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Unchained is nerf uncalled for

silky_soft
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The Lady
Unchained: This ability now reduces the cost of a single Stamina ability by 80% for 5 seconds instead of reducing the cost of all Stamina abilities used within 3 seconds by 80%.

Not like it's op like shield ulti
Haha block, ha rip.
Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • silky_soft
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    You also block, breakfree, dodge, sneak and sprint with stamina.
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • silky_soft
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    Still allows mag to do that
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • silky_soft
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    Because of that reason
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • Yuke
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    How do you know which ability will cost less for 5 seconds?

    The first one i use after breakfree?
    *** this *** im out.

    Noricum & Kitesquad™
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  • silky_soft
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    Yuke wrote: »
    How do you know which ability will cost less for 5 seconds?

    The first one i use after breakfree?

    yea first stam. Within 5s
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • Yuke
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    which probably will be vigor in 75% of the cases....[SNIP] change.

    [edited for profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_JohanaB on January 4, 2017 12:20PM
    *** this *** im out.

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  • Blackfyre20
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    silky_soft wrote: »
    Because of that reason

    Right, so whats the issue? Unchained was unbalanced vs the magicka potion CP passives. What do you want, free stam abilities so you only have to use stam to block, roll, and sprint?
    Buff Soft Caps
  • silky_soft
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    Or you could buff magika
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • ostrapz
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    As a stam main I honestly agree with this change and I think unchained was a small part of the inability to run characters out of resources. That being said there were a few other stam nerf but magicka got buffs in various places and I think magicka will take over this patch
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  • Yuke
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    Fact is:

    You get burst Damage after hard CC -> Your first Stamina-Skill will be Vigor -> A five seconds hot -> Wasted Change PvP-Wise.
    *** this *** im out.

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  • ostrapz
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    @yuke I disagree, other than vma cc is a nonexistent threat in pve so it's definitely geared to pvp. Also after a cc with previous unchained you typically cast vigor, shuffle ,Rally which is roughly 6-7k stam and is brought down in cost to about 2k total in cost. In comparison now performing those moves after cc in whichever order will now take you from a total of 6-7k stam spent down to 4-5k stam total which is an extra 2-3k spent now after being cc-ed compared to now
    Xbox 1 NA
    Stamblade: Grand overlord
    Stamsorc: Major
    Magplar: Centurion
    551k vma
  • alephthiago
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    Uncalled for?
    Several people already agreed unchained was too powerful in the past, just check the forums.
    Walks-in-Shadowss AD Magblade
    *** kitty AD Stamblade
    Paarthurnax's Will AD Magicka DK
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    Klogi Mugdul AD Stamina DK
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    Avenar Lolhealing AD Magicka Templar (being polished)

  • WillhelmBlack
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  • Yuke
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    In theory maybe. I studied my recorded fights the last couple of week in a very intense way (you can ask all Noricum members). And in a typical fight situation vs. 3-4 Enemies you dont have time to do something else but Dodgeroll after casting Vigor - the burst damage is simply to high atm.

    But yeah, things probably work differently on the US servers. I made this observation many times watching PvP videos from US where 90% of the enemies dont deal any dmg and spam light attacks in melee.

    I think its just a change without any effect in a typical pvp situation (2 proc blades + x). Nothing really to discuss, it just shows that the person who had that idea never was in PvP.
    *** this *** im out.

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  • dsalter
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    wouldn't halving the cost reduction to 40% have been a better middle ground change?
    PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread

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  • silky_soft
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    ostrapz wrote: »
    @yuke I disagree, other than vma cc is a nonexistent threat in pve so it's definitely geared to pvp. Also after a cc with previous unchained you typically cast vigor, shuffle ,Rally which is roughly 6-7k stam and is brought down in cost to about 2k total in cost. In comparison now performing those moves after cc in whichever order will now take you from a total of 6-7k stam spent down to 4-5k stam total which is an extra 2-3k spent now after being cc-ed compared to now

    Yeop, exactly. This with evasion nerf, might as well become vamp, slot 2H, 7H, 75 in tumble and use brute.
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • Toast_STS
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    Well it's a buff to my mDK since my only stam skill is retreating maneuvers. 2 extra seconds give me more breathing room to swap weapons when it's lagging.
    VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps
  • Malamar1229
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    lol this was the most Called for nerf in the entire notes
  • SnubbS
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    Stamina has to slot two damage sets to be on par with Magclasses who have to slot a sustain set. Think about that. Stam is getting it's sustain nerfed -- and it's survivability nerfed. This is a hundred times more damaging than VCurse being changed.
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    100% justified. Why should a heavy armour user with under 800 regen be able to cast shuffle, vigor and rally each time they are cc'd for 80% reduced cost on all of it?

    Its about time cc'ing stamina builds actually harmed them instead of benefiting them. I play stamina and only stamina. This change is great. This is a buff to regen builds like myself. Stacking all into maximum stats is now going to be harder then ever (sustain wise).

    This is actually a huge nerf to RedGuard stam sorc/dks. They crutched so hard on this passive it wasn't even funny.


    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on January 4, 2017 4:04AM
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  • silky_soft
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    100% justified. Why should a heavy armour user with under 800 regen be able to cast shuffle, vigor and rally each time they are cc'd for 80% reduced cost on all of it?

    Its about time cc'ing stamina builds actually harmed them instead of benefiting them. I play stamina and only stamina. This change is great. This is a buff to regen builds like myself. Stacking all into maximum stats is now going to be harder then ever (sustain wise).

    This is actually a huge nerf to RedGuard stam sorc/dks. They crutched so hard on this passive it wasn't even funny.


    "Why should heavy armour users with unmitigated free stat return be able to cast shuffle." Fixed that for you.

    It's actually a massive nerf to any race that's not redguard. Redguards passive is still op even after it's nerf, should be a new medium armour 7p trait.
    Haha block, ha rip.
    Here $15, goat mount please. Not paying 45 : lol :
    Netch is free with a cleanse and free magika. You nerf siphon into the ground. Nice balance team.
  • Sanct16
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    @Yuke

    I'm pretty sure what they mean is that the first skill you use will be 80% cheaper the first time you use it. If you repeatedly use that ability, the following activations will have the "normal" cost.

    And tbh I think this is a good change. The amount of sustain you got as a Stambuild just from this CP passive was a bit over the top compared to other CP passives.
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  • OdinForge
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    Good change, one of the few good changes in fact.
    The Age of Wrobel.
  • Yuke
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    Wow, really. Magicka Temps and DKs can play with Infinite-Rose and people still complain about Unchained passive. Well, whatever, im out of here...

    Let me just tell you that there is a reason why i stack 100% mag cost increase poison on top of 60% mag cost increase poison atm.
    *** this *** im out.

    Noricum & Kitesquad™
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