Why is every urn in Old Orsinium empty?

chaserstorm16909

I went there today to farm furniture plans, and every single urn was empty. Is there a 24 hour respawn rate or something?

WalkingLegacy

Sorry,

I was slightly ahead of you and looted everything.

DRXHarbinger

Everything is empty everywhere now. They obvs nerfed loot rates with homestead. Keeps the fun going right?

Ackwalan

If I remember correctly, if you do a dwemer dungeon, then do another right after, the second dwemer dungeon urns will be empty. Way back in the stone age, people were farming dwemer motifs, and a timer was put on to stop it.

chaserstorm16909

Ackwalan wrote: »

If I remember correctly, if you do a dwemer dungeon, then do another right after, the second dwemer dungeon urns will be empty. Way back in the stone age, people were farming dwemer motifs, and a timer was put on to stop it.

I see. Okay thank you.

Nestor

The respawn timer on Dwemer Ruins is about 60 Minutes, if nothing has changed. I think if you go to another zone, it is less time. Like 20 minutes, but they muck around with these things behind the scenes all the time as no patch is needed for these changes.

I do not think this applies to Public Dungeons, usually. But I have not gone from one to another in super quick procession. Usually I go into a PD and stay there until my armor is wrecked or my bags are full. In other words, the containers are normally instanced to you, but stay empty until you leave and come back after some time has passed. I think the time is longer than 20 minutes on PDs. In OO, it may have different rules.

Old Orsinium may have had some different rules on it, for no other reason than it was the main farm spot for both Exp and Hides for so long. Plus, there are a ton of Urns in that place.

But, there are some other places in OO that have lots of Urns. Mokuldin is one of them. It will be curious if you find mostly Orc stuff in that zone. I have had an Orc up there lately, and he is mostly finding Orc Patterns and Plans. Plus, the City of Orisnium is full of containers that drop Plans and Patterns and such.

SydneyGrey

Ackwalan wrote: »

If I remember correctly, if you do a dwemer dungeon, then do another right after, the second dwemer dungeon urns will be empty. Way back in the stone age, people were farming dwemer motifs, and a timer was put on to stop it.

I didn't know this. I wonder what the timer is? Sometimes I'm in the mood to do dungeons, and I'll do two or three in a row.

And ZOS ... what the actual heck? It's super hard to get those motifs as it is. I've found ONE dwemer motif in the past two months, and that's from playing every day and constantly checking every container, everywhere.

xXMichonneXx

I logged off in Old Orsinium today after looting all urns, then back on about 15 mins later and they were all full again.

AlMcFly

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

If I remember correctly, if you do a dwemer dungeon, then do another right after, the second dwemer dungeon urns will be empty. Way back in the stone age, people were farming dwemer motifs, and a timer was put on to stop it.

I see. Okay thank you.

Yep. Usually refilled by next day if you've looted the entire city. I know this because once a day I loot 140 fence items before starting my actual gameplay for the day.

Jemcrystal

I was also wondering about crate, box, sack spawn times. Everywhere.

Nestor

OK, did some testing on this.

First, RNG can affect how many Urns are Empty or Lootable each time you log in or go to a Dungeon for the first time. So, they are all empty, come back another time, see below.

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

There is a respawn timer, but I am not sure of the duration or if the duration is set on entrance or exit. But, give your self about 30 minutes between re-entering each PD. The respawn timer does not apply if you go from one PD to another if you have not visited it yet this session.

HatchetHaro

You gotta urn your loot.

brandonv516

Nestor wrote: »

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

Not doubting your testing but on console this is not the case with backpacks.

Nestor

brandonv516 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

Not doubting your testing but on console this is not the case with backpacks.

@brandonv516

I did not test backpacks this time around. Backpacks in the overworld are not instanced like other containers. I do know they were instanced in PDs before, perhaps something changed. I will test that after I finish making my Tapioca Pudding.

Ashtaris

brandonv516 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

Not doubting your testing but on console this is not the case with backpacks.

I have a hard time believing they would do something different with consoles compared to PC's as far as looting backpacks. In a PC group of 4, usually 2 or 3 people will get someting different out of that same backpack, while one or two people might find it empty. They are not going to contain something all the time as that is dictated by RNG.

spencer2361

A better question would be how come inventory items you loot from urns sell for no value

Waffennacht

spencer2361 wrote: »

A better question would be how come inventory items you loot from urns sell for no value

I believe all of those are in "special" styles, like primal etc, and very rarely when you decon them you can get that style stone. I remember back in the day this guy convinced me to grab a ton of those valueless items and decon them (back when daedric hearts were rare) and outta those I did end up receiving 2 hearts. I dunno if that's the case, but that's what I think

spencer2361

Waffennacht wrote: »

spencer2361 wrote: »

A better question would be how come inventory items you loot from urns sell for no value

I believe all of those are in "special" styles, like primal etc, and very rarely when you decon them you can get that style stone. I remember back in the day this guy convinced me to grab a ton of those valueless items and decon them (back when daedric hearts were rare) and outta those I did end up receiving 2 hearts. I dunno if that's the case, but that's what I think

Even rings and necklaces though?

Nestor

@spencer2361

There is a long history of Loot Tables for Containers. Back with 1.6 or perhaps 1.5, 0 Value Loot was introduced to containers like Urns, Furniture, Backpacks etc. For a while, if you did not get a recipe or motif, that was what you were going to get. Over time, more things have been added to those loot tables which include gear that has value. However the 0 value stuff is still there too.

So, just like in the real world, sometimes people have a ring with value in their backpack or nightstand, sometimes the ring came from a cracker jack box.

Astanphaeus

Hall of the Dead is better anyway.

zaria

spencer2361 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

spencer2361 wrote: »

A better question would be how come inventory items you loot from urns sell for no value

I believe all of those are in "special" styles, like primal etc, and very rarely when you decon them you can get that style stone. I remember back in the day this guy convinced me to grab a ton of those valueless items and decon them (back when daedric hearts were rare) and outta those I did end up receiving 2 hearts. I dunno if that's the case, but that's what I think

Even rings and necklaces though?

Diamond rings and amulets worth 0 gold are pretty funny.
As I run with autoloot on I end up with a lot of it. Usually sell to merchant unless bag are full as its faster.

brandonv516

Ashtaris wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

Not doubting your testing but on console this is not the case with backpacks.

I have a hard time believing they would do something different with consoles compared to PC's as far as looting backpacks. In a PC group of 4, usually 2 or 3 people will get someting different out of that same backpack, while one or two people might find it empty. They are not going to contain something all the time as that is dictated by RNG.

"Believe what you like, my sister does not lie!"

Seriously though: Bugs happen.

idk

I am finding urns full at a normal rate. Spent last night and today looting there.

Nestor

Nestor wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Second, all Urns and other Containers are instanced to you. I just did OO with a group of 4 and we all could loot the same Urns

Not doubting your testing but on console this is not the case with backpacks.

@brandonv516

I did not test backpacks this time around. Backpacks in the overworld are not instanced like other containers. I do know they were instanced in PDs before, perhaps something changed. I will test that after I finish making my Tapioca Pudding.

Got a chance to test backpacks, both grouped and ungrouped in Delves and Dungeons. They are instanced to each character.