Does races matter a great deal in endgame?

Lyserus

^^here
I'm asking this because I want to fill the races with classes perfectly (2race per class, one go mag/heal another go stam/tank)
Yet right now we are having 6 stam races and 4 mag races (again, make imperial hybrid race ZOS!)

so just wondering if i just choose the races for classes by lore-wise...will that cost my toons to be useless in endgame?

Dr_Rektar

Yes

For instance thar 8% crit khajit passive can help you to have higher scores on the leaderboards

Phica_Lovic

DO********* Races matter

Lyserus

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DO********* Races matter

grammer *** spotted!

SnuggleMePlease

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They do matter to an extent, but they aren't going to make or break your endgame. If you really care about getting every single last stat point end-game, then take race into account. Otherwise, just play whatever race/class combo you want!

Dr_Rektar

Yes

I tested magsorc nord vs magsorc altmer. Same sets same builds. Altmer had 3k more dps

Lyserus

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

I tested magsorc nord vs magsorc altmer. Same sets same builds. Altmer had 3k more dps

one thing i wonder...how do u exactly test dps though?

if say we take survival into consideration then nord should be better than altmer on this field

srfrogg23

No

No, not really. You'll lose 1-5% by not having the "right" racial passives, but Zenimax didn't balance the game around that 1-5% performance.

The game as a whole is balanced around armor, weapons, world skills, guild skills, etc. Even without the "best" racial passives, it is still very possible to be effective for the content assuming you're doing everything else right.

People who are hyper-competitive are really the only ones that are going to be overly concerned with whether or not other people are using the "BiS" racial passives.

Dr_Rektar

Yes

When i m testing dps i do 2 - Bloodspawn singletarget dps test /vAA 1st boss dps test. Survivability doesnt matter so much. Nothing oneshots you in this game if you move.properly and avoid red circles

zaria

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No because of:


Back then we had soft caps it was pretty irrelevant.
Community has an lot of players who want to play an Orc or Khajiit sorcerer, or an Bosmer DK tank.
Racials has survived because nobody cared.
If it become important it dies, or it hit the bottom line for ZoS.

Sometimes greed is good.

Kalfis

No

Yesno.....noyes?

Lyserus

Kalfis wrote: »

Yesno.....noyes?

noyes...yesno??

WuffyCerulei

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Only to serious min/maxers. Most people don't give a crap what race you are as long as you place your class alright. Some people might wince at stam races being magicka and viceversa, but those people are generally the ones who bully people over their builds or yell about how "noob" they are.

aLi3nZ

Yes they do matter quite a lot. I had a v16 dark elf sorc as my first charector. Was ok. Then I tried altamar sorc on the pts and found significantly better sustain and dps. Grinded another sorc all the way to v16 back in the days when there was still veteran ranks and no class change tokens avalible just for the extra class bonuses.

JWKe

No

Sure playing a race that is designed for stamina/magicka definitely makes it easier to play a certain role. But, it's not to say that say if I were to make an Orc Magicka Sorc that i won't be able to perform. I'll still be able to perform. Only not as well as a Helf Magicka Sorc.

kyle.wilson

Yes

zaria wrote: »

No because of:


Back then we had soft caps it was pretty irrelevant.
Community has an lot of players who want to play an Orc or Khajiit sorcerer, or an Bosmer DK tank.
Racials has survived because nobody cared.
If it become important it dies, or it hit the bottom line for ZoS.

Sometimes greed is good.

I had a khajiit magsorc during the soft cap days. He's now a redguard stam sorc.

dday3six

Yes

You can make anything work. With that said, then it's a matter of option on what a 'great deal' actually means. For myself I think they do.

Also keep in mind that some classes get more benefit from the 'right' race than others. For example Mk Dragonknight with Dark Elf and Stamblade with Khajiit.

hmsdragonfly

No

Lyserus wrote: »

^^here
I'm asking this because I want to fill the races with classes perfectly (2race per class, one go mag/heal another go stam/tank)
Yet right now we are having 6 stam races and 4 mag races (again, make imperial hybrid race ZOS!)

so just wondering if i just choose the races for classes by lore-wise...will that cost my toons to be useless in endgame?

Depend on what you mean by "a great deal". It matters a lot if you want to min-max and fight for the leaderboard etc, but other than that, yeah surely 5% more DPS will help you complete a dungeon in 28 mins instead of 30 mins.

I have a Nord stamblade and i am doing just fine.

Zanen

Yes

Yes, they matter quite a lot.

You'll get by with sub-optimal races and it would be rare for anyone to give you a hard time about your race choice but you'll never reach your potential with a bad race/build.

It's a noticeable difference in PVP and since PVE endgame is all time trials it will be noticeable there too.

That isn't to say there are really bad race/class choices anymore, it's just that you need to play that race/class to its advantage.

At a minimum I'd use one of the magicka races and one of the stamina/tank races for each class, and there are certain combinations that are better than others beyond that, like dunmer DK and altmer sorc.

akl77

No

No really, class and gear is all it matters.

hmsdragonfly

No

Zanen wrote: »

Yes, they matter quite a lot.

