Minor Magickasteal Pros and Cons

Metafae

I was interested to see what other people think of the change to this buff.

Pros:
I can see this change as helping Magicka Tanks quite a lot in giving them a good source of Magicka when only doing minimal (non-elemental) damage and having low resource pools, and this is a positive thing.

I'm also pleased that the buff is no longer tied to elemental damage, which really helps a lot of magic builds that don't use elemental damage, and especially the Templar morph to hit everything is something that will have me respec for it on my DPS Templar.

Cons:
One major advantage to the old Eledrain is that it scaled off the players max magicka. As a Firemage, it was a must have skill that I would run myself if the healer wasn't running it. It allowed me to sustain on what is a very hard class to sustain on. On live, my firemage with 40.5k Max Magicka will get about 535 Magicka every second with Eledrain. Keep in mind this is without Warhorn buffing my max stats, which also buffs the amount I get back through eledrain too. Essentially, I have lost about 135 Magicka per second, or 270 Magicka Recovery with this new Minor Magickasteal and it is noticeably bad. I would always run out of resources on the test dummy in the first 50%.
The loss gets worse the more max magicka you have, and how much you rely on eledrain. Eg. Necropotence Sorcs with 50k+ Max Magicka and little to no regen will really be hurting with this change.

Conclusion:
I see this as being part of the lowering of the top dps we can pull, as we'll have to spec some more recovery now, which is fine, I would like to see maybe a middle ground being met, maybe increasing the buff slightly to easy pain on firemages, or adding some kind of magicka scaling that starts from 31k Max Magicka, as thats the point where the Live and PTS match in Eledrain and Minor Magickasteal.

Anhedonie

Well, soon pve and pvp builds will be different only in traits. Impen or divines.
Take that, build diversity.

susmitds

I know some top raids who only used siphon and breezed by. Just need to have some efficient healers who send orbs.

Kaghei

Thinking pvp only i see it as a nerf to smaller groups and a buff to zergs once again.
Lets say there are 50 enemies around you and 10 of you. lets say every enemy is debuffed with minor magickasteal so each of you drain 400 magicka per second (group drains 4000 magicka/sec), now lets say all of your group are debuffed with magickasteal, now 50 people attacking each of you, each one of the 50 players draining 400 magicka per second (20,000 magicka/sec). You group is now down 20k magicka every second.

this is assuming it is in facts a drain and not just a conjure magicka from thin air.

Junipus

Kaghei wrote: »

Thinking pvp only i see it as a nerf to smaller groups and a buff to zergs once again.
Lets say there are 50 enemies around you and 10 of you. lets say every enemy is debuffed with minor magickasteal so each of you drain 400 magicka per second (group drains 4000 magicka/sec), now lets say all of your group are debuffed with magickasteal, now 50 people attacking each of you, each one of the 50 players draining 400 magicka per second (20,000 magicka/sec). You group is now down 20k magicka every second.

this is assuming it is in facts a drain and not just a conjure magicka from thin air.

Pretty sure it's conjuring similar to existing methods of magicka regen from debuffs. if it was based on actual damage hits then one person being hit by 10 people using the debuff would have 0 magicka in a few seconds, and ZOS aren't that bad.