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Major Evasion will now be 15% instead of 20%. RIP Tava Builds?
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭No in real terms 80% down to 75% isn't much of a nerf /trollPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank1 -
Dracindo✭✭✭✭✭If you're going to start a topic, don't just copy paste the title, give a better read.
Also, I don't know what a Tava build is and I'm sure there are others too, could you explain what these builds are, so we can understand why this is a big deal?4 -
MattT1988✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's just 5% who cares? I'll still Tank with Tavas.If you're going to start a topic, don't just copy paste the title, give a better read.
Also, I don't know what a Tava build is and I'm sure there are others too, could you explain what these builds are, so we can understand why this is a big deal?
One of them is a 5 Tavas, 5 Ebon or Dragon and 2 Blood Spawn Tank build. If you keep shuffle active you gain your ultimate real quick. Works well with Aggressive Warhorn.
Edited by MattT1988 on January 4, 2017 10:10AM3 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If you're going to start a topic, don't just copy paste the title, give a better read.
Also, I don't know what a Tava build is and I'm sure there are others too, could you explain what these builds are, so we can understand why this is a big deal?
Tava Builds use the Tava's Favor crafted set. The 5 pc on them generates ultimate over 3 seconds after dodging an attack. Major Evasion would more often than not give a higher chance of dodging than it was intended to so people worked it into a build with Bloodspawn where if you dodge an attack, you get ultimate, if you get hit, you get ultimate.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 501 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭techprince wrote: »Major Evasion will now be 15% instead of 20%. RIP Tava Builds?
By using roll dodge you have 100% dodge chance.
Tanks with Tava will do good to keep this in mind.2 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Major Evasion will now be 15% instead of 20%. RIP Tava Builds?
By using roll dodge you have 100% dodge chance.
Tanks with Tava will do good to keep this in mind.
Tanks generally need to remain in one place, so while true not necessarily usefulPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank7 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭It's a small nerf, but really not game-breaking for Tava's tanks. We're losing 5% or so mitigation and ulti-gen max.
Slightly slower warhorns (Tava's will still probably proc on cooldown, so this only impacts bosses) and slightly more damage taken (If your tank is getting low enough to be in danger, either he or your healer is doing something wrong.)
Tava's+Bloodspawn tanks will be even less affected, as getting hit still generates ultimate from Bloodspawn."Adapt. or Die."0 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think everyone agrees that this might be the single worst thread since the patch notes dropped!!!PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.2 -
Teridaxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since you put 0 effort with this thread and the one where you replied before, i will just copy paste my comment from a different thread
Nope, dodging is still extremly powerful because zos nerfed it in the wrong way.
It's not a 15% to dodge every single hit.
It's a 15% chance to make you invicible for 0.3 seconds taking 0 damage from all attacks during that period. Only pve tanks where adds are missing during a boss fight will notice it and the whole ulti tank meta outshining other tanks that hard isn't that healthy excalty.2 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I suppose this affects Histbark too? If so, it's time to find a different set for tanking. Yes, it is only 5%, but it makes a big difference I think.1 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes it affects Hist Bark. A 5% decrease for you to dodge an attack isn't really that much. You'll probably not even notice it really.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »Since you put 0 effort with this thread and the one where you replied before, i will just copy paste my comment from a different thread
Nope, dodging is still extremly powerful because zos nerfed it in the wrong way.
It's not a 15% to dodge every single hit.
It's a 15% chance to make you invicible for 0.3 seconds taking 0 damage from all attacks during that period. Only pve tanks where adds are missing during a boss fight will notice it and the whole ulti tank meta outshining other tanks that hard isn't that healthy excalty.
Can this period be extended to 0.6 seconds with the Crusader set? Sounds quite powerful.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Crusader+SetAlandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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For me it feels too lackluster now. Against multiple opponents it saved you a lot of stamina. Even this 5% difference will be noticable. But I'm not too disappointed by it though. There's plenty other good sets.AzraelKrieg wrote: »Yes it affects Hist Bark. A 5% decrease for you to dodge an attack isn't really that much. You'll probably not even notice it really.
