So now I have to buy the Expansion and extra character slots just to play the Warden??

Bigevilpeter

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

I think if you own the game now and pre- purchase the game you should get 2 character slots. I believe that is an item they could add to the pre-order bundles. Would that make you happy?

As for the expansion costing money, players need to get over it. Other MMO games do the same thing.

If they did that I would be fully satisfied. I never complained on the Expansion charge that is totally reasonable

Sigtric

Also for the record when LOTRO introduced their Beorning class to the game, if you did not have an empty slot for it you had to get it + a slot. The bundle featured the slot at a reduced price but you still had to pay for it.

ESO is not the first.

ThePaleItalian

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Actually it's your problem, purely because you're the one with filled character slots. I have 4 character slots free and can happily make a Warden with no problems whatsoever.

Look at any other MMO and see how many slots they offer and then come again and tell me its my problem. ESO has ridiculously low character slots and the least they can do is add one free with the expansion

WoW has 12

FF has 8

ESO you can have 16

So yea.... next...

God people complain about everything...

Cpt_Teemo

Aeula wrote: »

Personally I think they should add a single slot free for people who purchase morrowind.

Or for anyone that doesn't either to taunt them into buying it for the warden class lol

heaven13

16? I thought the limit right now was 12? With the added two for purchase, it will be 14.

jircris11

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

Can't agree. I'm an altaholic and I still managed to save a character slot. It's not greed is stranded for MMORPGs. You will just need to free space or buy a slot and get over it. Kinda growing tired of all these self entitled people.

Evergnar

They don't add new classes every day in ESO so having to buy an extra character slot (or two) is not a big deal imo.

jedtb16_ESO

Ourorboros wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

you could delete a character

Which one of my nine max level characters do you suggest I delete? All but two have done all mount training. All but three have at least all 8 traits researched. I can't believe the arrogance and lack of sympathy shown to fellow gamers who enjoy this game enough to explore it with a full variety of characters. None of us suspected we needed to hold slots in reserve.

zos has already figured out how to get more money from us with 'chapters'. It wouldn't have hurt them to include one slot with the upgrade game purchase. And it doesn't hurt any of you trolling here thinking this is unreasonable.

9?

as far as i am aware the current limit is twelve...... i could be wrong, i am a socialist after all.

so, unless the arithmetic i learned 60 years ago is wrong, there are still three slots you could use.

BlazingDynamo

Nope. You don't have to do anything.

Llaren_Uvayn

I can't even imagine how much you'd have to play this game to get 8 characters maxed out on horse training and everything. That said, it would seem reasonable to provide an extra character slot with the introduction of a new class, so as not to put people in a place where they'd have to delete a character they have invested lots of time in.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I still have 7 character spots left after 18 months play and no biying of new ones lol

Sigma957

Being a sub I essentially already paid for a character spot with the 1500 crowns I get. I still have 1 free spot left but ZOS are allowing for 2 more when Morrowind is released making it 14 in total. By then I will get 7,500 crowns so getting extra slots is no problem.

Cpt_Teemo

They could atleast give us 1 free of the 2 for everyone, to intice those that didnt get the xpac to get it with that char slot

ADarklore

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Because they added a new class?? Because I pay 40$ for the expansion?? Because respect??

I find it ironic that you expect ZOS to respect you, but everything you say about THEM is completely disrespectful.

Furthermore, you say it costs them nothing, well... except for additional server space... which of course costs money. Millions of accounts with extra 'free' space added, does add up to quite a bit of server space. Additionally, I know other MMOs that expand and do not offer extra character slots, but sell them instead... DCUO comes to mind, and ZOS takes many ideas from DCUO.

MythicEmperor

AlnilamE wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

I don't know what MMOs you played, but I've played GW2 (1 slot free and then 3 more slots if you buy the game), Black Desert (started with 4 free slots and added 2 more when they added extra classes) and The Secret World (3 slots).

