Wood Elf or Imperial for Stamina Nightblade? +21% Stamina Recovery vs +4% Stamina

Kaide

When it comes down to Imperial vs Bosmer for a Stamina Nightblade build....I think the only racial passives that matter is the Wood Elves +21% Stamina Recovery vs the Imperials +4% Stamina increase (Imperial +10% Stamina - Wood Elf +6% Stamina = +4% Stamina). Which is better?

Entegre

I prefer imperial over cannibal elves. For aesthetics imperial. Wood elf is cool for ganging which is what stamblades do in PvP. Imperial has more health which is always good. And also a tiny self heal with melee damage. Wood elf has more sustain with that stam regeneration. I would say imperial because of health bonus.

zuto40

why not redguard?

Kaide

Entegre wrote: »

I prefer imperial over cannibal elves. For aesthetics imperial. Wood elf is cool for ganging which is what stamblades do in PvP. Imperial has more health which is always good. And also a tiny self heal with melee damage. Wood elf has more sustain with that stam regeneration. I would say imperial because of health bonus.

I've even heard people make arguments that Imperial is the best race for magic builds....and they'd argue that the race with multiple increased base stats is always better than a race with one increased base stat....even if that stat is magic. I'm sure it has something to do with having the ability to move points around. How important is Health end game? Do races benefit that much from +12% Health. I'm asking because I've tanked in several MMORPG's.....without mentioning any names....in some games Health is a big deal when tanking.....in some games you can make up for health with block/dodge etc.....in some games Health is not that important when tanking end game due to healers abilities. How important is Health in this game in PvP and PvE?

Kaide

zuto40 wrote: »

why not redguard?

A few reasons....#1 Aesthetics...this might sound weird....but if I'm forced to play a human character in a game I'd prefer for him to at least look similar to how I look in real life. However, I prefer to NOT play human characters the majority of the time. For instance in WoW I never played as a human and instead preferred Tauren, Undead, and Orc.....the furthest from humans you could get. In Guild Wars I played Asura...tiny alien creatures. I don't want this to come off the wrong way....but if I'm going to play a human I at least want to be able to relate to my character. #2 PvP .....I'm a PvP player and when I look at the Redguard stats I keep thinking PvE. For instance Adrenaline Rush only procs when you are in combat...meaning constantly hitting something. Well in PvP things do not exactly stand around waiting for you to hit them....they're moving....they vanish....you change targets....you get CCed....you flee and then come back to the fight. So many things happen in PvP that I would assume the Wood Elves Y'ffre's Endurance (+21% Stamina Recovery) would be far better than Redguard Adrenaline Rush because it does not require you attacking anything to work. Maybe if a Wood Elf and a Redguard stood side by side in a group beating on the same enemy for 15 minutes....the Redguard "might" edge out the Wood Elf....but I doubt it will be by much. However, in a fluid PvP situation against a Nightblade that uses vanish or a Sorcerer that is really good at kiting....will Adrenaline Rush be better than Y'ffre's Endurance? I seriously doubt it.

GreenSoup2HoT

I prefer Imperial, the least overpowered race of the bunch. The health and stamina bonus are very good. Red Diamond is complete trash and in need of a desperate rework.

Red Guard Adrenaline Rush is the most overpowered racial passive to date (especially after they removed blocking stamina recovery), this passive alone is one of the core issues plaguing this game.

Woodelf's 21% stamina recovery is very good, not going to lie it has made me consider switching to that race from Imperial. Including the sneaky passive.. however the no stamina recovery while sprinting/sneaking (while moving) and blocking has made me realize while playing nightblade stamina recovery is not all that great considering on a nightblade you tend to sprint a lot.


Overall i prefer Imperial. Its balanced and meshes well with Nightblade. Just be sure to use Recovery Drinks in PvP as a recommendation.

Kaide

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I prefer Imperial, the least overpowered race of the bunch. The health and stamina bonus are very good. Red Diamond is complete trash and in need of a desperate rework.

Red Guard Adrenaline Rush is the most overpowered racial passive to date (especially after they removed blocking stamina recovery), this passive alone is one of the core issues plaguing this game.

Woodelf's 21% stamina recovery is very good, not going to lie it has made me consider switching to that race from Imperial. Including the sneaky passive.. however the no stamina recovery while sprinting/sneaking (while moving) and blocking has made me realize while playing nightblade stamina recovery is not all that great considering on a nightblade you tend to sprint a lot.


Overall i prefer Imperial. Its balanced and meshes well with Nightblade. Just be sure to use Recovery Drinks in PvP as a recommendation.

I've seen a lot of people mention how horrible Red Diamond is like you did. However, I've yet to see anyone explain why it is such a bad passive. Can you explain why Red Diamond is so bad? I think I read somewhere that it's effectiveness changes in PvP.

max_only

You can make fat white redguards.

Jk jk

Go with Wood Elf because we are way cuter.

Kaide

max_only wrote: »

You can make fat white redguards.

Jk jk

Go with Wood Elf because we are way cuter.

You can make a white Redguard?

GreenSoup2HoT

Kaide wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I prefer Imperial, the least overpowered race of the bunch. The health and stamina bonus are very good. Red Diamond is complete trash and in need of a desperate rework.

