So now I have to buy the Expansion and extra character slots just to play the Warden??

Bigevilpeter

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

EDIT: Who brings these posts back seriously, this post was over a month ago only to open now and find 44 notifications. While I'm think the same thing till now, i'm surprised how people are free enough to go and get a post from a month ago and revitalize it

Siekobilly_ESO

Paying for Morrowind I understand. I might not fully agree with it, but I do understand. Them adding a new class, and not providing character slots on the other hand is pretty silly to say the least.

JD2013

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Uriel_Nocturne

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

Well, you don't HAVE TO do anything...

Catering to your specific play-style or your addiction to Alt characters SHOULD NEVER BE a Zenimax concern.

Zenimax creates the content and decides on a price point (which; I sub, and I've already pre-ordered two copies of Morrowind, so it's safe to say I agree with the Morrowind business model).

YOU decide how you're going to manage your stable of characters. That is IN NO WAY Zenimax's concern.

Agobi

Yes you do..Zo$ is in the business of making money...and this is one of the ways they do just that

Bigevilpeter

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Browiseth

you could delete a character

Vrienda

Personally I think they should add a single slot free for people who purchase morrowind.

Bigevilpeter

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

Well, you don't HAVE TO do anything...

Catering to your specific play-style or your addiction to Alt characters SHOULD NEVER BE a Zenimax concern.

Zenimax creates the content and decides on a price point (which; I sub, and I've already pre-ordered two copies of Morrowind, so it's safe to say I agree with the Morrowind business model).

YOU decide how you're going to manage your stable of characters. That is IN NO WAY Zenimax's concern.

Its just weird how people defend ZOS even when they are being as greedy as hell, just because they need to make money. They can still make money while showing respect to their customers and thus get more customer satisfaction and a bigger playerbase.

Foxic

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Simple. You try warden on the pts, and if you like it more than one of your current characters. You delete them and make a warden

Bigevilpeter

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Simple. You try warden on the pts, and if you like it more than one of your current characters. You delete them and make a warden

And why don't they give at least one free character slot with the expansion and show some appreciation to their customers?

JD2013

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Actually I do believe it's your problem, purely because you're the one with filled character slots. I have 4 character slots free (without even buying extra slots) and can happily make a Warden with no problems whatsoever.

Emencie

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Beta player here.
I have never bought a slot
I have enough free slots to make 5 Wardens.

I understand you have a problem but we are all not in the same boat as you.

Siekobilly_ESO

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

@JD2013

It's a logical enhancement when adding a new class. IIRC WoW has added at least one slot each time they added a class. It comes with the purchase of the expansion. Diablo 2 added character slots with the addition of the Assassin, and Druid in Lord of Destruction. Diablo 3 added 2 slots with the purchase of Reaper of Souls, and will include 2 more slots when you purchase the Necromancer pack.

Adding a class to an established game results in people wanting to use said class. If the class was free I could see a charge for the slots, but since the class is not free, and is in fact part of a paid expansion, then not providing at least one slot with the purchase of said content is nickel-and-diming at best.

Bigevilpeter

JD2013 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

Actually it's your problem, purely because you're the one with filled character slots. I have 4 character slots free and can happily make a Warden with no problems whatsoever.

Look at any other MMO and see how many slots they offer and then come again and tell me its my problem. ESO has ridiculously low character slots and the least they can do is add one free with the expansion

JKorr

Nope. You can buy Morrowind, and delete one of your characters to make a warden. Only the cost of the game is involved.

No one is "forcing" you to do anything. Personal preference if you don't want to delete any of your current characters.

Alternative; buy the version that includes the base game and make a second unsubbed account. Instant 8 new slots to make as many wardens as you want, no buying extra slots for your current account. Slightly more expensive at $59.99, but it includes both original game and Morrowind, and gives you 8 character slots, so maybe not a bad deal.

Waffennacht

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

Bigevilpeter

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

JKorr

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

Its sort of correct. They are allowing the purchase of two additional character slots.

GinaBruno: To confirm, we do plan on adding the option to purchase two additional character slots from the Crown Store when we release Morrowind in June.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3748117/#Comment_3748117

Uriel_Nocturne

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Bigevilpeter

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Because they added a new class?? Because I pay 40$ for the expansion?? Because respect??

Siekobilly_ESO

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Why would you defend an arguably anti-consumer practice. I'm not being an ass, I'm genuinely curious as to why you are defending this. I'd agree if the new class was free, but being paid for content makes it a bad move on ZOS's part. I'd also challenge you to find an MMO that introduced a class with a paid for expansion that did not provide an extra character slot with said purchase. I researched it, and couldn't find one. It's just something nice that companies do when you spend your hard earned money on their product.