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »Since you put 0 effort with this thread and the one where you replied before, i will just copy paste my comment from a different thread
Nope, dodging is still extremly powerful because zos nerfed it in the wrong way.
It's not a 15% to dodge every single hit.
It's a 15% chance to make you invicible for 0.3 seconds taking 0 damage from all attacks during that period. Only pve tanks where adds are missing during a boss fight will notice it and the whole ulti tank meta outshining other tanks that hard isn't that healthy excalty.
Because there was no need to put "effort" into anything. Title is self explanatory and concerns the players who knows what it does and nobody else. This affects both PvE and PvP. However i pointed out the pve effect of this change.Edited by techprince on January 4, 2017 3:18PM0 -
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Lol, for a starting tank that hasn't had a ton of time to farm any of the top end sets, Hist Bark is a pretty good set to start with. It helps a lot with sustain, especially on a templar.I like this change to be honest . Hope we gonna see less tanks running with some useless sets . *cough*Hist Bark*cough*
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Lol, for a starting tank that hasn't had a ton of time to farm any of the top end sets, Hist Bark is a pretty good set to start with. It helps a lot with sustain, especially on a templar.I like this change to be honest . Hope we gonna see less tanks running with some useless sets . *cough*Hist Bark*cough*
Yeah , I know it is a beginner set . That is why I get sad when I see experienced tanks running it ^^1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭techprince wrote: »Major Evasion will now be 15% instead of 20%. RIP Tava Builds?
well the ultimate increase was the real magic to tava anyhow.1 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's just 5% who cares? I'll still Tank with Tavas.If you're going to start a topic, don't just copy paste the title, give a better read.
Also, I don't know what a Tava build is and I'm sure there are others too, could you explain what these builds are, so we can understand why this is a big deal?
One of them is a 5 Tavas, 5 Ebon or Dragon and 2 Blood Spawn Tank build. If you keep shuffle active you gain your ultimate real quick. Works well with Aggressive Warhorn.
what this guys said1 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You guys do realize that Tava's Favor builds are not the current Meta of tanks and is highly overrated right? Tanks needs to use their ultimate in a rotation and for those rotations to stay solids its the healers not the tanks that needs to figure out how to get ultimate fast. Plus Tava's plus Bloodspawn is a terrible combo. Bloodspawn doesn't proc often at all and using Evasion limits it even more. Less so now I guess but still not often enough. Buff/Debuff Tanks are the Meta if anything. So making people switch from Tava's is a good thing in my eyes, cause it makes people switch from something that is sub par. And yes yes we all want to play how ever we want but that just isn't how a game system like this works no matter how much the devs say play like you want. And tanks will without a doubt still be using Major Evasion in one form or another, just not with Tava's I hope.2 -
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✭✭✭techprince wrote: »
You do not need Tava's for warhorn up time in a Trial group.1 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »techprince wrote: »
You do not need Tava's for warhorn up time in a Trial group.
There are other instances than trials.Edited by [Deleted User] on January 4, 2017 6:21PM0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
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Only place where it matterstechprince wrote: »There are other instances than trials.Edited by paulsimonps on January 4, 2017 5:54PM0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »
Only place where it matterstechprince wrote: »There are other instances than trials.
I highly disagree. Game is not only about trials. Other builds provide stats to the group via armor passives/skills, ult builds provide them via warhorn, its that simple.Edited by techprince on January 4, 2017 6:03PM1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭techprince wrote: »Major Evasion will now be 15% instead of 20%. RIP Tava Builds?
By using roll dodge you have 100% dodge chance.
Tanks with Tava will do good to keep this in mind.
You mean Rolling tanks? Lol you have no idea of tanking...
Good Tanks hardly moves to allow dps complete the job!0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf was needed in PVP but they did nerf PVE as well!Edited by Lord_Eomer on January 4, 2017 6:10PM0 -
sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭ZOS should make changes to crafted sets that ain't being used much at all.NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
PC-NA Ebonheart Pact Nord Stam Templar0