Red Guard Adrenaline Rush is the most overpowered racial passive to date (especially after they removed blocking stamina recovery), this passive alone is one of the core issues plaguing this game.

Woodelf's 21% stamina recovery is very good, not going to lie it has made me consider switching to that race from Imperial. Including the sneaky passive.. however the no stamina recovery while sprinting/sneaking (while moving) and blocking has made me realize while playing nightblade stamina recovery is not all that great considering on a nightblade you tend to sprint a lot.


Overall i prefer Imperial. Its balanced and meshes well with Nightblade. Just be sure to use Recovery Drinks in PvP as a recommendation.

I read a lot of people mentioning how horrible Red Diamond is like you did. However, I've yet to see anyone explain why it is such a bad passive. Can you explain why Red Diamond is so bad? I think I read somewhere that it's effects change in PvP.

Its an RNG passive that scales well only with Health builds and also gets cut in half in PvP.

Its 6% MAX HP with a 10% chance proc. Lets go over some basic numbers. 20k HP= 1.2k, 30k HP= 1800, 40k HP= 2400, 50K HP = 3k. All these cut in half while in pvp.

So for my build specifically which is kind of low health, 23k in pvp i get about 1380 health return. This is cut in half due to battle spirit so its now 690. 690 health return on a 10% chance proc. In some situations you may proc this passive 1-3 times very quickly then sure its not that bad but in reality its so RNG based you cant relie on this passive. Compared to Red Guard Adrenaline Rush you are in control of the passive, you know if you attack every 5 seconds you will proc the passive.. not to mention its stamina that is way more valuable then a little bit of hp.

Getting a small health return is basically worthless in pvp because of how insane healing is at the moment. So a 10% RNG based heal that is usually under 1k is not helpful. On a sun shield build, thats really the only build that makes use of the passive well.


I personally would rather the passive be reworked so we can have some control back. Since Imperials and Red Guards are the 1H+S wielding races they should be compare-able. So to do this Red Diamond needs to function the same way as Adrenaline Rush but restore health (and a much larger amount to be worth using the race).

max_only

Kaide wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

You can make fat white redguards.

Jk jk

Go with Wood Elf because we are way cuter.

You can make a white Redguard?

Kaide wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

You can make fat white redguards.

Jk jk

Go with Wood Elf because we are way cuter.

You can make a white Redguard?

Yes.

zuto40

Kaide wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

why not redguard?

A few reasons....#1 Aesthetics...this might sound weird....but if I'm forced to play a human character in a game I'd prefer for him to at least look similar to how I look in real life. However, I prefer to NOT play human characters the majority of the time. For instance in WoW I never played as a human and instead preferred Tauren, Undead, and Orc.....the furthest from humans you could get. In Guild Wars I played Asura...tiny alien creatures. I don't want this to come off the wrong way....but if I'm going to play a human I at least want to be able to relate to my character. #2 PvP .....I'm a PvP player and when I look at the Redguard stats I keep thinking PvE. For instance Adrenaline Rush only procs when you are in combat...meaning constantly hitting something. Well in PvP things do not exactly stand around waiting for you to hit them....they're moving....they vanish....you change targets....you get CCed....you flee and then come back to the fight. So many things happen in PvP that I would assume the Wood Elves Y'ffre's Endurance (+21% Stamina Recovery) would be far better than Redguard Adrenaline Rush because it does not require you attacking anything to work. Maybe if a Wood Elf and a Redguard stood side by side in a group beating on the same enemy for 15 minutes....the Redguard "might" edge out the Wood Elf....but I doubt it will be by much. However, in a fluid PvP situation against a Nightblade that uses vanish or a Sorcerer that is really good at kiting....will Adrenaline Rush be better than Y'ffre's Endurance? I seriously doubt it.

redguards get 9% max stam recov, 10% max stam, and restore 3% max stam every 5 seconds, if you know what your doing redguard beats any other race for a non gank build, adrenaline rush for me restores 1209 max stam every 5 seconds which equals to an extra 241 recov a second

DocFrost72

Mathematically Imperial is better for a PvP nightblade unless you plan to ambush enemies from stealth all the time. In any other situation, PvP or PvE, bosmer is outperformed statistically speaking by Imperial.

That said my bosmer nightblade has stormproof, my imperial (exact same build) does not, because I like how bosmer look in this game.

Lynx7386

Khajiit, stam recovery and crit

max_only

I'm not joking. You can make a white Redguard. I just made one. Let me upload the pic one min




thats just a place holder name/character. I can make a white male Redguard too, he looks just like a Nord.

So there's no excuse really.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

Recovery is your friend in PVP for long battles and 1vX situations.

Max Resources is your friend for damage output, burst, and ganking.

Depends if you mostly group play or solo.

ku5h

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Mathematically Imperial is better for a PvP nightblade unless you plan to ambush enemies from stealth all the time. In any other situation, PvP or PvE, bosmer is outperformed statistically speaking by Imperial.

That said my bosmer nightblade has stormproof, my imperial (exact same build) does not, because I like how bosmer look in this game.