Those are all far less than 8 slots out of the box.

That said, I wouldn't complain about a free character slot, but I've still not expanded to 12, like some of my friends did, so I have room to grow.

I'm talking about WoW and SWTOR and one of the games you mentioned added slots when they added a new class which is logical. And im guess gw gives you more if you sub or something havent played it yet but im sure this cant be it.

The other ones u mentioned should have also something like that other than they are already not very popular games im talking about the AAA mmos

I have not played WoW or SWOTR, so I don't know how many slots they give. You could have mentioned that. ;-)

As I said, I would not complain about a free character slot, but ZOS probably has data showing that only 10% of players have all 8 slots filled, let alone 12.

That 90% simply wouldn't be accurate. It could be the players who quit after making out of the tutorial. It could be the bot accounts that are generated. It could be many things, just like the statistics showing that such a low percentage of the playerbase has upgraded their bag space. It simply doesn't represent the playerbase as a whole. I know that your statement is just an example, but even if it was the other way around, ZOS' statistics don't seem to represent the average player.

Hammy01

Has ZOS said they will not be giving extra character slots with the Morrowind chapter?

For all the white knights defending ZOS on everything.... Please stop it because it makes you look foolish. Just because you still have extra slots left does not mean everyone else does nor does it mean you are in the right for not using up you slots. Some of us have used up our free slots for various reasons and cannot / will not nor should we have to delete one or more characters just so we can play a new class that WE ARE PAYING FOR!! That is right we are paying for it because it is not part of the base game and is only available to those who buy the Morrowind chapter.

Hammy01

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Actually it's your problem, purely because you're the one with filled character slots. I have 4 character slots free and can happily make a Warden with no problems whatsoever.

Look at any other MMO and see how many slots they offer and then come again and tell me its my problem. ESO has ridiculously low character slots and the least they can do is add one free with the expansion

WoW has 12

FF has 8

ESO you can have 16

So yea.... next...

God people complain about everything...

Wow was 12 per server... and there were a lot of servers!

trbrelinskib14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

Well, you don't HAVE TO do anything...

Catering to your specific play-style or your addiction to Alt characters SHOULD NEVER BE a Zenimax concern.

Zenimax creates the content and decides on a price point (which; I sub, and I've already pre-ordered two copies of Morrowind, so it's safe to say I agree with the Morrowind business model).

YOU decide how you're going to manage your stable of characters. That is IN NO WAY Zenimax's concern.

Its just weird how people defend ZOS even when they are being as greedy as hell, just because they need to make money. They can still make money while showing respect to their customers and thus get more customer satisfaction and a bigger playerbase.

Greedy as hell? Are you actually thinking here? You have access to the game with no subscription WITH NO reduction from how it was when it was a subscription only game. This is not greedy as hell. You want to see a greedy model. Look at other free to play games that have reduced inventory, in game coin caps, and other restrictions that you have to either subscribe to get rid of or purchase unlocks in the game store to get rid of (thinking of LOTRO and SWTOR). ZOS is defniitely one of the least greedy companies out there with a free to play MMO.

You do realize a free game is not free...right? It costs the same to produce and create as when all MMO's where subscription only. They need to find a way to make up that money somewhere in order to continue to provide this content. I'm assuming since you are on the forums you most likely play the game...? If you really don't like the game or what you think ZOS is doing then stop complaining and go play another game you think isn't greedy.

trbrelinskib14_ESO

Ourorboros wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

you could delete a character

Which one of my nine max level characters do you suggest I delete? All but two have done all mount training. All but three have at least all 8 traits researched. I can't believe the arrogance and lack of sympathy shown to fellow gamers who enjoy this game enough to explore it with a full variety of characters. None of us suspected we needed to hold slots in reserve.

zos has already figured out how to get more money from us with 'chapters'. It wouldn't have hurt them to include one slot with the upgrade game purchase. And it doesn't hurt any of you trolling here thinking this is unreasonable.

