Do you think that Armor of the Trainee set needed a nerf?

Pazzoo

Armor of the Trainee: Reduced the Max Magicka, Stamina, and Health granted by this item set to 1250 from 2500.

So as you can see, in the new patch notes this lovely set is getting nerfed to the ground making it completly useless.
I dont think this set should be nerfed at all, it comes in trainning trait, it has health desync if u run it on weapons, but it is a good set for hybrid or mag builds, not to mention how helpfull it is for tanks in pve.

DEV's afraid its giving more stamina than Hulk's set but its not true, since trainee overall sum gives less stamina by 2k which is alot.

RoyJade

Other, explain..

This set is potentially amazing for hybrid build, and have some good use for pve tank. Sadly, it can be exploited for high-resources pvp set on unbreakable + high damaging build, and that why it's nerfed.

So, does it need a nerf ? Yes. Is it okay ? No, we need a new set who really work for hybrids but not for too powerful builds. Why not a set similar to Pelinar for damage scaling on resources (or even more, add this as Pelinar's effect) ? Or a set who give resources for each points in health, magicka and stamina (both three needed for one bonus), in order to have a real hybrid who don't stack 40k stamina or magicka alongside with other decents pools ?

Of course, if someone have others ideas or critics, I'll happy to debate.

React

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Considering the traits the set is available in, I think the nerf was unnecessary.

Stamden

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

I addressed this here.

Basically, if they want to nerf the set, that is fine but they need to add normal traits to it. Hopefully they plan to do this. Still though, they completely over nerfed it and gutted it. They removed way to many stats from it.

RoyJade

Other, explain..

Liam12548 wrote: »

Considering the traits the set is available in, I think the nerf was unnecessary.

Sharpened sword, impen shield, one piece in reinforced, three jewelries. You don't even need a training piece.
That's one of the reason the nerf is not totally abused.

Neighbor wrote: »

Basically, if they want to nerf the set, that is fine but they need to add normal traits to it. Hopefully they plan to do this. Still though, they completely over nerfed it and gutted it. They removed way to many stats from it.

Totally agree. All trait table + 2000 (or even 1700) to every resources seem far better.

Pazzoo

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

When they nerf something they just make it useless, which is sad. i seriously dont think the set is op, the crit resist u lose for wearing it covers it up.

also its really annoying to keep changing gear every patch and lose the gold u farmed so hard for it, Every freaking patch.

Qbiken

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

RoyJade wrote: »

This set is potentially amazing for hybrid build, and have some good use for pve tank. Sadly, it can be exploited for high-resources pvp set on unbreakable + high damaging build, and that why it's nerfed.

So, does it need a nerf ? Yes. Is it okay ? No, we need a new set who really work for hybrids but not for too powerful builds. Why not a set similar to Pelinar for damage scaling on resources (or even more, add this as Pelinar's effect) ? Or a set who give resources for each points in health, magicka and stamina (both three needed for one bonus), in order to have a real hybrid who don't stack 40k stamina or magicka alongside with other decents pools ?

Of course, if someone have others ideas or critics, I'll happy to debate.

How is min/maxing exploiting???? Please explain......

psychotic13

I used trainee on my build, it was very strong tbh, with the set I didn't need to worry about having health relative to my food, or having to worry about stamina issues for CC breaking.

Bit annoying I just golded it though

forzajuve212

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Golded a trainee sword yesterday, gg r1p

RoyJade

Other, explain..

Mostly the same as black rose : good benefit without downside. You get a great resources increase with no particular tradeoff (training was supposed to be the one).
I don't personally exploit it, so I haven't tried or looked at too much. But from what I've seen ingame and on the forum, this set wasn't used primary by hybrids, pve tank or beginner but mostly by high-end pvp "meta" set, and that's clearly not the purpose of the set. It should open special builds, not increasing the power of metas builds.

Malamar1229

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

due to the limited traits availabe no it didnt.

Ragnaroek93

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Not saying the set is completely fine but the nerf is way too much in my opinion.

Pazzoo wrote: »

also its really annoying to keep changing gear every patch and lose the gold u farmed so hard for it, Every freaking patch.

You are rich anyways xD

zyk

Yes, it needed this 50% nerf.

It's definitely OP atm. I think that was well-recognized when the set was introduced in the 2.6 PTS.

The Julianos 5 piece bonus of 299 spell damage is the equivalent of 2.3 spell damage bonuses. The Trainee 5 piece bonus presently gives the equivalent of approx 2.5 stamina, 2.5 magicka and 2.3 health bonuses for a total of 7.3 total attribute bonuses of a standard size.

It sucks for me too. I have 4x gold swords, magicka and stamina jewellery and a gold shield.

Now that it's balanced, the trait restriction should be removed.

Pazzoo

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

zyk wrote: »

It's definitely OP atm. I think that was well-recognized when the set was introduced in the 2.6 PTS.

The Julianos 5 piece bonus of 299 spell damage is the equivalent of 2.3 spell damage bonuses. The Trainee 5 piece bonus presently gives the equivalent of approx 2.5 stamina, 2.5 magicka and 2.3 health bonuses for a total of 7.3 total attribute bonuses of a standard size.

It sucks for me too. I have 4x gold swords, magicka and stamina jewellery and a gold shield.

Now that it's balanced, the trait restriction should be removed.

ya but for example, i want to run it on mag sorc, it force me to use at least 1 trainning piece and lets say reinforced armor piece. thats already 2 pieces lost of crit resist which is vital for light armor

Elder_III

Other, explain..

It was an incredibly good tanking set (or PvP set). Since you could get a variety of traits by doing quest rewards, combining them with 3x jewelry could give one BiS traits on all 5 pieces. It was a little too good to not be changed somehow.

