Tips for pugs who frequently get kicked for weak dps

Taysa

A console peasant tells others to go play another MMO. More details tonight at 11.

Ihatenightblades

Astrid_V wrote: »

OP if you hate heavy armour wearing light attack spamming werewolves why are you running dungeons with random people? Do them with your 50k dps friends, problem solved.

I do and often times i dont feel like talking to nobody and just getting a couple keys from dailys and i run into tons of people who end up getting kicked.

Dont forget it takes 3 to kick 1 . If a vote passes all 3 people agreed you stunk it up.

So i gave a few suggestions that alot of people can recommend also.

Shame on the people here for encouraging people to not take builds seriously and joining serious content.

I got no problem with a below average player doing normals or anything else hell even pvp i dont mind being in group with low levels.

But vet dungeons require dedication to role.

Heavy armor dps is no good
2h main bar dps no good
Spamming light attacks with bow no good
Spamming light attacks with WEREWOLF and fearing mobs - lol im not even gonna go there

Nobody should be defending these things ^ if u are giving tips to people who are asking for help on dps.

Indigochild3rdi

Lol this thread is ridiculous. "You gotta max out your dps and look up elite builds on google and you got to make sure you're the best ever instead of just enjoying the game. Grind, remove all fun you are currently having and be rude to noobs". That's all I'm seeing

bloodthirstyvampire

vamp_emily wrote: »

I'm not good at DPS but Little Miss Emily pulled 50k DPS once. The DPS gods loved me that day, but they disappeared on me now I only do 30-32k dps.

Thats still pretty good dps

Curragraigue

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

And its always no hard feelings when we kick someone hopefully they learn a lesson on why they got kicked

Do you tell them why and give advice or just kick them without explanation and hope they figure it out?

Was going to ask the same question and offer up the opinion that you should never kick a person from a normal dungeon as those are for learning. If the group isn't up to your standards in normal dungeons you should be the one to leave. Vet dungeons are a different matter. People trying vet should know what they are doing other than maybe mechanics the first couple of times in.

In reply to the OP I sometimes forget to replace my Rattlecage armor after PvP and do fine in vet dungeons. Yeah I do better in my PvE gear but most the time the difference isn't going to make much difference in the outcome of the fight.

I dont do normals unless jm grinding set and i dont kick people from normals lol

Im strictly pointing to the people with 500CP spamming light attack with bow with now aoe's?

Heavy armor 2 hander spamming WB?

Vet dungeons are for veterans.

Cant call yourself a veteran doing 10k dps

WB spamming is a no no but just having a two hand is not a deal breaker for stam DPS.

Indigochild3rdi

Supersomething wrote: »

On another note waffles or pancakes? I'm a waffle man myself.

Pancakes.......

Ihatenightblades

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

Lol this thread is ridiculous. "You gotta max out your dps and look up elite builds on google and you got to make sure you're the best ever instead of just enjoying the game. Grind, remove all fun you are currently having and be rude to noobs". That's all I'm seeing

Participation trophies , participation trophies for everyone.

Ihatenightblades

Taysa wrote: »

A console peasant tells others to go play another MMO. More details tonight at 11.

Pc community - bashes at console users for not using their platform

Console community - dont care ..

Khivas_Carrick

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Raeph wrote: »

Just to make this somewhat constructive, I am wondering if there is a way to make 2H at least workable in Vet dungeons. I know it won't be as good as dual weild, but can it get the job done in the right hands?

Assuming you're using 5 medium armor 1 light 1 heavy. What rotation and gear set would be most effective?

Thanks.

Stam dk apply all dots keep arrow barrage and poison injection applied on back bar.

The problem with 2h is the spam ability. Spamming wrecking blow all the way to e execute range is iffy.

Dw and bow all the way !!

I'm a Templar so Biting Jabs makes me rather effective at whipping ass.

20-25k is plenty for vet dungeons, and if I use potions and *** like a smart kid I can easily go higher.

I'm just hilariously lazy, and have yet to be kicked by anybody or thing lol

Ihatenightblades

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Raeph wrote: »

Just to make this somewhat constructive, I am wondering if there is a way to make 2H at least workable in Vet dungeons. I know it won't be as good as dual weild, but can it get the job done in the right hands?

Assuming you're using 5 medium armor 1 light 1 heavy. What rotation and gear set would be most effective?