You'll get by with sub-optimal races and it would be rare for anyone to give you a hard time about your race choice but you'll never reach your potential with a bad race/build.

It's a noticeable difference in PVP and since PVE endgame is all time trials it will be noticeable there too.

That isn't to say there are really bad race/class choices anymore, it's just that you need to play that race/class to its advantage.

At a minimum I'd use one of the magicka races and one of the stamina/tank races for each class, and there are certain combinations that are better than others beyond that, like dunmer DK and altmer sorc.

Actually it's more noticeable in end-game trials because everyone tries to squeeze out every last bit of DPS, while in PvP it's more about surviving, it's more flexible in term of race and build diversity, an Argonian or a Nord stamplar aren't too bad compared to Redguards, Bosmer etc, so unoptimal races are more forgiving.

Zanen

Yes

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Yes, they matter quite a lot.

You'll get by with sub-optimal races and it would be rare for anyone to give you a hard time about your race choice but you'll never reach your potential with a bad race/build.

It's a noticeable difference in PVP and since PVE endgame is all time trials it will be noticeable there too.

That isn't to say there are really bad race/class choices anymore, it's just that you need to play that race/class to its advantage.

At a minimum I'd use one of the magicka races and one of the stamina/tank races for each class, and there are certain combinations that are better than others beyond that, like dunmer DK and altmer sorc.

Actually it's more noticeable in end-game trials because everyone tries to squeeze out every last bit of DPS, while in PvP it's more about surviving, it's more flexible in term of race and build diversity, an Argonian or a Nord stamplar aren't too bad compared to Redguards, Bosmer etc, so unoptimal races are more forgiving.

I don't disagree, Argonian is actually a pretty good race for a lot of builds. I'm not fond of Nords but they'll probably be better in pvp after morrowind.

But combinations like redguard/magicka and altmer/stamina are just bad, so race choices matter. Some matter more than others obviously.

mesmerizedish

No

Racial passives have an effect. Since races get different passives, some races have passives more suited to certain playstyles than others. But the difference this makes is minuscule. If someone says "you can't play with me because you're playing a magicka sorcerer orc," that someone is a massive tool and you don't really want to play with them anyway.

There are certainly playstyles that are so suboptimal that someone playing one can actually sincerely hold back a party, but racial choice will never create such a situation.

There will always be some build or comp that is the best. If the community were to insist that everyone play that single build, the state of the game would be one of nightmarish homogeneity and zero fun.

LordGavus

No

A great deal? No.
Does it make a difference? Yes but it's not huge.

Player knowledge and skill is far more important.
For example, if you can't beat vMA on a nord sorc, swapping to an altmer sorc is not going to suddenly have you smashing it.

Though it is still a good idea to match passive with build.

NoFlash

Short answer. Yes.

cpuScientist

Yes

Lets give the best example. Let's say you have an redguard MagDK. He has no elemental damage bonus or max mag bonus. Now can you still use him and do fine more or less? Yes you can. However you are basically missing out on a bonus to your DPS greater than any set in the game. Being a dunmer would give you about 3k more magic and 7% more damage with fire which is basically on a DK 7% more damage on everything. This is a greater boost to your DPS than julianos or BSW is. Those racials are significant.

However you will still be able to pull high DPS if you have your rotation down and are wearing decent gear and your group buffs are good. But with someone near your skill level on the dunmer race, they would leave you behind.

Remember people farm for minor Slayer and that's just a 5% bonus. Racials matter and make a big difference, but at the end of the day it's really whatever you wanna do.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

Unfortunately - racial passives does matter. Especially in end-game when they can boost your stats. For PvE - it only matters for Vet group dungeons and trails. For PvP - pretty much it is essential for "maxing" stats.

Lets take argonian for example:
Max magicak + 3%
Max Health + 9%

So because of that "3 %" for magicka - magicka based build are better than stamina builds. It is not much - just 3%. But lets take Breton for example:
Max Magicka + 10% - so it HIGHLY determinates that your character will be magicka based.

It would help a lot if there were racial passives "morphs" - so you could adjust it to your play stale & preferences.

theher0not

No

Only a few %. And the things your race is missing can be gained from CP.

Sure a khajiit will never be as good at magica as an altmer, but the difference isn't big enough for it to matter, at least not to me.

(Besides you can always find a way to make your racials usefull some way or abother. For example stam races like Bosmer and Khajiit still have the extra mobility due to their stam regen allowing them to sprint/roll more often. And magica races can use their defensive skills more often due to most of them costing magica)

Bigevilpeter

Yes

They do matter a lot but still u can do all dungeons and trials with any race/class/role its not the end of the world

cpuScientist

Yes

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

They do matter a lot but still u can do all dungeons and trials with any race/class/role its not the end of the world

This here exactly. You'll just never be the best or be able to compete with individuals who are as skilled as you using a more "fitting" race choice. But you can complete everything just fine.

It's the difference between 50kdps and ~45 along with sustain issues lol so maybe ~42k....

Khairiah

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It matters to a certain degree. But if u play ur chosen race/class right u can be almost on par without the optimal race. Most importently it matters whether u enjoy what ur playing.