Hush, I have zero points in Warlord already.

bg22

Seriously...

0 points into warlord as it is now, and I have absolutely no issues maintaining resources.

It'll be ok. You might have to do some thinking, use food, and potions... but it'll be ok.

The game isn't going to break.

Shhhh, it's okay. Shhhhh.

Fishoscandi

Not everyone is a nightblade... That's one of the reasons people are mad.

Nifty2g

take off seducers and vicious ophidian

Ulfgarde

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

Korah_Eaglecry

bg22 wrote: »

Seriously...

0 points into warlord as it is now, and I have absolutely no issues maintaining resources.

It'll be ok. You might have to do some thinking, use food, and potions... but it'll be ok.

The game isn't going to break.

Shhhh, it's okay. Shhhhh.

Yes because your 1 character applies to every character out there in the game. This is the "I have a sandwich so you cant be starving" argument. And its a fallacy.

Draxys

You're right, it isn't going to break, because they already broke it a long time ago.

spectre303

for some people change = forum rage and panic

Vigarr

spectre303 wrote: »

for some people change = forum rage and panic

I normally would agree here but this change will really suck for me as I have no recovery on any of my equipment nor do the sets I use have recovery and I play solo most of the time.

Another thing that pisses me off is that these cp passives are some of the only univerally beneficial ones...the others are tailored to specific builds/classes.

bg22

I'm a StamPlar.

I run Spriggans, and Clever Alch. 7/7 medium.

In other words... everyone's assumptions were wrong. lol

MaxwellC

@bg22 Can't see you performing optimally in PvP or PvE, I'd love for you to show everyone a video.

bg22

Ulfgarde wrote: »

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

No, this just means you can't have both max DPS and max sustain.

Ya know... Balance. Crazy, I know.

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EldritchPenguin

bg22 wrote: »

Ulfgarde wrote: »

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

No, this just means you can't have both max DPS and max sustain.

Ya know... Balance. Crazy, I know.

Max DPS characters rely mostly on Healers to throw Orbs/Shards and apply Magicka Steal so that they can sustain. Without healers, their DPS doesn't last very long at all. So no, we don't actually have max DPS and max sustain.

Doctordarkspawn

Show me your end game credentials.

Anhedonie

bg22 wrote: »

Ulfgarde wrote: »

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

No, this just means you can't have both max DPS and max sustain.

Ya know... Balance. Crazy, I know.

Sustain is what are healers for.

Fishoscandi

Anhedonie wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Ulfgarde wrote: »

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

No, this just means you can't have both max DPS and max sustain.

Ya know... Balance. Crazy, I know.

Sustain is what are healers for.

Lol, @MissBizz did say that templars are stamina hos.

ThePonzzz

Well, we know who doesn't do 1vX, heh.

Ch4mpTW

bg22 wrote: »

I'm a StamPlar.

I run Spriggans, and Clever Alch. 7/7 medium.

In other words... everyone's assumptions were wrong. lol

Word? You can handle your own in VMoL and Flawless Maelstrom like that? For real though?

Doctordarkspawn

I continue to wonder if people are just unwilling or unable to move to another game or if they genuinely believe this slow undermining of core elements of the game without reguard for the consequences is a good thing.

The only way this is 'good' is if the designers have a greater plan of what they want the damage ceiling to be. This could be fixed, radically, with a overhaul of the class system in general, with respec tokens for everyone, and a little message stating 'we dun redid thangs'

Even something like a tallent tree at this point, even though it is the bane of many gamers, could give this system some much needed focus.

Ulfgarde

bg22 wrote: »

Ulfgarde wrote: »

What sets are you running? Damage sets? Sustain? Black rose, amberplasm, etc?

Of course, you can sustain with different sets. The potential issue is universal sustainability, not really "I can sustain, therefore it must not be an issue for most other people".

No, this just means you can't have both max DPS and max sustain.

Ya know... Balance. Crazy, I know.

That doesn't seem to be your main point. You asserted that you have good sustain w/o points in Warlord. That means nothing without context of your gear, class, build, etc. You could be a tank and still state you had good sustain. You could be a DPS with low survivability and still have great sustain. This really means nothing out of context. It's like saying "I have good damage, and I didn't have any points in Mage", yet you didn't say anything else. Maybe you have 1.5k recovery and yet you can survive for 10 seconds with Radiant Aura + Channeled Focus + Seducer + Spinner? There's a lot of other factors to consider that you didn't provide. Just because you provided your gear barely explains your deficit of an explanation, either.

