What advice would you give ZoS if they made another mmo?

Malamar1229

aliens vs predator mmo!!!

Sallington

Focus more on guild functionality, and social aspects in general.

Less time spent on cramming as much RNG as possible into the game..

TequilaFire

White wabbit wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Best advice so far

Actually it was a fail troll.
A developer would be stupid not to go where the money is.

Balamoor

Adopt Square Enix's community conduct polices especially as they pertain to forums.

Violynne

Jemcrystal wrote: »

Is there a chance ZoS might one day make another mmorpg?

I'd rather see ZoS spend the time to properly fix the one they have out now.

Otherwise, they'd just copy/paste/reskin the new one, with the same problems.

qsnoopyjr

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I would tell them good luck and keep playing ESO. I'm here for The Elder Scrolls part.

What if they made ESO2

Kinda like Everquest and Everquest2.

Zypheran

Not sure what advice I would give if any but I can certainly say that if ZOS brought out another MMO I would buy straight away! Sure, I've posted by gripes about a few issues in ESO from time to time but overall, ESO is unquestionably the best game I have ever played. The graphics, content, gameplay... everything. The team have done an amazing job so if I ever saw them bring out another product, I would pick it up straight away.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I would never play another MMO by ZOS.

Voxicity

Everyone starts out with a sharpened inferno moondancer staff in their inventory so they never have to farm for it

Tandor

I'd wish them the best of luck, hope that it was at least half as good as ESO, and suggest that they might want to consider their position on incorporating consoles, PvP, and official forums into the new game.

Ep1kMalware

My advice, plan rng ahead. Rng is fine, it's cool, but there MUST be a light at the end of the tunnel. This 'house always wins' bit, generates alot of animocity.

Balance pvp/pve seperately, plan ahead for this.

Focus on gameplay issues. Housing is cool, morrowind will kick ass I'm sure. But *** gameplay kills the spirit faster than you think. The casual crowd you market toward could be loyal subscribers if your antifeatures didnt chase them off.

Don't go buy-to-play. This probably hurt you the most, as it affected everything thereafter in your marketing. Your reputation is important. The old addage goes: If you make 1 customer happy, they tell 5 people. If you *** a customer off, they'll tell 20 people about it. Game popularity is word of mouth. People believe almost everything they see/hear. A few pissed pff people could deter hundreds of sales, perhaps thousands if they're popular.

Imagine if many popular youtubers spread false rumors about zos 'cuz they were mad.

andreasranasen

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell and market games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

kevlarto_ESO

Hire and keep experienced mmo game dev's do not hire scrubs like lamebert/wobble team.

And invest in good hardware, keep cheating out of the game or be more proactive to stop it when it is found, don't be afraid to really perma ban chuckleheads for cheating or abuse.

Make a game with a lot of content and make real expansions filled in with some dlc's, keep the game fresh as possible.

But I think the point is moot as I believe the traditional mmo are on it's way out, as times and players have changed. Free to play and buy to play has ruined the industry with mediocre games light on content, and features.

I miss the older mmo's that were deep in content and features.

Tandor

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

Care to put forward corresponding figures for MMORPGs? Five years out of date will do !

thebattlesaintb14_ESO

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I would never play another MMO by ZOS.

Then why do you play this one?

SirAndy

Jemcrystal wrote: »

What advice would you give ZoS if they made another mmo?

"ZOS, don't listen to random people who think they are in a position to give you unsolicited advice in an online forum"

ThePaleItalian

Tandor wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

Care to put forward corresponding figures for MMORPGs? Five years out of date will do !

But why take a demographic out of the equation? I do not understand not having MMO's on consoles.

nimander99

None, I'm not in any position to offer advice as I know nothing about programming a video game or an MMO for that matter.

I would be willing to bet they have learned a lot as team and already know what they would do differently if they do another MMO.

only thing I could offer is ideas, but slowly but surely they seem to be adding everything id like to see in a Scrolls MMO, very excited for the future of this game.

