Lmao the 'counter' to heavy is to not attack.

leepalmer95

'Part of the counterplay against a Heavy Armor enemy is to stop attacking them for a short period'

Really? I agreed and was happy with most of the changes but's it's thing like these that makes people question if you actually play the game.

Isellskooma

Nerf Zenimax

Browiseth

yea I don't get it either

the counter to someone's build is to let them kill you?(???)(£££)($$$)(???)

rxhymn

use spriggans

psychotic13

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

SanderBuraas

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

@psychotic13

What a joke. The reason heavy armour builds are the best is because they have insane sustain and deal a lot of damage.

FleetwoodSmack

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

I think more or less people were expecting more balance than what came out of all this, to be honest. I get why some of these choices were made, however in the long run ZoS needs to start considering that they need to stop taking the short cut and start looking at things more individually.

Valencer

If I run into 4 not-so-good people in Cyrodiil, including a heavy armour templar healbot, I guess not hitting the healbot is going to help me win that particular fight? It probably won't, and this is why small scale PvP is a pointless affair at the moment

The PTS changes are in the right direction but it's not enough yet. Game was way better off when active defenses were more valuable. That at least forced people to actively play the game and watch their surroundings. Roll dodge, timing abilities etc.

And next update theyre adding Magickasteal debuffs, which basically gives magicka builds a way to effectively sustain magicka without actual regen, too.

DannyLV702

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Alcast

I had to laugh at that comment xD "Do not attack" lolollool

psychotic13

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

psychotic13

Smepic wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

@psychotic13

What a joke. The reason heavy armour builds are the best is because they have insane sustain and deal a lot of damage.

Yes, and if you stop hitting them for a few seconds they don't gain from the constitution passive and you'll reset their wraith passive.

DannyLV702

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

psychotic13

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

czar

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter?

A "few seconds" of taking damage is enough to kill certain NB DD's, who are not supposed to take on a defensive role. Sure you can stack up on health, but chances are you won't deal enough damage to kill a heavy armour user then.

Of course there's good NB players as well as bad HA builds, but most people aren't top players and I think an average NB has the lesser chance to survive vs an average HA player.

DannyLV702

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

Emencie

Valencer wrote: »

The PTS changes are in the right direction but it's not enough yet. Game was way better off when active defenses were more valuable. That at least forced people to actively play the game and watch their surroundings. Roll dodge, timing abilities etc.

You mean back when heavy armor was worthless because the only defenses that mattered were active defenses? When everyone was one shot gankable? When almost every class, role, and player played as an assassin stealth build because that was the only way to get around the battlefield safely?

I disagree with that, in fact the staleness of gank or be ganked back then, and nearly everyone running bow/2H+Vamp bats was annoying. I still have my Akaviri Dragonguard sets from back then...

I would be willing to bet that only medium armor stam players want to go back to that.

psychotic13

schip wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter?

A "few seconds" of taking damage is enough to kill certain NB DD's, who are not supposed to take on a defensive role. Sure you can stack up on health, but chances are you won't deal enough damage to kill a heavy armour user then.

Of course there's good NB players as well as bad HA builds, but most people aren't top players and I think an average NB has the lesser chance to survive vs an average HA player.

Block / heals / shuffle / roll dodges is easy to keep you alive, or in my case as I play magicka stack shields

stevepdodson_ESO888

leepalmer95 wrote: »

'Part of the counterplay against a Heavy Armor enemy is to stop attacking them for a short period'

Really? I agreed and was happy with most of the changes but's it's thing like these that makes people question if you actually play the game.

i read through the latest patch notes last night and when i read this part i started questioning my own sanity...was i too tired and needed to sleep, or was the game slowly driving me insane?

i am so glad the you managed to point out that i have not yet lost my marbles and it is, in fact, some crazy idea that ZOS has come up with

Kodrac

Mmmmm... forum PvP

Majic

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."

-- Sun Tzu

psychotic13

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

lol I use my NB as a defiler build for group play, SnB gives me access to major defile. For solo/dueling I use my sorc.