Obviously you have a preconceived idea that ZOS is evil and they are being greedy... Which is wrong on both accounts. And no matter what they do, they are always trying to take from you... Feeling a bit entitled that you have so graciously given ZOS your money and time so they owe you more? Seems to me the shoe is on the other foot here...

Just like it has been said before on this thread. The data ZOS has most likely shows that the majority of players haven't used much of their 8 initial character slots. So doesn't see a need to include slots for free. If you used up yours...don't get mad at them for not giving you another free thing... I've already used all 12 slots. I'm going to purchase two more. That's my choice to use all them up. I do not expect ZOS to give it to me free. Unreasonable.

Just like they had numbers that showed a huge percentage of characters haven't even purchased any inventory upgrades...the reason they didn't add storage in the Homestead initial release. It didn't seem to be needed at release and that gave them more time to develop the other content that was really required instead of adding a storage system in the houses.

trbrelinskib14_ESO

Hammy01 wrote: »

Has ZOS said they will not be giving extra character slots with the Morrowind chapter?

For all the white knights defending ZOS on everything.... Please stop it because it makes you look foolish. Just because you still have extra slots left does not mean everyone else does nor does it mean you are in the right for not using up you slots. Some of us have used up our free slots for various reasons and cannot / will not nor should we have to delete one or more characters just so we can play a new class that WE ARE PAYING FOR!! That is right we are paying for it because it is not part of the base game and is only available to those who buy the Morrowind chapter.

I look foolish for pointing out how entitled and foolish you sound? <chuckle>

heaven13

Fun fact. You can make a statistic say whatever you want if you word it the right way or include/exclude certain demographics. As someone mentioned above, that 10% might include anyone; including bots, those who played for a free weekend, those who bought a second account for storage, etc. We have no way of knowing what actual demographics were included in any of these percentages that are being touted as reasons for why ZoS does what they do.

mb10

You dont have to do anything tbh

JKorr

Llaren_Uvayn wrote: »

I can't even imagine how much you'd have to play this game to get 8 characters maxed out on horse training and everything. That said, it would seem reasonable to provide an extra character slot with the introduction of a new class, so as not to put people in a place where they'd have to delete a character they have invested lots of time in.

Some of the players have been here, playing steadily since early access. Its my main hobby, so if I have time I play.

I have 12 characters that I play on a regular basis on one account; all have maxed inventory space, all have maxed riding skills. 9 of them have maxed werewolf. I have 4 maxed provisioners, 2 maxed alchemists, 2 maxed enchanters, 2 maxed smith/wood/clothing 9 traits crafters with most of the motifs. I'm working on the others, juggling the skill level with the materials level so I can keep farming mats. My second account is used, but not as often, and I've only got 8 characters on that one.

I've made and deleted several other characters on my main account that I ended up not being happy with. It would hurt, but I could drop one of my current 12 to make a warden. Since the opportunity to buy two more slots will be there, I won't have to.

trbrelinskib14_ESO

heaven13 wrote: »

Fun fact. You can make a statistic say whatever you want if you word it the right way or include/exclude certain demographics. As someone mentioned above, that 10% might include anyone; including bots, those who played for a free weekend, those who bought a second account for storage, etc. We have no way of knowing what actual demographics were included in any of these percentages that are being touted as reasons for why ZoS does what they do.

<chuckle> Fun fact.

Yes we have no way of knowing. But I don't automatically assume ZOS is lying. That would be rather prejudice of me.

The issue I have with people attacking ZOS over this and some other stuff on the forums here is the majority of the complaints are frankly unreasonable. Most of the arguments seem to be coming from a completely selfish sense of entitlement. There seems to be an absolute pre-judgement against ZOS that no matter what they do, they are trying to screw people over... And everything that ZOS does, ZOS is then immediately guilty of whatever they want ZOS to be guilty of. Hence the term prejudice... (pre-judge) I know it is pretty popular these days to bash game companies for preconceived notions that they are fleecing you. Sure some have done it... but the vast majority have not.