Imperial is in no shape or form better the Bosmer in PvP. That 21% stam regen is so strong that its borderline OP. Redguard can be better if you want more of strait up fighting and less stealth play.

Bigevilpeter

Wood elves, also for stealth passives in pvp and doing dark brotherhood and thieves guild easier and making a lot of money as a thief

abuniffpreub18_ESO

Quick question if I may. I've seen people talking about Wood Elf builds that are both bow and dual wield. I tried a bow a while back and didn't really care for it. Is it viable to stay with dual wield through end game without switching to another weapon. This will be PvE only, I'm not into PvP.

Thanks

DocFrost72

ku5h wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Mathematically Imperial is better for a PvP nightblade unless you plan to ambush enemies from stealth all the time. In any other situation, PvP or PvE, bosmer is outperformed statistically speaking by Imperial.

That said my bosmer nightblade has stormproof, my imperial (exact same build) does not, because I like how bosmer look in this game.

Imperial is in no shape or form better the Bosmer in PvP. That 21% stam regen is so strong that its borderline OP. Redguard can be better if you want more of strait up fighting and less stealth play.

I forgot that more health, more stamina, healing based on doing damage are useless in PvP. Good thing you have regen though.

Yes, regen is important. Yes 21% is substantial, but it is 21% regen versus health, stamina, and a minor (very very minor) source of healing. If I'm making anything other than a ganker, I can put regen on my rings and enjoy not crumpling in Cyro.

And again, I said either are capable. Sribes is an altmer, and if that doesn't say "any race can work", I don't know what can.

phaneub17_ESO

abuniffpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Quick question if I may. I've seen people talking about Wood Elf builds that are both bow and dual wield. I tried a bow a while back and didn't really care for it. Is it viable to stay with dual wield through end game without switching to another weapon. This will be PvE only, I'm not into PvP.

Thanks

Bows are nice for the extra dots with Endless Hail, Poison Injection and Acid Spray. You start off with Hawkeye buffs to get things going then launch these 3 abilities to maximize the damage. The point here is you're adding Damage Over Time to the targets thus increasing your overall DPS while you do other things with your main weapon. Swap often to keep the dots rolling while you burst it, they really add up especially on boss types.

KingYogi415

Im deleting/race changing both my imperials.

Waste of a class.

Fodore

Imo bosmer is superior to imperial in most ways

kyle.wilson

Why no Khajiit?

mb10

Everyone saying Imperial is worried you'll end up being the guy who ganked them in PVP

Trust me, Bosmer is the way to go. Stamina recovery, extra damage from stealth, max stem

It's not debatable between them and Imperial mate. Pick Bosmer.

JinMori

Kaide wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

why not redguard?

A few reasons....#1 Aesthetics...this might sound weird....but if I'm forced to play a human character in a game I'd prefer for him to at least look similar to how I look in real life. However, I prefer to NOT play human characters the majority of the time. For instance in WoW I never played as a human and instead preferred Tauren, Undead, and Orc.....the furthest from humans you could get. In Guild Wars I played Asura...tiny alien creatures. I don't want this to come off the wrong way....but if I'm going to play a human I at least want to be able to relate to my character. #2 PvP .....I'm a PvP player and when I look at the Redguard stats I keep thinking PvE. For instance Adrenaline Rush only procs when you are in combat...meaning constantly hitting something. Well in PvP things do not exactly stand around waiting for you to hit them....they're moving....they vanish....you change targets....you get CCed....you flee and then come back to the fight. So many things happen in PvP that I would assume the Wood Elves Y'ffre's Endurance (+21% Stamina Recovery) would be far better than Redguard Adrenaline Rush because it does not require you attacking anything to work. Maybe if a Wood Elf and a Redguard stood side by side in a group beating on the same enemy for 15 minutes....the Redguard "might" edge out the Wood Elf....but I doubt it will be by much. However, in a fluid PvP situation against a Nightblade that uses vanish or a Sorcerer that is really good at kiting....will Adrenaline Rush be better than Y'ffre's Endurance? I seriously doubt it.

The redguard passive works like this: every 5 seconds every time you hit a target you get back 3 % of your stamina. i find it very hard to believe that you can't hit the target in 5 seconds. This passive in my opinion is much better then the other, because it scales from your max stamina, allowing you to run a build with much more stamina, which means more damage.

kadar

Redguard = Woodelf > Imperial.

My PVP stamina NB is Wood Elf. If you think there's any possibility you'll run a low recovery build, I'd choose Redguard over Wood elf. If you think you'll do much ganking I'd choose Woodelf. I actually wish my NB was a Redguard cause I've got ~700 Stamina recovery and never gank from stealth xD

MythicEmperor

It depends; do you like Lord of the Rings?

JinMori

Anyway, i would personally go with redguard, it's good for both pvp and pve, if you go wood elf, you are good in pvp, but in pve it's much worse than redguard.

Kaide

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Khajiit, stam recovery and crit

Only problem is crit is worthless in pvp

GreenSoup2HoT

Kaide wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Khajiit, stam recovery and crit

Only problem is crit is worthless in pvp

You are so wrong but i'm not going to explain why to every single person that thinks this is true.