Thanks.

Stam dk apply all dots keep arrow barrage and poison injection applied on back bar.

The problem with 2h is the spam ability. Spamming wrecking blow all the way to e execute range is iffy.

Dw and bow all the way !!

I'm a Templar so Biting Jabs makes me rather effective at whipping ass.

20-25k is plenty for vet dungeons, and if I use potions and *** like a smart kid I can easily go higher.

I'm just hilariously lazy, and have yet to be kicked by anybody or thing lol

Not gonna say i NEVER played with a good dps 2hand user but its rare and i dont recommend it to anybody in pve.

Khivas_Carrick

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

A console peasant tells others to go play another MMO. More details tonight at 11.

Pc community - bashes at console users for not using their platform

Console community - dont care ..

But baby you do care, you made this lovely letter for us all to read lol

Also it's Console, now that I know that this whole thing just kinda died for me. Console players tend to be the most casual of casuals and the Trolls the trolliest of trolls.

Whole thing is a joke, just like Xbox lol

Btw nicely done

Molydeus

Why is everyone feeding this troll.

This is OP

Floki_Vilgerdarson

[/quote]

The best DPS in the world weave light attacks between poison injection, rapid strikes or whatever their spamable attack might be.

A good dps knows his dot timers and will go through a rotation of attacks that might not be visible to allies due to animation canceling.

Werewolves in Vet Dungeons are not helpful. They cannot revive or synergize ultimates etc. Fearing mobs does not help aggro and is not efficient. They can do great burst damage on a single target, but wolves have to spend time with their face on the ground feeding or that dps is over. When you calculate damage per second (dps) wolves have too much down time feeding to keep a rotation going against a 3 million hp boss. Werewolves are great for pvp applications but do not fit in the dungeon group role.

Two-Handed weapons are great for Single Target DPS. Skilled players can make this work, but suffer in fights where you are in mobs or if a boss is out of reach. Primarily two handed weapons are for buffing up with rally and pvp applications.

Heavy armor is not the best for maxing out dps, but some wear 5, 1, 1, for survival. I say a squishy DPS causes the healer to work harder than he needs to work. You can't do damage while dead. That is why many stamina dps from PVP run 5 heavy. 20k health in a vet dungeon says they don't have as much offense as the guy with 18k if all other things were equal. However, many one shot mechanics are hitting for about 18k. It is a deadly balance that comes down to many factors. Either way, you won't know what armor I am wearing and if I am doing my job you will never stress about it.

You forgot Vampires, do you kick them also? If fully fed they are just like you and I, but starved and they melt in the fire regardless of being a dunmer or champ points. Do not go into vet City of Ash without a full feeding you bloodsuckers. ; )

Me personally, I realize the group finder is broken and I am lucky to get any group. When someone is having trouble I help them if they will accept the help. I have over 1000 cp so I know how to help. I have played every role so it is time to help the new players.

MAKE SURE YOU TRY HELPING YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS BEFORE YOU KICK THEM! These are real people, not Ai and kicking people might give someone a power trip, but how are you helping anything by kicking them? They will justfind a new group and keep making the same errors we all made when we started. Be the guy who helps, not the guy who kicks.

Thank You,

Floki[/quote]

OP in my post above I asked about vampires. Are they an auto kick also?

Thank you,

Floki

Bosco916

pizzaow wrote: »

My rules for kicking DPS from normal dungeons:
*

My rules for kicking DPS from vet dungeons:
* Not enough DPS to pass a DPS-test wall (e.g. flesh atronachs before they enrage)
* Not following required mechanics (e.g. portals during planar inhibitor) AND not listening/reading chat

I might be weird, but I actually like teaching random people mechanics/tricks. Sure, some dungeons can take a while, but that's the fun of the game for me.


French toast > Waffles > Pancakes
... unless we are talking about blueberry ricotta pancakes

These are absolutely valid reasons for kicking. The OP's? Not so much. ihatenightblades is all about that "cookie-cutter" life. Also, I loved the "how does that make you feel?" comments XD

Ihatenightblades

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

The best DPS in the world weave light attacks between poison injection, rapid strikes or whatever their spamable attack might be.

A good dps knows his dot timers and will go through a rotation of attacks that might not be visible to allies due to animation canceling.

