Why people are overreacting about the last ESO news?

Dr_Resilient

The game evolves, not for good sometimes, or at least not how we want. Sometimes we get frustrated, but at the end of the day, it's a game after all, we're here to have fun, distract from the real world. Is up to you to balance if the changes/money are comfortably, and decide if you want to stay in the game or leave, or continue being a ESO+ subscriber or whatever. Slow down the rage(for a few ones), the world is not going to end.

NovaShadow

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

Smokeytripod

*Reads thread title*

People just like overreacting to things I guess, I mean yes it is a pain in the butt that Morrowind isn't part of ESO+ but it's not the end of the world (I sub too so yeah).

Also being told the new roadmap on content to come yesterday rather then today may have helped...just sayin

Qyrk

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

Deceptive_Yoshi

Well as long as this expansion or chapter is worth the $40 I'm not complaining but eso+ should at least have some access to it's features.

Balamoor

Qyrk wrote: »

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

No rational thinking here. This is a place of hysteria and over reaction.

jedtb16_ESO

because it's the internet....

that's what people do on the internet..... especially on game forums.

Dantonian_Rarstiana

I get why people are angry that they have to pay for the "expansion" when the game model has been "subscribers get all content" for so long.

What I don't get are the people "crying" because the reveal gave them so much nostalgia and they are so excited.

Have a seat little Timmy. This is the world of online gaming, where a release has never once lived up to the hype.
I would honestly go so far as to say the Hype and the Quality have an inverse relationship.

Come June there will be a very large fallout of players when they realize this "expansion" was just ZOS cashing in on our nostalgia giving us an "expansion" that vaguely resembles a game we all loved, while adding content that should have been in at the launch of the original game and introducing truck loads of new bugs.

Like deltia said about his reveal video "the game is living up to the hype". Really Deltia? Its 5 months away. You basically said the hype is living up to the hype.
But by all means, flop around half naked in your house with excitement. What could possibly go wrong.

Stovahkiin

Because people are dumb and ignore the fact that this is NOT the first game to do this exact same thing. They like to pretend that Zeni is just a giant greed machine, I guess it helps them sleep at night.

NovaShadow

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

If you read what I said the 'screw you' was BEFORE they released more information. I disagree with how it was handled, it felt like I was lied to/betrayed. Promised one thing only to be delivered another.

Now I see where they're going thanks to the Road Ahead but I will no longer take them at their word.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I really havent seen to many people raging. Ive seen people expressing their displeasure. And other people disagreeing with them. And then your normal amount of trolls. But not really much rage.

Qyrk

NovaShadow wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

If you read what I said the 'screw you' was BEFORE they released more information. I disagree with how it was handled, it felt like I was lied to/betrayed. Promised one thing only to be delivered another.

Now I see where they're going thanks to the Road Ahead but I will no longer take them at their word.

I still stand that for people like me, the announcement wasn't really a big 'screw you ESO+' before they released more information. Any who people are entitled to feel what they feel and I'm sorry that you felt betrayed. I take any development plans in games with a grain of salt, maybe that's why I didn't feel the same as you. Although the timing of ZOS announcement can be better for other people like you to have that comfort

Any who , it's not like this is ever the first game that have a sub model but decided to charge for expansions.

NovaShadow

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

If you read what I said the 'screw you' was BEFORE they released more information. I disagree with how it was handled, it felt like I was lied to/betrayed. Promised one thing only to be delivered another.

Now I see where they're going thanks to the Road Ahead but I will no longer take them at their word.

I still stand that for people like me, the announcement wasn't really a big 'screw you ESO+' before they released more information. Any who people are entitled to feel what they feel and I'm sorry that you felt betrayed. I take any development plans in games with a grain of salt, maybe that's why I didn't feel the same as you. Although the timing of ZOS announcement can be better for other people like you to have that comfort

Any who , it's not like this is ever the first game that have a sub model but decided to charge for expansions.

If you've got past experience with this kind of development/re-direction then I can see how you're reacting the way you are. I personally have no experience, so taking a company at their word only for that word to keep changing gets old real fast and does feel like a betrayal.

From here on out however I'll take everything with a grain of salt as such.

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Dr_Resilient

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

It depends. Maybe detailing first and giving the 'bad news' would slow down the hype, and make the community less receptive and more pessimistic. But I got your point.

Dr_Resilient

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

I get why people are angry that they have to pay for the "expansion" when the game model has been "subscribers get all content" for so long.

What I don't get are the people "crying" because the reveal gave them so much nostalgia and they are so excited.

Have a seat little Timmy. This is the world of online gaming, where a release has never once lived up to the hype.
I would honestly go so far as to say the Hype and the Quality have an inverse relationship.

