Make DLC Trial/Dungeon Sets BoE?

Taylor_MB

Doesn't make any sense to have some of the best sets locked behind a DLC wall. Make them BoE, people with DLC can make some coin, others are not put at an unfair disadvantage.

Move Maelstrom Arena out of Wrothgar (not physically, just allow access to all).

EDIT: Everyone's passion is appreciated, but just to clarify. This poll was specifically about BoE of DLC sets, allowing access to all without giving them free content (as people have stated, ZOS still needs monies).

Tempah

Change DLC sets to BoE

I like gold

Turelus

Change DLC sets to BoE

Personally I feel everything should be BoE in order to allow free trade within the game between all players and content areas.

However you need to find a way to address mudflation of items in the game. ESO doesn't have an item destruction mechanics. I don't think anyone is going to be happy if their end game items start breaking or being lost on death, so currently BiP is the only way to somewhat keep people playing for gear.

theher0not

Other

Make it so you can get them from non DLC pledges too. I don't want to see trial/delve sets sold om the guild store

Edziu

Other

make every drop from last boss as BoE not only from DLC? atleast from just dungs

lolo_01b16_ESO

Other

Just make all dungeon sets BoE. You can farm them on normal, so they are not locked behind a skill barrier anyway and a lot of players would benefit from this. Those who like to run dungeons would make money and those who want the sets could get them with less grinding.

DRXHarbinger

No change

No make people earn thier top gear and not buy it. You really think you can afford gold Moondancer? Yep it'll be nice to sell it sure..but I'd want a huge amount for it.

Sharp Moondancer inferno....5m. Nirn / sturdy / reinforced alkosh shield. ...probably the same. Just line the leets pockets a little bit more why don't you.

Taylor_MB

Change DLC sets to BoE

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No make people earn thier top gear and not buy it.

Currently you have to buy the opportunity to even attempt to earn it... so people are still buying it with subs or DLC purchases.

NewBlacksmurf

No change

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

redspecter23

Other

All dungeon sets should be BoE. I'd leave trial gear, monster sets and arena rewards as BoP though.

Edziu

Other

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

adriant1978

Either needs to be BoE or needs a token system so that people are eventually assured of getting what they want after a certain number of runs. The RNG grind is ridiculous.

Draxys

I want things BoE, but it won't happen. It's sleazy but effective business, and zenimax wants that wall there so people will pay to get past it.

Zvorgin

Change DLC sets to BoE

adriant1978 wrote: »

Either needs to be BoE or needs a token system so that people are eventually assured of getting what they want after a certain number of runs. The RNG grind is ridiculous.

I have run direfrost keep vet probably 30-40 times now and never even seen a 2h draugr drop, I'd take any trait at this point. I'd gladly spend my play time for a week farming mats to sell to earn gold to buy it if I knew I could. The dungeon grind is definitely the #1 reason I have taken extended breaks or considered quitting this game all together.

Overland sets go for such premiums because people have limited playtime during the week and would rather have items they can reasonably obtain than grind endlessly for. If the solution is tokens, that's fine, just make it so 1 token a run and you can pick any item drop you want while giving 1 token per run. Still have to run the dungeon 40 times but I already have and might have to do another 40. The RnG in this game is absolutely miserable.

DoccEff

Change DLC sets to BoE

Just make ALL sets BoE.
Grinding can be fun, but only to a certain level.
For example, I'm farming WGT since release and never got a divines/infused SPC-jerkin. Nor did I see anyone in my group get one. So if someone else who doesn't need it gets one, then it would be completely fine for me to buy it in a guildstore, even if it costs like half a million gold.

NewBlacksmurf

No change

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

What if I told you, if the game gave you everything the first few tries you'd have to buy another game or this game would keep releasing stuff you'd have to buy.....you couldn't afford that over time as we'd all be paying $100/month due to the cost of a staff needed to produce content of quality that fast.

Edziu

Other

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

What if I told you, if the game gave you everything the first few tries you'd have to buy another game or this game would keep releasing stuff you'd have to buy.....you couldn't afford that over time as we'd all be paying $100/month due to the cost of a staff needed to produce content of quality that fast.

what if I told you I dont want to get everything at 1st runs but its very borring when I doing dozens of 1 dung runs and still cant get this item while I have also other thing to do in this game and this stupid rng farming just slows down me and some items just preventing me to run with this 1 build because it will not work without this 1 item part?

DRXHarbinger

No change

Taylor_MB wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No make people earn thier top gear and not buy it.