Werewolves in Vet Dungeons are not helpful. They cannot revive or synergize ultimates etc. Fearing mobs does not help aggro and is not efficient. They can do great burst damage on a single target, but wolves have to spend time with their face on the ground feeding or that dps is over. When you calculate damage per second (dps) wolves have too much down time feeding to keep a rotation going against a 3 million hp boss. Werewolves are great for pvp applications but do not fit in the dungeon group role.

Two-Handed weapons are great for Single Target DPS. Skilled players can make this work, but suffer in fights where you are in mobs or if a boss is out of reach. Primarily two handed weapons are for buffing up with rally and pvp applications.

Heavy armor is not the best for maxing out dps, but some wear 5, 1, 1, for survival. I say a squishy DPS causes the healer to work harder than he needs to work. You can't do damage while dead. That is why many stamina dps from PVP run 5 heavy. 20k health in a vet dungeon says they don't have as much offense as the guy with 18k if all other things were equal. However, many one shot mechanics are hitting for about 18k. It is a deadly balance that comes down to many factors. Either way, you won't know what armor I am wearing and if I am doing my job you will never stress about it.

You forgot Vampires, do you kick them also? If fully fed they are just like you and I, but starved and they melt in the fire regardless of being a dunmer or champ points. Do not go into vet City of Ash without a full feeding you bloodsuckers. ; )

Me personally, I realize the group finder is broken and I am lucky to get any group. When someone is having trouble I help them if they will accept the help. I have over 1000 cp so I know how to help. I have played every role so it is time to help the new players.

MAKE SURE YOU TRY HELPING YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS BEFORE YOU KICK THEM! These are real people, not Ai and kicking people might give someone a power trip, but how are you helping anything by kicking them? They will justfind a new group and keep making the same errors we all made when we started. Be the guy who helps, not the guy who kicks.

Thank You,

Floki[/quote]

OP in my post above I asked about vampires. Are they an auto kick also?

Thank you,

Floki[/quote]

Dude not being able to sleep over kicking someone is a another issue .

I would suggest a psychiatrist that

Quigster

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

Lol this thread is ridiculous. "You gotta max out your dps and look up elite builds on google and you got to make sure you're the best ever instead of just enjoying the game. Grind, remove all fun you are currently having and be rude to noobs". That's all I'm seeing

Ok, this post summed it up better than I did. Nicely said.

Bosco916

Quigster wrote: »

Indigochild3rdi wrote: »

Lol this thread is ridiculous. "You gotta max out your dps and look up elite builds on google and you got to make sure you're the best ever instead of just enjoying the game. Grind, remove all fun you are currently having and be rude to noobs". That's all I'm seeing

Ok, this post summed it up better than I did. Nicely said.

This

Quigster

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Nothint wrong with having a opinion or standards lf you're own.

You dont seem triggered or seem like the type that gets mad when he gets kicked so you shouldnt worry

I simply made this thread for tips for people who get kicked and dont have a clue why and want to do something about it.

So many dps tips you can get from YouTubers and streamers there is NO EXCUSE for weak dps if you are over 300 Cp .

I had cp160 people in my group that do GREAT DPS. Why? Because they use right skills and rotation etc.

Its usualy stam characters that lack dps due to them using bow and 2hand or heavy armor.

I used to get triggered, if I understand how you are using that term, a lot when I was younger. After I retired I discovered a new perspective and realized many of the things I got worked up over (like computer games) were really not that important in the long run. In reality, I am just a lot less stressed now. If you want to see me triggered, come scrub-in with me for a bowel resection with end-to-end anastomosis in a patient with a bleeding disorder. That could get me triggered in a hurry. Can't find the bleeder, loose the sponge count, scrub nurse can't keep up with the instruments.....ah, damn. See, you got me started....

Ep1kMalware

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Things that will get you kicked by group members ( INCLUDING ME )

***Edit - No need to be triggered this is simply for people who dont know why they are getting kicked and would like not to get kicked
Anymore ***

1. Make sure to set your group role to what you actually do.
2. DO NOT COME IN WITH HEAVY ARMOR IF YOUR A DPS
3. DO NOT USE A 2 hander in vet dungeons
4. DO NOT SPAM LIGHT ATTACKS AND POISON INJECTION WITH YOUR BOW
5.DO NOT GO WEREWOLF FORM IN VET DUNGEONS AROUND ME

Those 5 actions above will get you kicked in no time by a lot of people including me

Im a nice guy but i dont got time to be sitting there watching u spam light attacks with a bow or sit there with your 23k health heavy armor dps LOL.