Come June there will be a very large fallout of players when they realize this "expansion" was just ZOS cashing in on our nostalgia giving us an "expansion" that vaguely resembles a game we all loved, while adding content that should have been in at the launch of the original game and introducing truck loads of new bugs.

Like deltia said about his reveal video "the game is living up to the hype". Really Deltia? Its 5 months away. You basically said the hype is living up to the hype.
But by all means, flop around half naked in your house with excitement. What could possibly go wrong.

We need to wait more information come out and see I supose. I'm not a ESO+, and I always pay for DLC's(still don't have all of them), so for me, it's not a big deal.

I agree with you, some of the content should have been introduced at the launch, and I have a step back with those things, all I know is money is always behind.

Daimmyo

Situation is generally tensed throughout the world, I believe huge percentage of people is directing frustration away from the real world onto something pretty much trivial.

I also think it's much better like that, and wish that more people would express their frustrations in and around video games, as long as it is just far away from the real world.

I do not think developers should take all the hits, but hey, if it's going to save some lives, it's a worthy sacrifice.

IMHO

Dr_Resilient

Daimmyo wrote: »

Situation is generally tensed throughout the world, I believe huge percentage of people is directing frustration away from the real world onto something pretty much trivial.

I also think it's much better like that, and wish that more people would express their frustrations in and around video games, as long as it is just far away from the real world.

I do not think developers should take all the hits, but hey, if it's going to save some lives, it's a worthy sacrifice.

IMHO

People should activate Shuffle and move on.

All that frustration being dumped on forums/in game are not good for everyone, and makes being in the game unhealthy.

SydneyGrey

Much of it is that people now think of all expansions as being "DLC," when game companies don't think that way. Bethesda has always considered expansions separate from what people think "DLC" is. The reason is of course that before DLC existed, expansions were packaged on CD and put into retail stores because you COULDN'T download them at the time. Then companies started coming out with separate DLC that you could actually download, but it was always a smaller amount of content.

So Bethesda feels like expansions and DLC are two separate things, although the lines are pretty blurry now.

NewBlacksmurf

Ppl get tired of being told to change
Ppl get upset about being told one thing and every year it changes

MissBizz

I've already gotten over this, so I'm not feeling this way now... But to help you understand...

I started playing this game as a sub game. I paid for the game and expected costs were to be $155/year.

Then they changed it... To buy to play, which funnily enough made it WAY more expensive for me. Something to the tune of $450 I spent last year. Yes. This was sub plus crowns etc. So a lot of optional stuff, I understand that's all optional stuff and not needed to play.

Now... Im being told the monetization model is changing yet again. Which literally does nothing but ensure I'll never get 4 DLCs per year under my sub (no, not saying they ever promised it, but it definitely could have happened once they got the base game adjusted with the features they wanted at launch) and cost me more money. I expected expansions under this model, but figured something more like every other year. So as of yesterday, I was totally fine paying for an expansion since the game has been out a few years. It's today's news that initially irked me a bit.

Like I said, I'm now over this and now looking at it as almost a gaurentee of sorts to get one real good dlc (expansion) per year, so heck, bring it on, but this was my initial reactions and thoughts.

I just tried to hide in a corner and talk privately to people while I was overreacting, and not come out of my whole until I calmed down and was fine again

[Edit] now that I read this over... It's pretty much what blacksmurf said. At this point I'm thinking by next year they're going to change their payment or content model yet again.

Riejael

Dr_Resilient wrote: »

Why people are overreacting about the last ESO news?

Its a fad among millennials to bash big business. They're either people that actually like the game, but feel guilty about it and take an hour or so a day to bash the game to absolve the guilt. Or they're losers hanging around a game forum of a game they haven't played in months. When I was going to college in 2001 I used to see HS kids do something similar after being fired, they hung around trying to get others to quit.

Needless to say, most of the people in game (actual non-trolls in PUG groups, Guilds, and whatnot, not zone chat) are excited about it. My steam messenger blew up last night from friends talking about it. So it is a vocal minority.

ZOS should just lock and squelch those players and let the sales in pre-orders tell them if they've done well or not. Which I'd imagine they are doing quite well on.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Riejael wrote: »

Dr_Resilient wrote: »

Why people are overreacting about the last ESO news?

Its a fad among millennials to bash big business. They're either people that actually like the game, but feel guilty about it and take an hour or so a day to bash the game to absolve the guilt. Or they're losers hanging around a game forum of a game they haven't played in months. When I was going to college in 2001 I used to see HS kids do something similar after being fired, they hung around trying to get others to quit.

Needless to say, most of the people in game (actual non-trolls in PUG groups, Guilds, and whatnot, not zone chat) are excited about it. My steam messenger blew up last night from friends talking about it. So it is a vocal minority.