That was the point of my argument. Of course, it seems like you didn't understand that.

Waffennacht

Go be a mag sorc and remove all of the magicka version.

See how well you fair, then report, if you find a solution not involving lich, seducer, or amberplasm, let us know

Also, run a mDK or mSorc in any CP anything then run that same build in No CP (for battleground experience) tell us how that goes.

I member when they said they refused to change abilities based on Pve vs PvP because they wanted players to not have to change their build between the two.... looks like that's right out the gd window.

HatchetHaro

You must also do amazing 10k AoE dps.

Ch4mpTW

Waffennacht wrote: »

Go be a mag sorc and remove all of the magicka version.

See how well you fair, then report, if you find a solution not involving lich, seducer, or amberplasm, let us know

Also, run a mDK or mSorc in any CP anything then run that same build in No CP (for battleground experience) tell us how that goes.

I member when they said they refused to change abilities based on Pve vs PvP because they wanted players to not have to change their build between the two.... looks like that's right out the gd window.

@Waffennacht Even with CP in cost reduction and magicka recovery, I still struggle to sustain well with my MagDK. And that's even with Elemental Drain up or Radiant Aura. I don't even want to imagine what it'd be like without those CP. >_<

Vanzeii

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Go be a mag sorc and remove all of the magicka version.

See how well you fair, then report, if you find a solution not involving lich, seducer, or amberplasm, let us know

Also, run a mDK or mSorc in any CP anything then run that same build in No CP (for battleground experience) tell us how that goes.

I member when they said they refused to change abilities based on Pve vs PvP because they wanted players to not have to change their build between the two.... looks like that's right out the gd window.

@Waffennacht Even with CP in cost reduction and magicka recovery, I still struggle to sustain well with my MagDK. And that's even with Elemental Drain up or Radiant Aura. I don't even want to imagine what it'd be like without those CP. >_<

@Ch4mpTW I tried dueling one of my friends while having my cp into recovery for my dk to get passives for farmimg and I wasted all my magicka way too fast so when I had her health low she just healed and I couldn't do anything.

Cpt_Teemo

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Show me your end game credentials.

The_Duke

MaxwellC wrote: »

@bg22 Can't see you performing optimally in PvP or PvE, I'd love for you to show everyone a video.

I run hulking and spriggans in pvp with zero sustain issues unless the fight goes on for 10 minutes. Just play burst and repent the bodies. If you can't nuke someone down just walk away. Tanks can only beat you by running you out of stam everything else just dies fast.

MaxwellC

@The_Duke
See right there this plays off of two assumptions if not three. First you assume you can burst down anyone and everyone in PvP then you assume if you can't well you can simply run away lol. I could throw in poisons but that's situational and not everyone uses them.

In PvP on my Stam DK I can try and burst downs someone but running away would be difficult unless I can line of sight with no DoTs on me so I can use my escape potion. Secondly If you can't burst someone down right well that only works if they do not retaliate so what if they do? You get CC'd and have to dodge then what? lol.

From playing no CP during that week my sustain was terrible but I was used to it since I don't have anything other than heavy attacks and a 4k magicka dump to regain around 1.8k stamina. In this scenario you're most likely fighting someone who has their reduction maxed so they can increase their damage output on you while you will have to break off. Again please provide something credible as I do not believe you would win a fight with someone who has their reduction setup while you do not unless you could as you said burst them down.

Torbschka

Vigarr wrote: »

spectre303 wrote: »

for some people change = forum rage and panic

I normally would agree here but this change will really suck for me as I have no recovery on any of my equipment nor do the sets I use have recovery and I play solo most of the time.

Another thing that pisses me off is that these cp passives are some of the only univerally beneficial ones...the others are tailored to specific builds/classes.

I hope u see the problem here, no game should allow "i play with 0 regen, but NP bro" lol. Come on, u have to make choices, thats a gold thing.

Turelus

Stop using logic on the forums it's not welcome here.

ZOS have changed something and that means the games dead, no one can complete any content any more and we should all quit.

Doctordarkspawn

Turelus wrote: »

Stop using logic on the forums it's not welcome here.

ZOS have changed something and that means the games dead, no one can complete any content any more and we should all quit.

I genuinely hope you can do something other than strawman and decide the truth in future, let alone consider peoples positions.

DocFrost72

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Stop using logic on the forums it's not welcome here.

ZOS have changed something and that means the games dead, no one can complete any content any more and we should all quit.

I genuinely hope you can do something other than strawman and decide the truth in future, let alone consider peoples positions.

Someone doesn't get sarcasm.