Currently you have to buy the opportunity to even attempt to earn it... so people are still buying it with subs or DLC purchases.

That's one trial. Not relevant at all. No different to vma being bop. Otherwise the amount of gold I'd have would be 10 fold what I have now (17m) I have a supply of 33 sharp daggers and 47 sharp bows and 24 sharp mauls that I aquire in pursuit of 1 sharp staff. Should people be able to buy my supply because they don't even have the dlc?

Other trials...please. you really don't want every scrub running around in 5 spriggan and 5 twice fanged. Twice fanged is op in pvp (15k armor pen anyone), that Velidreth with eat through all ha trolls and you'll be crying to nerf armor pen. All of it has a knock on effect.

Same for poisonous serpent. Have you seen how powerful this is when someone just has a master bow and weave spams poison injection? Set ups that are op like this should be limited and reserved for those that have earned it. Not spent all day farming gold mats and bought it and joined the club of being the most horrible procosauras around with nothing spent other than time playing horse simulator.

No to trial gear being boe. The knock on effects are far worse than making a bit of gold.

Kagetenchu

Other

There needs to be BoP gear for incentive to run content -you want infallible aether or vicious ophidian run the trial - maybe having the loot tables changed so we don't have to sit all day in CoA to get a inferno staff. However maybe having dungeon gear BoE (except monster sets) would allow us to sell all those prosperous shoulders and helms

Zvorgin

Change DLC sets to BoE

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

Running a dungeon isn't fun after 30 times for a single item, there should be a set limit of runs then the player gets a choice for all the punishment they've taken. There is fun content, but it's not grinding gear.

SaRuZ

Smart RNG. Your chance of finding an item with a certain trait increases with each set piece slotted.

Say you're farming vet Fungal Grotto 1 for purp jewelry. Instead of it being completely random, you are garaunteed viper set pieces with the same trait that you have equipped. Sharpened viper bow will loot sharpened viper dagger. Blue viper jewelry will loot purple viper jewelry.

This will even the odds. I've done my share of vet dungeon farming + malabal tor for spinners. I spent two weeks straight, 7 hours a day farming for spinner's. I looted two purple jewelry and one sharpened dagger. There are people that have been farming it every day since OT dropped.

For vMA and the hell it's put people through. Make a chest at the end where you open it and there is a list of every weapon with every trait to choose from, That's a reasonable reward.

Taylor_MB

Change DLC sets to BoE

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No make people earn thier top gear and not buy it.

Currently you have to buy the opportunity to even attempt to earn it... so people are still buying it with subs or DLC purchases.

That's one trial. Not relevant at all. No different to vma being bop. Otherwise the amount of gold I'd have would be 10 fold what I have now (17m) I have a supply of 33 sharp daggers and 47 sharp bows and 24 sharp mauls that I aquire in pursuit of 1 sharp staff. Should people be able to buy my supply because they don't even have the dlc?

Other trials...please. you really don't want every scrub running around in 5 spriggan and 5 twice fanged. Twice fanged is op in pvp (15k armor pen anyone), that Velidreth with eat through all ha trolls and you'll be crying to nerf armor pen. All of it has a knock on effect.

Same for poisonous serpent. Have you seen how powerful this is when someone just has a master bow and weave spams poison injection? Set ups that are op like this should be limited and reserved for those that have earned it. Not spent all day farming gold mats and bought it and joined the club of being the most horrible procosauras around with nothing spent other than time playing horse simulator.

No to trial gear being boe. The knock on effects are far worse than making a bit of gold.

I clearly said DLC mate. I specifically mentioned the DLC wall for acquiring sets. I also specifically said move Maelstrom out of Wrothgar, not make those weapons sellable.

Obviously if people want DLC content they should pay for it, but locking powerful sets behind additional money purchases is ridiculous. The only way I can envision to allow equal access is making DLC sets BoE, which legitimately benefits those with and without DLC. Would be happy to hear alternative ideas.

I might be thoroughly misunderstanding what you mean, but what I'm reading is a serious tangent.

Tapio75

Other

I think all the sets and better gear should be bind on pickup, that way the dropped items would not make market go bad and crafters would have better days ahead. Crafting should really be the only wqay to get best gear, Make yourself or buy from someone, this is good for market, not stuff you get with no cost but can sell with price of thousands of gold.

Though i think we crafters should be required to complete the difficult content to get access to craftinf stations of best gear or invest weeks of research time to get access to these station.. Wait, we do have to spent time for research, prpoblem solved.