ZOS should just lock and squelch those players and let the sales in pre-orders tell them if they've done well or not. Which I'd imagine they are doing quite well on.

I would point out that it is not just number of sales they need to worry about. They also need to worry about the cost of subscriptions lost and players lost.

Now i am assuming they will cover that. Or atleast estimates show they will. They are a business after all, im sure they ran the math on it before they did it. They knew people wouldnt like it. They wouldnt have bothered to change the eso+ info if this was going to catch them by surprise.

And over all in the grand scheme of things i imagine those that quit playing or quit subbing will be small. But who knows.

S1ipperyJim

Let's break this gem of a post down and examine it in all of its idiotic glory:

Riejael wrote: »

Its a fad among millennials to bash big business..

This is an invalid assumption since there is no evidence of the age group of the many and varied persons in our community who are not happy with ZOS excluding the Morrowind DLC chapter from ESO+

Riejael wrote: »

They're either people that actually like the game, but feel guilty about it and take an hour or so a day to bash the game to absolve the guilt.

A fascinating piece of amateur psychology but, again, unfounded, nonsensical and goes beyond assumption into the land of absurd fantasy and imagination.

Riejael wrote: »

Or they're losers hanging around a game forum of a game they haven't played in months.

Deliberately insulting and provocative, but again, obviously, baseless and rather nasty characterisation which is not even remotely likely to be factual.

Riejael wrote: »

When I was going to college in 2001 I used to see HS kids do something similar after being fired, they hung around trying to get others to quit.

A charming personal anecdote, not sure how you get fired from college or what purpose this cautionary tale serves except to perhaps imply how old the poster is? Bravo, you're old, I guess?

Riejael wrote: »

Needless to say, most of the people in game (actual non-trolls in PUG groups, Guilds, and whatnot, not zone chat) are excited about it.

It's always interesting to see so many amateur surveysmiths out there talking objective polls representative of the entire community and their stance on features of the game and publishing their results in the forums. Unfortunately I suspect, again, an unfactual assumption. It also ignores the fact that many people not happy about ZOS shafting ESO+ subscribers are also excited about the game content being added, after all, at least in my case I subscribed to ESO+ directly because of my love for the game in the understanding I would automatically be getting all future DLC.

Riejael wrote: »

My steam messenger blew up last night from friends talking about it. So it is a vocal minority.

Cool, you have friends. Sorry to hear about your steam messenger explosion, hopefully no one got hurt. Not sure your friends are representative of the entire community though.

Riejael wrote: »

ZOS should just lock and squelch those players and let the sales in pre-orders tell them if they've done well or not. Which I'd imagine they are doing quite well on.

Pre-order sales do not reflect the quality of the content since the content has not been released yet for inspection and assessment - see also 'no mans sky'. All they indicate is a successful IP, hype and marketing campaign.

ZOS 'squelching' dissent and feedback would be rather short sighted, in fact the opposite has proven true which is a direct reason for content such as battlegrounds and many many of the changes made based directly on player feedback, criticism and dissent. Why on earth would they make changes on the basis of herds of sheep bleating "we're happy with anything and everything at any price you choose to charge us, even if you don't deliver it after we pay in advance for it... and may I have another sir?"

silvereyes

Really though, if you look at the math, it's like an extra $4 a month. Sure it sucks to be charged extra if you thought you bought an all-expenses-paid package, but we're talking literally about 13 cents a day.

The world moves on. Prices go up. It's life.

In a way, now that everyone knows there will be no new zones released with ESO+ until Q4, anyone subscribing month-to-month just for the DLC can just buy the gold edition and the Morrowind digital upgrade, unsub for the next 8 months and still come out significantly ahead in their budgets.

Unless of course, you actually use the *other* perks of ESO+, like the crafting bag, XP boost, costume dyeing and crown allowance and feel like they are worth the cost of a sub. In which case ... gg ZOS. gg.

For those who purchased 90 day subs assuming that Vvardenfell would be included, well, that sucks, but it's the risk you take when committing for that long.

Edit: I recently re-subbed for 90 days, even though I own all past DLC. I never expect anything to be included other than the perks, and still consider ESO+ worth every penny. The Crown allowance alone is worth over $11/mo. As long as you want stuff in the Crown Store, it's a good deal, even if they removed every DLC from the catalog.

Tandor

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I really havent seen to many people raging. Ive seen people expressing their displeasure. And other people disagreeing with them. And then your normal amount of trolls. But not really much rage.

It's just the usual drama that creeps back into the forum every now and then.