My last advice is to look up dps builds if you are new and struggling. There is no need to try to struggle with a weak dps build dps is very easy to pull off.

And its always no hard feelings when we kick someone hopefully they learn a lesson on why they got kicked

Hey! 2hander/bow isn't bad, 15-20k dps is fully possible with it depending on the class. Nb or templar. Classes that lack a spammable like sorc or dk really must have dw. If it helps them not die then I'll accept their playstyle. Not everyone has vigor and has to use rally as a burst heal.

I will say that there are certain dungeons where you really need dw abilities, like darkshade caverns 2.

Floki_Vilgerdarson

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

The best DPS in the world weave light attacks between poison injection, rapid strikes or whatever their spamable attack might be.

A good dps knows his dot timers and will go through a rotation of attacks that might not be visible to allies due to animation canceling.

Werewolves in Vet Dungeons are not helpful. They cannot revive or synergize ultimates etc. Fearing mobs does not help aggro and is not efficient. They can do great burst damage on a single target, but wolves have to spend time with their face on the ground feeding or that dps is over. When you calculate damage per second (dps) wolves have too much down time feeding to keep a rotation going against a 3 million hp boss. Werewolves are great for pvp applications but do not fit in the dungeon group role.

Two-Handed weapons are great for Single Target DPS. Skilled players can make this work, but suffer in fights where you are in mobs or if a boss is out of reach. Primarily two handed weapons are for buffing up with rally and pvp applications.

Heavy armor is not the best for maxing out dps, but some wear 5, 1, 1, for survival. I say a squishy DPS causes the healer to work harder than he needs to work. You can't do damage while dead. That is why many stamina dps from PVP run 5 heavy. 20k health in a vet dungeon says they don't have as much offense as the guy with 18k if all other things were equal. However, many one shot mechanics are hitting for about 18k. It is a deadly balance that comes down to many factors. Either way, you won't know what armor I am wearing and if I am doing my job you will never stress about it.

You forgot Vampires, do you kick them also? If fully fed they are just like you and I, but starved and they melt in the fire regardless of being a dunmer or champ points. Do not go into vet City of Ash without a full feeding you bloodsuckers. ; )

Me personally, I realize the group finder is broken and I am lucky to get any group. When someone is having trouble I help them if they will accept the help. I have over 1000 cp so I know how to help. I have played every role so it is time to help the new players.

MAKE SURE YOU TRY HELPING YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS BEFORE YOU KICK THEM! These are real people, not Ai and kicking people might give someone a power trip, but how are you helping anything by kicking them? They will justfind a new group and keep making the same errors we all made when we started. Be the guy who helps, not the guy who kicks.

Thank You,

Floki

OP in my post above I asked about vampires. Are they an auto kick also?

Thank you,

Floki[/quote]

Dude not being able to sleep over kicking someone is a another issue .

I would suggest a psychiatrist that

[/quote]

Where did I say I would loose any "sleep" over anything in my post? I have PTSD from combat and not this game, but thanks kid.

zuto40

How do you block people on the forums

EldritchPenguin

Im a nice guy but

In my experience, nothing good ever comes after that bolded word in a sentence like this.

The_Smilemeister

All I can say is I'm glad we aren't on the same platform. I wonder how he'd react to my Imperial Stamina Two Handed Heavy Armoured Vampire Nightblade.

Jokes aside, I feel this is more on what you want rather than what your minority group wants. I'm no elitist, but even if I was, I wouldn't want you speaking on my behalf. Even elitists are individuals with their own mindsets, opinions, strategies and so forth. Trying to speak on behalf of people who didn't ask for it is a one way ticket to being shunned by the people you claim to speak for.

I can tell you don't care about what others think of you and in that sense I respect you since I too feel that way to certain degrees. You can't always please everyone so there's no point trying to be someone you're not. However I wouldn't deliberalty go out to shoot myself with an arrow in the knee like I feel you just did.