Zvorgin

Change DLC sets to BoE

No normal dungeon should require a group, Direfrost keep requires two players to stand on plates to unlock the rest of the dungeon. Normal is for non-cp players or solo, they shouldn't require two players for content that is solo in difficulty.

Asking a friend to grind with you endlessly is worse than the grind itself.

Bigevilpeter

Change DLC sets to BoE

Make everything BoE and make them much harder to get, screw BoP in everything

Zvorgin

Change DLC sets to BoE

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Make everything BoE and make them much harder to get, screw BoP in everything

100% agree

Jim_Pipp

Change DLC sets to BoE

If all items are BoE, but after being equipped Or sold by a vendor they become bound then there are some really good changes that fit ZOS vision of Raise the floor, lower the ceiling

1) Endgame bis gear becomes available to people who don't have the skill/time/team to get it. This increases the potential of those 'on the floor' to more actively participate in endgame content (and eventually get the gear rewards).
2) the most talented and committed players able to do the content are the only ones who are able to sell the gear - people who buy and resell but have little in game presence except making items more expensive are cut out - therefore good players are richer, but the wealthiest stock broker traders are seriously nerfed, 'lowering the ceiling' on wealth. That just seems fairer for everyone. Trading guilds will increasingly focus on mats/motifs while guilds that do content will become the real elites.
3) Rng is not fair... it is random. One player may have too many 'sharpend bsw whatevers' while another may never ever get them. Giving players a way to collectively overcome poor Rng effectively raises the floor for everyone.

I've been thinking about this idea for a few months, and there is more too it, and problems with it, so message me if you would like to hear more.

NewBlacksmurf

No change

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

What if I told you, if the game gave you everything the first few tries you'd have to buy another game or this game would keep releasing stuff you'd have to buy.....you couldn't afford that over time as we'd all be paying $100/month due to the cost of a staff needed to produce content of quality that fast.

what if I told you I dont want to get everything at 1st runs but its very borring when I doing dozens of 1 dung runs and still cant get this item while I have also other thing to do in this game and this stupid rng farming just slows down me and some items just preventing me to run with this 1 build because it will not work without this 1 item part?

@Edziu

Then what do you want?
You're saying you don't want it instantly but you also write you don't want to have to do multiple and runs.

Which is it?

Jimbullbee85

Other

Would only make sense to do if it covered all dungeon drops Imo.

Taylor_MB

Change DLC sets to BoE

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

What if I told you, if the game gave you everything the first few tries you'd have to buy another game or this game would keep releasing stuff you'd have to buy.....you couldn't afford that over time as we'd all be paying $100/month due to the cost of a staff needed to produce content of quality that fast.

what if I told you I dont want to get everything at 1st runs but its very borring when I doing dozens of 1 dung runs and still cant get this item while I have also other thing to do in this game and this stupid rng farming just slows down me and some items just preventing me to run with this 1 build because it will not work without this 1 item part?

@Edziu

Then what do you want?
You're saying you don't want it instantly but you also write you don't want to have to do multiple and runs.

Which is it?

They are clearly asking for some middle ground, not an almost 1/300 chance to get a specific weapon they want (which many builds rely on for front bar and back baring the 5pc of different sets).

Edziu

Other

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No

Why do ppl want everything without doing anything?

what if I can tell you someone is farming dozens runs of dung and still cant get this 1 item and then:

Mojmir wrote: »

It's great when you've been running solo all day in CoA for a bsw staff,then you decide to invite a friend and he gets it on his first run.

@Edziu
Keep playing. That's what we buy games for to play and enjoy.

What if I told you, if the game gave you everything the first few tries you'd have to buy another game or this game would keep releasing stuff you'd have to buy.....you couldn't afford that over time as we'd all be paying $100/month due to the cost of a staff needed to produce content of quality that fast.

what if I told you I dont want to get everything at 1st runs but its very borring when I doing dozens of 1 dung runs and still cant get this item while I have also other thing to do in this game and this stupid rng farming just slows down me and some items just preventing me to run with this 1 build because it will not work without this 1 item part?

@Edziu

Then what do you want?
You're saying you don't want it instantly but you also write you don't want to have to do multiple and runs.

Which is it?

just weapon to specific set with the best trait? its ridicolous how many other items to get you have chance, jewerly is mostly droping and when you finally drop that weapon you have now lottery from 13 different weapons(shield in it), then from 8 different traits to each weapon and add to this 3 different sets, you can draw 104 different weapon drops and take it x3 sets, so now you have chance 1 to 314 to get this 1 weapon which you want excluding 25%+ drop rate for jewelry instead of weapon from bosses