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Can we nerf magica already please?

  • KingJ
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    Personally I'll rather they Nerf magic than completely overbuff stam like we all know they will.
  • Ep1kMalware
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    Shadzilla wrote: »
    Stam is soooooo far away from the stadium that contains pve dps. That stadium is magicka only. Stam loses massively in every aspect, aoe survivability utility and single target.

    Not true, I've been watching the leaderboards and there's still 1-2 stam dps in those groups. It's not alot, but if those teams are constantly at #1 then I fully trust their judgement on bringing a stam dps or two in their groups. Because whatever their secret is to #1 scores is, it's working.
  • mrfrontman
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    Go watch Alcast's new stamsorc video. You'll be begging ZOS to nerf stamina next.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Korsario wrote: »
    Better survival, better aoe and same single target dps as stamina like wtf zenimax?

    I donlt think ZSO will nerf magicka... but I understand your point. Why Would you need stamina that can deal like single - target 10K - 20K one shot - dmg, when you have a magicka that can deal like 10K - 20K in a AOE dmg (to EVERYBODY in that area)...

    With magicka being so powerful currently there is simply no point in going stamina (at least for PvP).
  • Ep1kMalware
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    Korsario wrote: »
    Better survival, better aoe and same single target dps as stamina like wtf zenimax?

    I donlt think ZSO will nerf magicka... but I understand your point. Why Would you need stamina that can deal like single - target 10K - 20K one shot - dmg, when you have a magicka that can deal like 10K - 20K in a AOE dmg (to EVERYBODY in that area)...

    With magicka being so powerful currently there is simply no point in going stamina (at least for PvP).

    Stam has better self sustain, better damage mitigation for non 1 shots, and better burst damage due to proc sets.
  • Tapio75
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    I like your reasoning behind this request.

    The reasons you listed and the actual math that provides proof is rather good.


    My intuitive response to your request is as follows.

    - Nerf the nerfing

    Anyway.. I recently tried the currently most popular stamina build "Spamlightbow" and i do admit, it is far from my lightning magsorc.... ;P
    Edited by Tapio75 on March 18, 2017 1:31AM
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  • Tabbycat
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    Explain. Please give a detailed analysis of available data that supports your request.

    Do not forget to link referenced source material.

    Include charts and diagrams.
    Edited by Tabbycat on March 18, 2017 1:47AM
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  • OOJIMMY
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    Half of y'all were crying for stamina nerfs, now my stamplar is sad.
  • JinMori
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    Korsario wrote: »
    Better survival, better aoe and same single target dps as stamina like wtf zenimax?

    How about making stamina better? Instead of another *** nerf?
  • Ep1kMalware
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    OOJIMMY wrote: »
    Half of y'all were crying for stamina nerfs, now my stamplar is sad.

    Try that max stam/stam regen food. Stuff is incredible. You can manage 12khp fine using bladedloak rune focus and vigor. Just watch the charfe attacks.

    I made it to stg9 in vma with this food. But I run into lots of ghosts so meh.
  • BRogueNZ
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    funny guy

    pvp is full of ult generating DK's with unreal 2H range and easy mode animation cancelling capabilities

    Edited by BRogueNZ on March 18, 2017 2:09AM
  • Airyus
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    Yes. Buff Stam sorc. Nerf mag DK.

    SMH
  • Gilvoth
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    Korsario wrote: »
    just *** nerf magic sorcs already.

    this ^
  • mewcatus
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    Your wish might come true, if and when the nerf to sustain pulls through via the proposed changes to the CP tree. So there's that.
  • OOJIMMY
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    OOJIMMY wrote: »
    Half of y'all were crying for stamina nerfs, now my stamplar is sad.

    Try that max stam/stam regen food. Stuff is incredible. You can manage 12khp fine using bladedloak rune focus and vigor. Just watch the charfe attacks.

    I made it to stg9 in vma with this food. But I run into lots of ghosts so meh.

    I didn't even know that existed. My sets I run actually give me a decent amount of health so I should be gravy with it.
  • Woopy
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    Please ZOS don't shoot the magblades with a nerfgun.
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  • Khivas_Carrick
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    Is it too much to ask that instead of nerfing one thing, that we instead simply buff the other thing?
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  • Shadzilla
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    Shadzilla wrote: »
    Stam is soooooo far away from the stadium that contains pve dps. That stadium is magicka only. Stam loses massively in every aspect, aoe survivability utility and single target.

    Not true, I've been watching the leaderboards and there's still 1-2 stam dps in those groups. It's not alot, but if those teams are constantly at #1 then I fully trust their judgement on bringing a stam dps or two in their groups. Because whatever their secret is to #1 scores is, it's working.

