How many threads do we need to make about VMA drops for ZOS to listen???

Bigevilpeter

The RNG is horrible, it is not fun to go all the way just to get a rigged RNG useless weapon. Why are they doing this? everyone seems to hate it and it is not fun in any way to run VMA hundreds of times and still not get the weapon you need.

Leader boards is still there for people to keep coming back to VMA, but forcing people to keep coming to VMA because of horrible RNG is very cheap.

Listen to your freaking customers ZOS, many people quit because of crappy VMA rng and personally I am not far off from that.

Tempah

lol

Pops_ND_Irish

Send mats and gold

Junipus

Another 3000 should do, then they'll provide another response.
Another 6000 will provide a dev response.
Another 10,000 will provide a response with a feature change
Another 30,000 will provide a response with a positive feature change.

Time to get spamming OP.

bebynnag

i know right!

the rng is awful in there

ive done it almost 10 times now and all i have is

a decicive lightning staff

1 precise & 1 powered resto staff

a nirn greatsword

1 charged, 1 precice, 1 infused & 1 sharpened battleaxe

a decicive bow

(jk, bragging, rngeebus loves me)

Tryxus

- The RNG of loot, like Undaunted chests, are considered a "pain point" that the team is considering ways to solve, with a token system possibly being one such way.
- If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

From this

DRXHarbinger

Took me a year to get the staff. Probably near 1k runs. Keep going. One calendar year from your first stormproof then you can come complain about the rng. It's still better than getting 9 winterborn pieces back to back.

KingYogi415

This is the one.

I can feel it!

Palidon

ZOS will not change its RNG. That is how they keep you playing their game of farming. Otherwise they would of implemented at token system. You can either just stop the farm or continue to do VMA over and over again. Once I completed VMA is was done the achievement was completed. You do not need the MS weapons to be competitive in this game anyways.

Meld777

KingYogi415 wrote: »

This is the one.

I can feel it!

Yes! The vibe coming from this thread... I can already picture the response.

Probably something along the lines of "We had to remove a few posts..."

Xerton

Excaltic

It's a quite simple fix ZOS has to make:

Add an extra difficulty (Torture mode) for leaderboarders to vMSA / Dungeons / Trials

- Normal mode (for beginners) -> No vMSA weapons
- Veteran mode (for advanced casual gamers) -> vMSA weapons & no leaderboards
- Torture mode (for people with OCD) -> vMSA weapons & leaderboards & extra title

The rewards will be the same from Veteran and Torture modes, just only Torture mode will have leaderboards for "recognition".

Veteran mode difficulty will be toned down so (enthusiastic) casual gamers you can complete it with ease in 30minutes and actually grind for vMSA weapons (which will still be a LONG road), instead of completing it once and never touching it again.

Torture mode will be made a LOT harder, since the "pro's" don't have any challenge anymore right now and still want recognition in leaderboard for their "pro" skills.

It's a small tweak for ZOS, everyone will be happy, except for the griefers who don't like seeing other players happy while playing a game and they will demand other players experiencing grief and frustration like they do or want to have.

Introducing this system to all dungeons / trials / arenas will brighten up Elder Scrolls Online a lot. If any dev / community manager reads this post, please seriously consider this, it will improve your game for the majority of the (enthusiastic) casual gamers who play ESO, and will most likely bind them longer to your game.

idk

Zos made a statement that they are looking into gear drop RNG and considering various options including tokens. It did not say vMA specifically but there is not reason to think it would not include vMA.

A thread was created in this forum just this week with a link to the information.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Lol getting charged Maelstrom weapons is torture enough.

I just got tired of running it. My best inferno staff is precise but the trait inbalance is quite noticeable comparing it to a sharpened staff.

I must insist that the issue is not RNG per se but the fact that we have a big pool of useless traits.

Good thing is they're "considering" token system for Morrowind. Anything is better than the current system which is just pure luck, 0 skills.

jlboozer

Just 1 more...

AzraelKrieg

Surely one more will do it. Go for it, make it sometime next week after this one has died down.

Turelus

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

xboxNA corin6

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

I was just about to post this beat me too it. They are aware, they just haven't admitted what they are going to do.

jakeedmundson

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

EDIT: on top of a random VMA gold weapon, throw in chances for some new motif and/or pets, mounts, etc. for earning a leader board spot. Then watch the influx of vma runs...

AzraelKrieg

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

Rich practically lives in vMA

jakeedmundson

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

Rich practically lives in vMA

Great... so what's the number?