Bigevilpeter

The bare minimum should be 2 slots for each class so you can have a mgika and a stamina of each class if you want. Its not irreasonable to as for as much, but there are those who will defend ZOS no matter what

nine9six

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I haven't bought any extra character slots so far, I have 8 slots one magika and one stamina of each class almost all full leveled horse trained etc.

With the release of Morrowind I will have to upgrade the game for 40$ then add another 30$ for 2 extra warden slots??

Really ZOS?? you will add a new class and punish those who actually play the game a lot and have a lot of characters by not giving something as simple as a free 2 extra character slots which won't cost you a thing? 8 was already very low for any MMO I have ever played.

The greed is getting worse over time and I'm starting to reach my limit. I paid a lot in this game and really enjoy it but things like that just feels cheap and really puts me off from this game.

Well, you don't HAVE TO do anything...

Catering to your specific play-style or your addiction to Alt characters SHOULD NEVER BE a Zenimax concern.

Zenimax creates the content and decides on a price point (which; I sub, and I've already pre-ordered two copies of Morrowind, so it's safe to say I agree with the Morrowind business model).

YOU decide how you're going to manage your stable of characters. That is IN NO WAY Zenimax's concern.

Beat me to the post.

Abeille

Aeula wrote: »

Personally I think they should add a single slot free for people who purchase morrowind.

I wouldn't say "free", but I would have expected it as one of the Collector's Edition or preorder bonus. I would certainly prefer it over that one Crown Crate, although I don't have a use for either (I'm not making new characters, I'm rerolling).

AlnilamE

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So ... You want free stuff because you're an altoholic?

Just trying to understand your side of things.

Its not free stuff, its a logical thing to do since a lot of the older players probably filled all their character slots and most importantly it doesn't cost them a thing and at the same time their starting 8 character slots is the lowest I saw in any MMO.

If that doesn't make sense to you then thats your problem

I don't know what MMOs you played, but I've played GW2 (1 slot free and then 3 more slots if you buy the game), Black Desert (started with 4 free slots and added 2 more when they added extra classes) and The Secret World (3 slots).

Those are all far less than 8 slots out of the box.

That said, I wouldn't complain about a free character slot, but I've still not expanded to 12, like some of my friends did, so I have room to grow.

Uriel_Nocturne

Siekobilly_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Why would you defend an arguably anti-consumer practice. I'm not being an ass, I'm genuinely curious as to why you are defending this. I'd agree if the new class was free, but being paid for content makes it a bad move on ZOS's part. I'd also challenge you to find an MMO that introduced a class with a paid for expansion that did not provide an extra character slot with said purchase. I researched it, and couldn't find one. It's just something nice that companies do when you spend your hard earned money on their product.

I... don't actually have any onus to defend my position on anything.

But, Socratic method: Why should ZOS take the time and effort to create something as deep and involved as an entirely new Character Class, work it into their story for Morrowind, retroactively update the code so that it works with the base game, but yet give it to you "for free"?

As I've said before; it's up to you on how you manage your individual stables' of characters. Delete one or two, buy one or two new character slots... whatever. ZOS gives you complete control over that, and the ability to have more space than the base game allows. But that's YOUR personal decision.

Why should ZOS spend the effort and man hours to create a new class, just to "give it away"?

Kodrac

They could've given us 20 slots at launch and an altoholic would've filled them all up. Trust me I know. So the whole "they didn't give enough slots" thing is moot. I'm just going to delete one of my unused lowbies.

Uriel_Nocturne

Kodrac wrote: »

They could've given us 20 slots at launch and an altoholic would've filled them all up. Trust me I know. So the whole "they didn't give enough slots" thing is moot. I'm just going to delete one of my unused lowbies.

Exactly. Well said.

sevomd69

Siekobilly_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I had heard 2 slots come with the expansion,

Is that not correct?

2 extra slots you can pay for

I still don't see the problem. You can buy extra slots now, in the crown store.

Why should ZOS "gift" you with slots?

Why would you defend an arguably anti-consumer practice. I'm not being an ass, I'm genuinely curious as to why you are defending this. I'd agree if the new class was free, but being paid for content makes it a bad move on ZOS's part. I'd also challenge you to find an MMO that introduced a class with a paid for expansion that did not provide an extra character slot with said purchase. I researched it, and couldn't find one. It's just something nice that companies do when you spend your hard earned money on their product.

Its actually not an anti-consumer stance... being a consumer myself... of a game I immensely enjoy... I want ZOS to make as much money as they can so they remain viable and are able to continue bringing out new content... so for me charging for the new character slots is a good thing for this consumer...

NewBlacksmurf

Your pointing out yet another reality from a developer who doesn't offer customer friendly opportunity in exchange for real money.

Comments will treat you like you're crazy or off

Ya know they...ZOS...even use the suggestion that it's like other MMO expansions but then they say ESO isn't like any other MMO

They continue to use double speak

Maybe for you it's a good idea not to buy it.
I think we have all yet again reached that point where it just may not be worth it