ZOS has done nothing to show they are trying to fleece people. Read my other comments in this thread about how other games restrict free to play accounts and force you to spend money to unlock those restrictions to have access to the full base game without restrictions. ZOS doesn't do this.

Crown Crates are not fleecing. They are there for people that like to spend a bit less on something (because of the random chance) and see what they can get. No one is making you buy them and they are not required to play the game. Some people find it fun to buy them. Just another option for people to mess around with.

The Crown Store has nothing in it that you actually need to buy in order to play the full game without restrictions. It's there for people who want to buy stuff for cosmetic additions or convenience. It's up to you if you want to use it. It is not needed to play the game. It's also there for non ESO+ members to easily purchase the DLC packs that have been released. This is not fleecing the players.

ESO+ membership is reasonable and gives you much more value than what you are paying for since the money you spend is already equal to the free coins you get per month... all the other stuff is gravy on top of that. Again, not fleecing...

They are trying to make a game that has great content and a lot of people want to play. And make that game fun and add a lot of stuff to it... that takes money period. The game is free to play... so they are giving multiple options for people to chose how they want to support the game they love to play. That's what my ESO+ subscription is...one of those options. I am choosing to support ZOS so they can continue to produce the quality of product I like to play. They make a great game and I want that to continue. They aren't stealing money from me. They are actually providing multiple ways for people to chose how to support the game and not the one subscription model. That is not fleecing.

P.S. And no I'm not pre-judging others in this... I said seems to be...very different than accusing people...

heaven13

• Pay to Play (P2P): Subscription based model. Requires subscription, usually monthly, usually also with initial purchase of software.
• Buy to Play (B2P): Users purchase initial software. Can play after that for "free" indefinitely (or the life of the servers or whatnot).
• Free to Play (F2P): Software is free to download to anyone, no price point. Microtransactions are optional (though can become a pay to win (P2W) situation).

The game is not free to play. The game is buy to play. You have to purchase it, in SOME form (1T, Gold Edition, now Morrowind edition, etc) before you can play it. Stop calling it free to play and comparing it to other free to play games.

Additionally, I'm not attacking ZoS. Anywhere in my posts. The only reason I mentioned that is there are some users who keep quoting these statistics as some kind of evidence or proof of something to defend ZoS's actions, without having access to the numbers or demographics. It's not any more accurate or true than people reciting statistics in a way to criticize practices either.

It's the same as people making polls in these forums and thinking those polls are somehow adequate representation of the entire player base.

As for whether the optional subscription continues to hold value; that's pretty subjective. Depends on whether one uses the Crowns, the Crafting Bag, needs the XP or gold boost. Each person gets out of it what they find value in. But there are plenty of threads on that while this one is focused on character slots.

AzuraKin

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

is swtor you are limited to 6 toons, wizard101 6 toons, many games limit you to 3 toons.

Bigevilpeter

AzuraKin wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

is swtor you are limited to 6 toons, wizard101 6 toons, many games limit you to 3 toons.

what??? 6 toons in swtor? I have at least 12 on one server without paying anything other than sub ofc since its a f2p game. please stop making up stuff

Kendo12

the slots should be free with the xpac

shootyoureyeout

Typically when you use up all of a thing you have and want more of that thing you have to buy more, yes.

MLGProPlayer

Evergnar wrote: »

They don't add new classes every day in ESO so having to buy an extra character slot (or two) is not a big deal imo.

It's $30 for 2 slots... That's quite a bit of money for two character slots, which provide no value to the player. That's the same price as Orsinium, a 20 hour DLC.

I have spare slots so I don't care, but some people have filled theirs up.

Sure ZOS doesn't have to give us anything, but they come off as trying to nickel and dime the player base if they don't (because that's exactly what they're doing).