You didnt say which platform you play on? Please say Xbox EU.

Betheny

Heavy Armour has the perfect shield on top of their massive defense...awesome, so we don't attack and let them regen hp or twack us around?

Nerf Heavy Armour "no attack" shield!

Wollust

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

lol I use my NB as a defiler build for group play, SnB gives me access to major defile. For solo/dueling I use my sorc.

You didnt say which platform you play on? Please say Xbox EU.

Pls don't tell me you call it a defiler build just because you use reverberating?

DannyLV702

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

lol I use my NB as a defiler build for group play, SnB gives me access to major defile. For solo/dueling I use my sorc.

You didnt say which platform you play on? Please say Xbox EU.

I know damn well you can read my bolded signature, which is the only reason you're acting brave and mighty. You're not the first person in the world to pull that silly move

psychotic13

Wollust wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

lol I use my NB as a defiler build for group play, SnB gives me access to major defile. For solo/dueling I use my sorc.

You didnt say which platform you play on? Please say Xbox EU.

Pls don't tell me you call it a defiler build just because you use reverberating?

Fasallas, major and minor defile with CP into befoul, who said I was just using reverb?

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I really don't see the problem? You go on the defensive for a few seconds, their wraith passive will go down, they're not getting any resources from constitution cause you're not damaging them. Then you're ready to counter? No big deal.

Usual eso forums, people making a bigger deal than needs to be made.

Do you pvp or nah?

Yes I do, and I'm confident I would wipe the floor with you and your sarcy comments with you wearing heavy.

The fact you claim you can, shows that more than likely you can't. And I wear 7/7 medium baby

Lol, if you happen to be on Xbox EU hit me up. If not crawl back under your rock.

If heavys so great why do you use medium? Because most of you are sheep and just copy what each other say, when in reality a lot less people use it than you all make out

Because I've always used my hundings or eternal hunt and not some zergling meta ***. Funny, considering you use fasallas, tremor and SnB on your stamblade. Aids much? Any stamblade who relies on SnB is a joke. Aka you.

lol I use my NB as a defiler build for group play, SnB gives me access to major defile. For solo/dueling I use my sorc.

You didnt say which platform you play on? Please say Xbox EU.

I know damn well you can read my bolded signature, which is the only reason you're acting brave and mighty. You're not the first person in the world to pull that silly move

I can't see your signature I'm on my phone.

Kadoozy

The thing is, how the hell do you know someone is wearing heavy armor or not if they have a costume on? I can wear heavy and throw a light armor costume on and boom. Makes me look like a healer.

Not that I want costumes removed from pvp. Some armor is hideous and needs to be hidden under a costume

MaxwellC

I thought it was funny, I'm guessing those comments came from wrobel since he loves making jokes about serious changes we desire. The best one was removing flames of oblivion AoE due to 'Client performance issues' then giving the ability to sorcerers later down the line. I wonder where that 'client performance issue' now.

Heavy armor needs to have wrath removed and the amount of resource gained by constitution, toned down a bit. I don't wanna nerf it heavily because I tank but if they were to revert it back to it's old changes then I would suffice with that too. Black rose needed to be dropped by at-least 15% not 5% btw lol.

Fudly_budly

No doubt anyone of you could wipe me in a blink but come on... That's funny! i.e. "the way to balance heavy armor in pvp is to not attack them."

DemonDruaga

Balance:

Damage type armor has a hard time taking down the heavy guy, because mitigation

Defensive type armor( heavy ) has a hard time to take out anything because of low dmg output

What we have:
Light and medium do less damage on the heavy target, compared to what the heavy armor guy can perform on the light and medium armor.

If a tank gets hit by 1-2k hits from a full offensive build with ~17k penetration, but can put out 5k upwarts on the light and medium guy, it is clear who will run out of HP first.

Ofc that is not true for every encounter, but as long that such things can happen, you can tweak abilities all day long, armor inbalance is the source of evil imo.
So no hate for heavy, i run it too on some builds.. but it is broken

Sigtric

It does seem a rather funny statement when you leave out half of it. GG OP