AzraelKrieg

jakeedmundson wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

Rich practically lives in vMA

Great... so what's the number?

Well, probably at least once a day, has been doing so for many months since Orsinium launch, so I'm guess at least over 300

GeneralPardon

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

Rich practically lives in vMA

Thats not what they want to hear so it's gonna be dismissed as a bs story

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jakeedmundson

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GeneralPardon wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Rich Lambert also hasn't gotten a sharpened inferno staff from vMA yet, either.

It would be nice to know how many times the devs actually ran vma.... Has rich not gotten one yet after 10 runs? or 200?

The fact that people are having to do this arena hundreds of times to get the desired weapon should have been an INSTANT alarm.

Make it easier to get a desired weapon... and put different incentives for the score/competition side of things. (leaderboard rewards)
Easy peazy lemon squeezy.

Rich practically lives in vMA

Thats not what they want to hear so it's gonna be dismissed as a bs story

It's good to think he is stuck in the same endless garbage as the majority of us... I say majority because these threads are more common than any other thread in the forums.

There are VERY few people that actually do this arena for top scores... mostly because the scores (and leader board rewards) are pretty much meaningless. Thinking that he is in the same boat for items... could mean there's some hope for a change in the RNG.

EDIT: but you ARE right about one thing... the story isn't confirmed in any way yet. Unless he tells us, no one knows how many times he has really run it... and what his reasons are for running it.

GeneralPardon

Tbh I don't have that much of a problem, yes the system could get some improvements but the BIS weapons should not be rewarded for participation only. All the proposals I've seen so far is that people would get the weapon of choice after 10 runs.
For me that would be 2 days. Thats way too soon.

Turelus

To be clear everyone did see the bit about them looking into addressing RNG right?

The RNG of loot, like Undaunted chests, are considered a "pain point" that the team is considering ways to solve, with a token system possibly being one such way.

Taken from: http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

Asmael

I don't speak german by any mean, but...

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Eine der Informationen, die im Zusammenhang mit der Morrowind-Berichterstattung besprochen wurden, ist die Tatsache, dass sich das Team sehr wohl bewusst ist, wie problematisch das RNG-System ist, und das über Lösungswege, wie möglicherweise ein Tokensystem, nachgedacht wird.

Quick, google translation!

The idea of a discussion as part of the Morrowind coverage is that the team is well aware of how the problematic RNG system, which is about the solutions, as well as a reflection on the System of tokens.

...Yeah, not quite there, but that shud be telling enough.

jakeedmundson

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Tbh I don't have that much of a problem, yes the system could get some improvements but the BIS weapons should not be rewarded for participation only. All the proposals I've seen so far is that people would get the weapon of choice after 10 runs.
For me that would be 2 days. Thats way too soon.

I've never seen one that had a serious idea about 10 runs.... and nobody is asking for a participation trophy. (well, no one that should be taken seriously)

I'm pushing 70 weapons now... i've banked most of them (but have used a few for trait research) just so i can keep a fairly accurate count.... i would consider myself pretty serious about the "farming" aspect and WAY past the "participation" reward. And i've never seen any sharpened destro staff.... or even a precise one.

I went in looking for a sharpened or precise lightning staff ( i know precise isn't that good but i'd take it at this point)
I haven't even had ONE lightning staff - besides the one i might have lost during the other days "error 304" situation...
Does anyone NEED these weapons? most likely, no.... but why put them in the game and not make them attainable because of some poopy drop system?

Bigevilpeter

One of the biggest problem with drops in general in this game is that most of the time only one trait is useful and the rest is trash

Xerton

Asmael wrote: »

I don't speak german by any mean, but...

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Eine der Informationen, die im Zusammenhang mit der Morrowind-Berichterstattung besprochen wurden, ist die Tatsache, dass sich das Team sehr wohl bewusst ist, wie problematisch das RNG-System ist, und das über Lösungswege, wie möglicherweise ein Tokensystem, nachgedacht wird.

Quick, google translation!

The idea of a discussion as part of the Morrowind coverage is that the team is well aware of how the problematic RNG system, which is about the solutions, as well as a reflection on the System of tokens.

...Yeah, not quite there, but that shud be telling enough.

A proper translation:

"One piece of information, that was discussed as part of the Morrowind media coverage, is the fact, that the team is well aware how problematic the RNG-System is and that we are considering solutions such as a possible token system."