O_LYKOS

I would advise them to have stable servers before hammering it with content.

ADarklore

To hire people that specialize or are greatly experienced in MMO mega-server architecture.

DurzoBlint13

simply put some thought behind a new loot system instead of the horrendous RNG they use now. The grind is real

Sovaso

Advice? Seriously?

Indigochild3rdi

Don't. Fix issues with eso, expand it, make it as good as possible and keep the servers up as long as humanly possible because I love eso and all other mmos can suck it lol

jedtb16_ESO

tell me first.... i'll buy the collectors edition and a years sub.

IcyDeadPeople

If they ever make a Fallout themed MMO, I hope it has more emergent kind of gameplay systems and sandbox features.

MasterSpatula

Look to Star Wars: Galaxies for how they did housing and trade. Make an open world vast enough to support that system and the player-created towns it had. For all it's many, many flaws, I've still never seen anyone even come close to matching SWG in that department.

Communicate, communicate, communicate. Devs should be members of the community, people we're used to seeing comment on posts. We shouldn't find ourselves clicking on every post that's been moderated for the hope it's an actual word from ZOS. They should be active parts of the community, openly and honestly part of discussions.

GMs in game all the time. All the time. Give them the authority to do impromptu events if they get bored. But tickets and reports need a fast response. Games like this need to be moderated live.

I promise, the customer retention from these last two suggestions would pay for themselves.

Tandor

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

Care to put forward corresponding figures for MMORPGs? Five years out of date will do !

But why take a demographic out of the equation? I do not understand not having MMO's on consoles.

My point was that while more gamers use consoles, comparatively few console gamers play MMORPGs. Therefore while it would make no sense for a developer of some other types of games to miss out on the console market, that doesn't apply to MMORPGs the majority of whose developers don't bother with console versions.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell and market games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

I see your 2012 date and raise you 2015 data:

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/14/155-million-americans-play-video-games-and-4-out-of-5-households-own-a-gaming-device/

From which: "The PC is the most popular gaming device in America, says the study, with 62 percent of the most frequent gamers using it to play. Dedicated consoles follow at 56 percent, and then smartphones at 35 percent. Dedicated handheld systems like the PlayStation Vita and Nintendo 3DS are the least popular, at 21 percent."

Quick use of google also shows 84% of US Households have a PC - 73% of which also have a broadband connection, but only 51% have a Console.

So what the console market actually shows is a smaller number (than PC) of total players drifting between a higher number of games (your data is "games played").

A successful long-term investment in a game (from a development point of view) requires players that stick around, not players who flit between games just because the weather changed.

All The Best

zaria

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell and market games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.

Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

Zos said that ESO user base is shared pretty equal between the three platforms, no console version give just 1/3 of the customer base, far fewer MMO on consoles give less competition is an major one.
PC player myself and have never owned an console.
For TES 6, have ZoS make the pc GUI, Bethesda has no idea how to do it.

The console / pc sold games is ancient and obvious wrong. Steam and other online sales are not listed.

zaria

Tandor wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

If, for some reason, they decide to make a new MMO, don't release it on console. EVER!

Um,

1. They make more money out of console players than PC players.
2. It's easier to sell games on console than it is on PC.
3. Majority of people own consoles than PC's.


Console games played in 2012: 445,278,842
PC games played in 2012: 33,355,879

Care to put forward corresponding figures for MMORPGs? Five years out of date will do !

But why take a demographic out of the equation? I do not understand not having MMO's on consoles.

My point was that while more gamers use consoles, comparatively few console gamers play MMORPGs. Therefore while it would make no sense for a developer of some other types of games to miss out on the console market, that doesn't apply to MMORPGs the majority of whose developers don't bother with console versions.

Fewer console gamers play MMO as its few MMO for them. you have the Final Fantasy for PC and PlayStation who is huge.
Know no others of any size PS3 and 360 had very little memory making it hard to make an MMO for them, best option was lobby games like destiny.