I voted "Other" since while I think it merited a change, I would like to see it drop in random traits now in order to make it remain a bit more attractive to a wider spectrum of players.

olsborg

Yes, it needed this 50% nerf.

It was seriously too good.

Ron_Burgundy_79

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

It's a very frustrating change since I don't enjoy running the meta. Now I'll be forced to run the same setup the other 12 light armor dps magplars are running in pvp.

willlienellson

Yes, it needed this 50% nerf.

Pazzoo wrote: »

also its really annoying to keep changing gear every patch and lose the gold u farmed so hard for it, Every freaking patch.

Pretty sure that's the GOAL of the entire process, not a side effect.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes, it needed this 50% nerf.

Max stat stacking needs a flat nerf. Red Guards for stamina are abusing Adrenaline Rush. This was more so a stamina change in my opinion more so then Magicka. I'm fine with this change because its a beginner island set.

IzanagiTensei-O

ugh, just golded a few peices a few hours ago too, but, i feel a little sick, just losing it period. would it be so much to ask to think about stuff FIRST. measure twice cut once kinda thing. want some ice cream? lick lick smacks it out of hand. youll never get any again! whyd ya give it to me in first place? btw- im a sorc, sooooo, theres been a few smacks i feel. really liked having that stam so i can roll dodge twice before im out. or run 10 feet, especially since for some reason i can go from keep to keep on foot before i can get my mount back i guess cause of dark deal...which i need to spam to "run" its a catch 22, have no ideal why because im a wizard i have to becompletely out of shape and feel like i weigh 600lbs

IzanagiTensei-O

wasnt this set the epitome of viable balance? will it be useful to anyone now? im a little tired. curious. was it op? did it get "fixed" by making it trash?

Ron_Burgundy_79

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Max stat stacking needs a flat nerf. Red Guards for stamina are abusing Adrenaline Rush. This was more so a stamina change in my opinion more so then Magicka. I'm fine with this change because its a beginner island set.

Wouldn't the true issue be hulking draugr set then? There's literally no penalty to get that 5 piece bonus unlike necropotence. This may be used to "balance" Stamina classes, but its going to eliminate the use of this set on all magic builds as well.

Ron_Burgundy_79

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

IzanagiTensei-O wrote: »

wasnt this set the epitome of viable balance? will it be useful to anyone now? im a little tired. curious. was it op? did it get "fixed" by making it trash?

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No

Ron_Burgundy_79

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

olsborg wrote: »

It was seriously too good.

Care to elaborate?

IzanagiTensei-O

i mean, i know it wont work for me anymore, i'll have to become a "real" sorc/cookie cutter, or maybe a pet sorc? now probably, or use diff class. or maybe im forgetting options to allow me to continue trying to play close to how i want. idk.

Isbilen

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Qbiken wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

This set is potentially amazing for hybrid build, and have some good use for pve tank. Sadly, it can be exploited for high-resources pvp set on unbreakable + high damaging build, and that why it's nerfed.

So, does it need a nerf ? Yes. Is it okay ? No, we need a new set who really work for hybrids but not for too powerful builds. Why not a set similar to Pelinar for damage scaling on resources (or even more, add this as Pelinar's effect) ? Or a set who give resources for each points in health, magicka and stamina (both three needed for one bonus), in order to have a real hybrid who don't stack 40k stamina or magicka alongside with other decents pools ?

Of course, if someone have others ideas or critics, I'll happy to debate.

How is min/maxing exploiting???? Please explain......

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/exploit

To exploit ≠ cheating.

Trainee was fine though, this change stinks!

IzanagiTensei-O

eh, sorry for multiple posts, guess i can see my solution, diff food/sets, probably be better off. like i said, tired, and tgis cought me off guard , threw me a little. off to bed.

Dev

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

To be honest, i think that anyone wearing the cp160 set has deliberately chosen this set. From what i hear, it is only available in training.

As for it being better then hulking set, so what? Since 1Tam, it really doesnt matter if you spend your time farming gear in starter areas or any other area, since all zones have more or less the same rules on loot. The mobs are leveled to cp160, so there is no real advantage to 'Training' set versus any other.


This does nothing imo but take all the time that people spent farming this and tosses it out the window. This is an offensive and pointless nerf, and like so many others will serve no point in the end.

Stamden

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

It's a very frustrating change since I don't enjoy running the meta. Now I'll be forced to run the same setup the other 12 light armor dps magplars are running in pvp.

Yep, now I am forced into the meta setups. I used to run Trainee because I wanted to try something new and different. Oh well, Black Rose here I am come.

kamimark

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

ZOS claims to want more variety in builds, makes the variety set trash. Remove all non-Training traits (maybe even retroactively, sorry to people who golded the gear), and it's already balanced by the lack of utility.

gothickaiserub17_ESO

No, Trainee set is good where it is.

Wow, I've never complained about any of the nerf's yet... but this? (not just this patch)

I will admit I'm bias on account of the fact that i'm using this set, but I'm also not setting any records with PVP (like not even close) or going in to Vet Trails (possibly because I'm using this set, largely meaning it's not OP)

I don't think it was that powerful/meta of a set, in fact most people laughed if you say you bothered to go through the trouble of getting it (especially purple jewelry)

Serious question, was this set honestly being game breaking, or was it just a rare piece, used for an unintended purpose that made hybriding a little possible.

Players using items for unintended purpose it actually a good thing, Emergent Gameplay is a good thing.

Also I wonder how many starter island player who are actually new have completed this set and used it. This change certainly won't make it any more appealing for them.