The problem I have with this post is that you've distanced yourself from more people than you probably intended. It's more about your arrogance to be honest. If you want people who wish to join you to meet specific requirements, that's fine. No problems there. But saying that your standard is the norm for all members of your minority and then trying to force feed it down the throats of other people, you may as well have wrote as your post title "Please don't join me in dungeons. Here's why."

I'm not saying that you shouldn't stick to whatever specifications you want, but your specifications are no more relevent, important, or better than anyone else's and by trying to speak on behalf of others whilst writing your points in first person will just limit how many people would want to join you and make your own dungeon experiences less fun. You'll be single handedly responsible for your own downfall.

(Before you potentially get triggered, all IMO. I respect your opinion so I hope you respect mine.)

kyle.wilson

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Things that will get you kicked by group members ( INCLUDING ME )

***Edit - No need to be triggered this is simply for people who dont know why they are getting kicked and would like not to get kicked
Anymore ***

1. Make sure to set your group role to what you actually do.
2. DO NOT COME IN WITH HEAVY ARMOR IF YOUR A DPS
3. DO NOT USE A 2 hander in vet dungeons
4. DO NOT SPAM LIGHT ATTACKS AND POISON INJECTION WITH YOUR BOW
5.DO NOT GO WEREWOLF FORM IN VET DUNGEONS AROUND ME

Those 5 actions above will get you kicked in no time by a lot of people including me

Im a nice guy but i dont got time to be sitting there watching u spam light attacks with a bow or sit there with your 23k health heavy armor dps LOL.

My last advice is to look up dps builds if you are new and struggling. There is no need to try to struggle with a weak dps build dps is very easy to pull off.

And its always no hard feelings when we kick someone hopefully they learn a lesson on why they got kicked

If your gonna pug, you got to live with this sometimes. There are almost no vet dungeons where everyone needs to be min/maxed.
Maybe you could find some friends to play with if the group finder is hurting you so much.
But, since you are the same guy that doesn't understand set drops.

acw37162

I don't kick people unless they go afk for a long time.

Most of the time I'll just leave.

The_Smilemeister

Bosco916 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

My rules for kicking DPS from normal dungeons:
*

My rules for kicking DPS from vet dungeons:
* Not enough DPS to pass a DPS-test wall (e.g. flesh atronachs before they enrage)
* Not following required mechanics (e.g. portals during planar inhibitor) AND not listening/reading chat

I might be weird, but I actually like teaching random people mechanics/tricks. Sure, some dungeons can take a while, but that's the fun of the game for me.


French toast > Waffles > Pancakes
... unless we are talking about blueberry ricotta pancakes

These are absolutely valid reasons for kicking. The OP's? Not so much. ihatenightblades is all about that "cookie-cutter" life. Also, I loved the "how does that make you feel?" comments XD

You're going to love my remark then.

Taysa

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

A console peasant tells others to go play another MMO. More details tonight at 11.

Pc community - bashes at console users for not using their platform

Console community - dont care ..

Nah, sweetie. You got it backwards. See, the PC community doesn't care about your console peasant opinion. That's why console peasants like you make silly threads like this telling everyone they're "triggered" to justify the real reason for this thread, which is "I'M A GAMER TOO WAHHHHHH!"

tist

2h is fine if you have the aoe execute. Even single target I get 25k pretty easily which is more than most of the people you end up grouping with.

The_Smilemeister

Taysa wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

A console peasant tells others to go play another MMO. More details tonight at 11.

Pc community - bashes at console users for not using their platform

Console community - dont care ..

Nah, sweetie. You got it backwards. See, the PC community doesn't care about your console peasant opinion. That's why console peasants like you make silly threads like this telling everyone they're "triggered" to justify the real reason for this thread, which is "I'M A GAMER TOO WAHHHHHH!"

I'm just waiting for the whole ceiling to collapse when every member of the #PCMasterRace pokes fun at his silly and somewhat pointless remark (and again, speaking for people who didn't ask him to). Anyway, aren't PC and Xbox related? Microsoft did father them both, after all. I feel sorry for the PC community.

Enough of me getting emotional and adding my bit of banter. Who wants some salted popcorn?

Vapirko

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You can tell me not to use heavy armor on dungeons all you like. I have beaten the maelstrom arena wearing it and swinging a 2H.

Chew on that.

MA arena is an entirely different situation, not so much focused on max dps but much more a balance of sustain and dps. So yes in that case heavy armor and 2H can be more viable.