you will often find it. Of course, by then, you won't need it (except for rare items).
Low level player can join a guild of other low level players(up to 5) and use the standard guild trading system (not the kiosks) to trade items with his guildmates. The selection will match the needs of new players, as will the pricing.
Or he can join a guild of high level players but one that supports low level new members, for example by crafting them equipment for free (just bring the mats). I have crafted armor like this several times for newbies myself.
But really, the best solution for new players is to simply craft the items they need for themselves. They will always have the equipment they need, and as a bonus have crafting maxed when they reach endgame.Edited by Sharee on March 26, 2017 8:02AM2 -
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✭How this is Auction House problem? This game is just designed so badly, all items should be for all players.1 -
Auction House == Amazon.com
Guild Traders == Ma and Pa stores in multiple rural country towns.
In the end that is what it is.0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭It is a bit annoying, but it's not just reaching 50, you have to hit cp160 as well. I have horrible luck with jewelry, and was stuck with a level 42 necklace until cp100. Nothing at the guild vendors. However, if there is no market, there is no need to create one. Why post things for small amounts of gold if they are not going to sell 90% of the time anyway.
While leveling, you really don't need to even think about buying gear. Just do random dungeons, and quests. The only real important thing is weapons, and green drops regularly become upgrades while leveling. You could also craft gear. Spend some time on the other aspects of the game, and really immerse yourself on at least one character.0 -
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Well my government is always saying we should do more for local independent stores rather than shopping online, so I am just taking their advice.BellatorMortalis wrote: »Auction House == Amazon.com
Guild Traders == Ma and Pa stores in multiple rural country towns.
In the end that is what it is.
Sadly Bellator I don't think you're going to come up with any radical new arguments which haven't been debated since beta. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages.
Most of the issues with the current system could be alleviated by having a global search feature and UI that isn't actively working against the player.
The guild trader concept works well, it's just poorly implemented and ZOS has never gone back to give it an iteration because it's working good enough.
As for your specific issue, just equip any at level training gear you find and you should do fine for questing. If you're trying to do dungeons/PvP and want sets for low level ask someone to craft something for you. As no one farms low level good sets any way as you level so fast.
You would probably end up having a piece for every teir by the time you farmed a full low level set.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭You state that your problem is that low level players can't buy low level gear because it's expensive and then immediately negate that point with the solution that it's cheaper and faster to just do a quest to get a piece of gear?
I only learned how the trading system works in this game when I got to cp160. I simply didn't need it before then.
Now I'm not against getting an auction house (I'm a sucker for convenience) but the points you are trying to make are largely inaccurate in terms of reasoning.Kiss the chaos.2 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭I sell less than 500g lowbie set pieces often in my guild trader.Kiki Dickson ~~~ Dixmanian Devil ~~~ Cornelius Buckshank Jr.
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✭✭✭✭✭BellatorMortalis wrote: »Auction House == Amazon.com
Guild Traders == Ma and Pa stores in multiple rural country towns.
In the end that is what it is.
Yes, and ancient Tamriel does not have electricity or the internet... so 'stores in multiple rural towns' makes a LOT more sense in the game than having an 'Amazon' Auction house.CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭BellatorMortalis wrote: »Please note -- my comment relates to beginning players. For them 700 g is a lot. A typical beginner player at level 35 maybe has 10K gold.
New player here. Level 36 and I have about 48k gold.0 -
Urza1234✭✭✭✭https://tamrieltradecentre.com/
whoops how did that get there?
What exactly does a lowbie buy from a guild trader anyway?0 -
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✭Why would you need to buy low-level gear?
Join a newbie-friendly, social guild. In those guild there are always kind people that'll craft you basic armour for levelling or w.e.
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wolfdoggie_ESO✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Look! Another auction house thread!
I'm looking. What meow?0 -
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✭Low level players should just go with crafted sets because they're much easier to obtain than searching any player store. Players can use gear for many levels beyond their gear, but it will still be replaced eventually so why spend gold on a dropped set?
Honestly the weakest argument I've seen for a global AH.1