    Please point me towards the #1 scores that have stamina dps toons in them. I would love to see the runs.
  • Merkzz23
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    Where were these stam guys calling for nerfs 3 months ago :D , looks like the little snowflakes don't feel special anymore

    Edit: Zos have tons of more buggier content they need to address before screwing up even more 'working' content. If mag is so 'op' as you claim, why not reroll a new char & try it out? The issue is stamina builds survivability in trials, not their dps (i still think stam pull higher single target in general this patch).
    Edited by Merkzz23 on March 18, 2017 7:12AM
    Vet 16 DK Tank
    Vet 12 Magicka Sorc
    Vet 1 Magicka Templar
    Lv 40 Magicka NB
    Lv 24 Stam NB
    Lv 8 Stam DK
    Lv 8 Magicka Sorc
    Lv 8 Stam NB
  • SaRuZ
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    Nerf ability bars, ONE SKILL called light attack for front bar, heavy attack for back bar. Everyone stays naked until 600 CP then you get pajamas that give you +1 HP, coz Balance god damn it!

    As I have seen in all other games...

    ADAPT! Stop bitching little kid, respec, regear & STFU! **** *** *************** ****** like ************* nub **** you **** **** *** go **** a ******** grey *** jelly donut eating **** *** with some *** in your *******

    *****!
    Edited by SaRuZ on March 18, 2017 7:05AM
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    The problem is that... abilities stack in PvP. If you have been attacked by 5 people using "Haunting Curse" - you have like 10 explosions on you (assuming you have some way to cleanse / purification - bot not every classes have those and the only commonly available skilll is AW "Purge").

    90% of players in PvP are magicka based for a RESON.

    Furthermore - people complain about magicka - because most magicka abilities are AOE. And most "zergs" groups use AOE attacks. So if you are attacked by such a zerg, even if you have like 30K stamina and can dodge infinitely - there is almost now way to dodge 10x destro ult stacked in one spot.

    So magicka and stamina does not require nerfing / buffing - it requires some gameplay changes / balancing (for PvP). If for example AEO could stack only to some point (for example if you are attacked by 10 SAME aeo attacks - only the first 5 would count - and the other 5 will deal 1/2, 1/3, 1/4/, 1/5 original dmg to you).
    Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 18, 2017 10:52AM
  • Ch4mpTW
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    SaRuZ wrote: »
    Nerf ability bars, ONE SKILL called light attack for front bar, heavy attack for back bar. Everyone stays naked until 600 CP then you get pajamas that give you +1 HP, coz Balance god damn it!

    As I have seen in all other games...

    ADAPT! Stop bitching little kid, respec, regear & STFU! **** *** *************** ****** like ************* nub **** you **** **** *** go **** a ******** grey *** jelly donut eating **** *** with some *** in your *******

    *****!

    ... What? O_o
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    SaRuZ wrote: »
    Nerf ability bars, ONE SKILL called light attack for front bar, heavy attack for back bar. Everyone stays naked until 600 CP then you get pajamas that give you +1 HP, coz Balance god damn it!

    As I have seen in all other games...

    ADAPT! Stop bitching little kid, respec, regear & STFU! **** *** *************** ****** like ************* nub **** you **** **** *** go **** a ******** grey *** jelly donut eating **** *** with some *** in your *******

    *****!
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  • SublimeSparo
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    akl77 wrote: »
    Yes, the difference between sorcerer and DK or Templar or nb is too far, sorcerer is far overpowered, at least double the dps output of the other classes. That's very unbalanced and not fun.

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  • ADarklore
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    I have to laugh, when I first joined this game, everyone was complaining about how everything revolved around Stamina, that Magicka builds were so far behind, that Magicka needed a boost, etc, etc, etc. Now, the pendulum has swung the other way and now it's, "nerf Magicka". We'll see what the state of the game is once Morrowind drops and the major changes to CP hit and suddenly everyone sucks. ;)
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  • Didaco
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    Buff greatsword!
  • ElliottXO
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    SnubbS wrote: »
    No, don't nerf anything—buff Medium, buff Light.

    Which translates into nerfing heavy.
  • GreenhaloX
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    Get rid of nerfing.. what the hell?! Everything is about progress. Nerfing is not progress. When things are nerfed, the game is just moving backward. You're not making the game or experience any better. Should be upping classes and skills.. that is forward progress! Also, get rid of training and prosperous traits!
  • Banana
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    No. It'll be stamina's turn when it goes full circle again. Or just use race change like i did.
    Edited by Banana on March 18, 2017 1:40PM
  • GawdSB
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    How about they buff Stam? And Magblade, buff Magblade too.

    They made Magic Characters good in both PVP and PVE while Stam is only useful imo in PVP.

    Keep everything else the same, only easy mode clase atm is MagSorc imo. Rotation is so easy and it's so powerful.
    Edited by GawdSB on March 18, 2017 1:41PM
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