The crown crate rage having died down, the forum needed a new reason for people to talk about cancelling their subscriptions.

trbrelinskib14_ESO

NovaShadow wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

For me it was the way it was done. Nothing to do with the money for the expansion, but the way it was dealt with.

Had they published the Road Ahead first, giving us a full brief of what to expect it would have gone over smoother in my opinion, at least for me anyway.

Instead they basically said 'screw you ESO+' and waited a whole day to release more detailed information.

But, the Road Ahead wasn't exactly 'screw you ESO+', but I guess I'm used to paid expansions while having subs in previous MMOs (i.e. this is not entirely new to me)

If you read what I said the 'screw you' was BEFORE they released more information. I disagree with how it was handled, it felt like I was lied to/betrayed. Promised one thing only to be delivered another.

Now I see where they're going thanks to the Road Ahead but I will no longer take them at their word.

I still stand that for people like me, the announcement wasn't really a big 'screw you ESO+' before they released more information. Any who people are entitled to feel what they feel and I'm sorry that you felt betrayed. I take any development plans in games with a grain of salt, maybe that's why I didn't feel the same as you. Although the timing of ZOS announcement can be better for other people like you to have that comfort

Any who , it's not like this is ever the first game that have a sub model but decided to charge for expansions.

If you've got past experience with this kind of development/re-direction then I can see how you're reacting the way you are. I personally have no experience, so taking a company at their word only for that word to keep changing gets old real fast and does feel like a betrayal.

From here on out however I'll take everything with a grain of salt as such.

Their word never changed. I really don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I never even blinked at this release. It's an expansion. <shrug> I really have no idea how anyone can come to the conclusion that ZOS lied or betrayed them. And yes I do sub as well.

trbrelinskib14_ESO

Tandor wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I really havent seen to many people raging. Ive seen people expressing their displeasure. And other people disagreeing with them. And then your normal amount of trolls. But not really much rage.

It's just the usual drama that creeps back into the forum every now and then.

The crown crate rage having died down, the forum needed a new reason for people to talk about cancelling their subscriptions.

<chuckle> yeah another thing that makes no sense... Crown Crates... if you don't like them don't buy them... move a long... <chuckle>

Riejael

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Let's break this gem of a post down and examine it in all of its idiotic glory:

Angry millennial goes for the only thing they have going for them: The Personal Attack. Keep it up and I'll let the mods handle it.

Lets look at the facts we both have. The expansion is $40. So was Ruins of Kunark and the other 22 expansions of Everquest. Burning Crusade and the other expansions of World of Warcraft were $50. Getting a little savings compared to that.

Everquest 2 is a very similar game in the fact that it too had smaller DLCs. DLCs that were free with an All Access (at the time $29.99/month) or Sub to EQ2. It also, like its predecessor, had $40 expansions.

In my 18 years of playing MMOs (long time considering $40 for Ruins of Kunark was a bit more in 2000, than in 2017) I've never seen people complain about not getting an expansion for free. And then come the outright lies perpetrated by this same group stating DLCs won't be includied in the future for ESO members. That's already been proven false by ZOS.

So yes, they should squelch these people because they are lying, spreading misinformation, and trolling.

Recremen

MissBizz wrote: »

I've already gotten over this, so I'm not feeling this way now... But to help you understand...

I started playing this game as a sub game. I paid for the game and expected costs were to be $155/year.

Then they changed it... To buy to play, which funnily enough made it WAY more expensive for me. Something to the tune of $450 I spent last year. Yes. This was sub plus crowns etc. So a lot of optional stuff, I understand that's all optional stuff and not needed to play.

Now... Im being told the monetization model is changing yet again. Which literally does nothing but ensure I'll never get 4 DLCs per year under my sub (no, not saying they ever promised it, but it definitely could have happened once they got the base game adjusted with the features they wanted at launch) and cost me more money. I expected expansions under this model, but figured something more like every other year. So as of yesterday, I was totally fine paying for an expansion since the game has been out a few years. It's today's news that initially irked me a bit.

Like I said, I'm now over this and now looking at it as almost a gaurentee of sorts to get one real good dlc (expansion) per year, so heck, bring it on, but this was my initial reactions and thoughts.

I just tried to hide in a corner and talk privately to people while I was overreacting, and not come out of my whole until I calmed down and was fine again

[Edit] now that I read this over... It's pretty much what blacksmurf said. At this point I'm thinking by next year they're going to change their payment or content model yet again.

@MissBizz they actually did promise it! Look at the official article on ESO Plus, then look at the 2016 Year Ahead, then search the site for "quarterly DLC". It was literally advertised that this would be a quarterly DLC thing.

acw37162

Why do people expect to have a logical argument with people who have already demonstrated themselves to illogical.

Unless this just reverse trolling.