What will be the “unique” ability of Warden?

Lyserus

DK: Best Tank, the “go to” in vet trial
T: Best healer, stam recovery skill
Sorc: Pets and addition skill bar
NB: Gankers in pvp

MythicEmperor

Wd(?): tree-huggers

Lord_Eomer

Well all around class will not beat specific class for example DK as Tanks and Templars as Healer.

It will good as hybrid

KochDerDamonen

Some are speculating their heals might have stamina variants, that there pets will actually be high quality and usable as a build, but really we won't know until we have the class in our grubby paws.

RedFireDisco

I think hybrid

Vaoh

They're good at all roles. I can see Warden Healers and Tanks being accepted in raids over their usual Templar and DK counterparts.

zaria

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

STEVIL

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Some are speculating their heals might have stamina variants, that there pets will actually be high quality and usable as a build, but really we won't know until we have the class in our grubby paws.

IIRC the skill lists posted had some "scales off health" kind of references that i found interesting.

i was half expecting to see one skill line off each attribute - as a sign of things to come.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

It's already been stated by ZOS that Wardens were built to excel at the off tank and off healer hybrid role.

They act as a beacon for group support, and healing. Dishing out some damage here or there. What we know now about their passives means that raids will most likely consist of 2 wardens 1 off tank and 1 healer, and 1 Templar healer

STEVIL

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's already been stated by ZOS that Wardens were built to excel at the off tank and off healer hybrid role.

They act as a beacon for group support, and healing. Dishing out some damage here or there. What we know now about their passives means that raids will most likely consist of 2 wardens 1 off tank and 1 healer, and 1 Templar healer

that combo may also make the great for soloing group content where applicable.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

STEVIL wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

It's already been stated by ZOS that Wardens were built to excel at the off tank and off healer hybrid role.

They act as a beacon for group support, and healing. Dishing out some damage here or there. What we know now about their passives means that raids will most likely consist of 2 wardens 1 off tank and 1 healer, and 1 Templar healer

that combo may also make the great for soloing group content where applicable.

I'm already planning a hybrid tank/healer build for vDSA farming so we can run 3 dps.

Anti_Virus

STEVIL wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Some are speculating their heals might have stamina variants, that there pets will actually be high quality and usable as a build, but really we won't know until we have the class in our grubby paws.

IIRC the skill lists posted had some "scales off health" kind of references that i found interesting.

i was half expecting to see one skill line off each attribute - as a sign of things to come.

This I think that quote Wrobel had stated where he would "make health a viable resource stat" is comming into effect.

stevepdodson_ESO888

zaria wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

check out "Impaling Shards" skill...deals frost damage but damage done is based on Max Health

Turelus

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

check out "Impaling Shards" skill...deals frost damage but damage done is based on Max Health

That's not hybid then is it, that's Health build.

Hybrid is use of Magicka and Stamina which because of the design route the game went is worthless.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Turelus wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

check out "Impaling Shards" skill...deals frost damage but damage done is based on Max Health

That's not hybid then is it, that's Health build.

Hybrid is use of Magicka and Stamina which because of the design route the game went is worthless.

hybrid means using more than one resource...if that means magicka and health then it is still hybrid

RedFireDisco

zaria wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

All it would take is some theoretical modifier to give (different to pelinal's) a alternative scaling based on both attributes

There's also the option to use both stam and mag in a single attack increasing the strength of said attack.

There really are a number of other ways to implement it without making it more or less powered relative to existing systems, it would just require more coding.

LordGavus

Sounds like their versatility will be a key feature.

MakoFore

stamina range and bow builds- that cliff racer will be the new poison injection/silver shards- and with a reflect- at range it might be the first to make bow builds viable.

Savos_Saren

The ability to teleport enemies around. No other class can do that.

olsborg

Mostly looks like Warden will have all buffs available in their class trees. This isnt balance at all, but balance hasnt been good in this game since ever, it just keeps shifting. I think they made Warden this OP (first impression) so they will sell more Morrowind codes. Warden will be OP for a few months, then balance will shift again most likely.

Nerouyn

jaburns wrote: »

The ability to teleport enemies around. No other class can do that.

DKs have fiery grip. Ok it's not a "teleport" but it does move enemies to you.

clocksstoppe

The ability to give your entire group major resolve/ward (5200 spell+physical resist)

TheNuminous1

A dot that when finished spreads to 6 other enemies

Cinbri

Netch summon that is purging, restoring resource, apply major sorc/brutality buff and can proc necropotence.

Turelus

The ability to make people scream "PAY TO WIN!" every time they die to one.

Khaos_Bane

Why do people say any new class in an MMO is going to be a "hybrid" .

Khaos_Bane

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

A dot that when finished spreads to 6 other enemies

After 10 seconds when everything is already dead.

Turelus

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Why do people say any new class in an MMO is going to be a "hybrid" .

Because the way the game has been developed now there is very little reason to go hybrid as it would make your character weaker.

It's basically a question of do you want to be really strong at one thing (and what everything is balanced around) or do you want to be average at two or three things and struggle with most of the group base content and PvP.

Turelus wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I think hybrid

Hybrid is an fantasy in ESO.
Since damage scales with max magic or max stamina something in the middle does half the damage.
Changing it would require bringing back soft caps.

check out "Impaling Shards" skill...deals frost damage but damage done is based on Max Health

That's not hybid then is it, that's Health build.

Hybrid is use of Magicka and Stamina which because of the design route the game went is worthless.

Granted, I meant more if you're pushing health as your main stat for the health skills.
If you're doing Health/Magicka or Health/Stamina then yes it's still hybrid but will suffer from all the same issues that current hybrid builds do.

TheNuminous1

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

A dot that when finished spreads to 6 other enemies

After 10 seconds when everything is already dead.

Lol not in pvp

TheNuminous1

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

A dot that when finished spreads to 6 other enemies

After 10 seconds when everything is already dead.

Or maybe even if u kill the originally infected target that will count as the dot ending and spread from the dead npc

Tommy_The_Gun

Lyserus wrote: »

DK: Best Tank, the “go to” in vet trial
T: Best healer, stam recovery skill
Sorc: Pets and addition skill bar
NB: Gankers in pvp

After Morriwind update:
Warden: Best Tank, the “go to” in vet trial
Warden: Best healer, stam recovery skill
Warden: Pets and addition skill bar
Warden: Gankers in pvp