Medusa instead of Twice Bone Star for Quality of Life

amasuriel

So I was thinking about Medusa instead of TBS for Magicka crit builds that swap roles.
Medusa you replaces max of 18% crit damage from shadow with 12% from minor force, but you get an extra 130 Spell Damage instead of Stamina as one of your set bonuses so you might actually come out ahead on that. A bigger loss is probably that the jewelry with be health not magicka, because its a heavy set, and you need jewelry because otherwise you won't be running 5 light.

Obviously a full time DD, or someone with a well oiled group that uses guard etc this will be worse, but for people who switch roles / random 4 man stuff it might not be a big DPS loss, and would prevent you constantly needing to go get your second mundus buff. Just a thought.

Once we have target dummies live I'll try it, too lazy to do Bloodspawn DPS tests, and Slimecraw dies too fast to really see good numbers.

Lashiing

can get minor force from a skill, nn wasting a whole 5pc on it

Horowonnoe

Yeah, just no.

STEVIL

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

amasuriel

STEVIL wrote: »

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

Not enough slots to run 5 light and medusa without jewelry, medusa only comes in heavy

amasuriel

Lashiing wrote: »

can get minor force from a skill, nn wasting a whole 5pc on it

Many magica rotations cannot afford the bar slot or the stam for rearming trap, gaurd you need someone you can coordinate with or it will be breaking all the time as they run around as well a skill slot.

As a result, I don't think most magicka DDs have minor force right now, so you can basically just treat it as 12% crit damage from medusa vs 18% from shadow. For Stam this isn't true, but I said in my post this was specifically about magicka builds.

amasuriel

Horowonnoe wrote: »

Yeah, just no.

I'm so glad you were here to provide such insightful and illuminating comments to the discussion!

STEVIL

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

Not enough slots to run 5 light and medusa without jewelry, medusa only comes in heavy

Absolutely and as well all know you can only run mag with 5 light... ???

but your math is correct.

However, one could run say the 5 hvy medusa, 1-2 light monsters 9depend on wpn) and say the light armor magica high crit chance jewels, wpnx2 or wpn-1/body-1 if staff and have a decent crit chance, better crit damage and the hvy armor buffs instead of the light armor buffs.

Depending on the content and play you prefer, that could be just fine.

likely not metamax enough for endgame trials leaderboards kind of stuff but likely quite good at dungeon soloing.

amasuriel

STEVIL wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

Not enough slots to run 5 light and medusa without jewelry, medusa only comes in heavy

Absolutely and as well all know you can only run mag with 5 light... ???

but your math is correct.

However, one could run say the 5 hvy medusa, 1-2 light monsters 9depend on wpn) and say the light armor magica high crit chance jewels, wpnx2 or wpn-1/body-1 if staff and have a decent crit chance, better crit damage and the hvy armor buffs instead of the light armor buffs.

Depending on the content and play you prefer, that could be just fine.

likely not metamax enough for endgame trials leaderboards kind of stuff but likely quite good at dungeon soloing.

The spell penetration from 5 light will make a very big difference in your DPS though. People might use Medusa if it meant losing 5% DPS vs TBS for the convenience, but if its 15% probably nobody will bother.

STEVIL

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

Not enough slots to run 5 light and medusa without jewelry, medusa only comes in heavy

Absolutely and as well all know you can only run mag with 5 light... ???

but your math is correct.

However, one could run say the 5 hvy medusa, 1-2 light monsters 9depend on wpn) and say the light armor magica high crit chance jewels, wpnx2 or wpn-1/body-1 if staff and have a decent crit chance, better crit damage and the hvy armor buffs instead of the light armor buffs.

Depending on the content and play you prefer, that could be just fine.

likely not metamax enough for endgame trials leaderboards kind of stuff but likely quite good at dungeon soloing.

The spell penetration from 5 light will make a very big difference in your DPS though. People might use Medusa if it meant losing 5% DPS vs TBS for the convenience, but if its 15% probably nobody will bother.

I try to avoid the guessing how many will bother when not talking top-end dps meta cuz there are lotsa favtors.

take the pen set jewels plus 2 light, add sharpened, add the breach from elem drain, 10% resistance reduction from staff passive, crushing enchant... and without the 5pc light boost you are already overpen a number of targets depending on content.

I am in no way saying this is better than that for all circumstances but having run hvy armor based sorcs for solo pledging, the uptick in DPS would not necessarily outweigh a build based on mitigation and sustain instead of DPS for those types of content.

top end 12 man Trials, 4 man content with organized teams - nah not necessarily worth considering any DPS tade-off for survival/sustain - but two man or solo is a different story - one IMO not to be dismissed out of hand with "probably nobody will bother" from my perspective.

amasuriel

STEVIL wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Medusa numbers wont match tbs right now but with upcoming changes in how crit dmg stacks maybe not by as much.

You mention jewelry as a downside.

What are the TBS jewels again we are comparing to?

If your build doesnt want to use healthy jewels of Medusa then dont, just use body/wpn, and be no different jewels-wise thsn tbs.

But as you observe for qol its a consideration.

Course you could run both.

Not enough slots to run 5 light and medusa without jewelry, medusa only comes in heavy

Absolutely and as well all know you can only run mag with 5 light... ???

but your math is correct.

However, one could run say the 5 hvy medusa, 1-2 light monsters 9depend on wpn) and say the light armor magica high crit chance jewels, wpnx2 or wpn-1/body-1 if staff and have a decent crit chance, better crit damage and the hvy armor buffs instead of the light armor buffs.

Depending on the content and play you prefer, that could be just fine.

likely not metamax enough for endgame trials leaderboards kind of stuff but likely quite good at dungeon soloing.

The spell penetration from 5 light will make a very big difference in your DPS though. People might use Medusa if it meant losing 5% DPS vs TBS for the convenience, but if its 15% probably nobody will bother.

I try to avoid the guessing how many will bother when not talking top-end dps meta cuz there are lotsa favtors.

take the pen set jewels plus 2 light, add sharpened, add the breach from elem drain, 10% resistance reduction from staff passive, crushing enchant... and without the 5pc light boost you are already overpen a number of targets depending on content.

I am in no way saying this is better than that for all circumstances but having run hvy armor based sorcs for solo pledging, the uptick in DPS would not necessarily outweigh a build based on mitigation and sustain instead of DPS for those types of content.

top end 12 man Trials, 4 man content with organized teams - nah not necessarily worth considering any DPS tade-off for survival/sustain - but two man or solo is a different story - one IMO not to be dismissed out of hand with "probably nobody will bother" from my perspective.

Yes fair enough, for solo or 2 man, the extra armour will be more beneficial for some people than extra damage from penetration.