Should ZOS allow jewelry quality upgrading in Crafting

NewBlacksmurf

I'm not pushing any jewelry crafting ideas. I'd be fine with the ability to upgrade the quality using existing materials. I'd think BS would work as it's metal but curious what others think.

EldritchPenguin

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

The less the devs force us to continuously pound our heads against the RNG wall to get our BiS items, the better.

Palidon

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

You are barking up a tree on this one. Players have been asking for jewelry crafting since this games beta release. ZOS has never given a reason why there is no jewelry crafting.

Fudly_budly

Other...

They never will give this either. When you understand Skinner boxes, you'll understand why. RNG is their rice bowl. It really is that simple folks.

GreenhaloX

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Blows when giving all efforts soloing big bosses or dungeons and then get blue jewelry drops. Oh, I'm sure there will probably be critiques on why are you soloing bosses and dungeons. Well, to pre-emptive strike those potential critics.. sometimes you just to roll solo and get a bit more challenge or test out your new build. So, with doing so, much more efforts are put into it versus from a group. Therefore, after sweating through such fights, you're are rewarded with a non-upgradeable jewelry piece. However, if jewelry pieces are upgradeable, all whining and crying will then cease.

Wing

they should allow jewelry crafting full stop.

mtwiggz

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

The less the devs force us to continuously pound our heads against the RNG wall to get our BiS items, the better.

Agreed. Add in jewelry crafting too.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Palidon wrote: »

You are barking up a tree on this one. Players have been asking for jewelry crafting since this games beta release. ZOS has never given a reason why there is no jewelry crafting.

@Palidon
They've pretty much not made jewelry crafting not a thing however improving existing drops using the same material tier systems in place shouldn't be a lot to ask for right?

Savos_Saren

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

While I understand that ZoS needs RNG- I do think that they should offer jewelry upgrades (NOT CRAFTING) since not all jewelry can reach legendary quality. I'd love to see a SPC or BSW legendary ring. Or even a legendary overland set ring like Akaviri Dragonguard.

It seems that it would be a good compromise since they put Spellcrafting on the back burner. Of course, you'd have to have level 50 in metalworking and they could make the tempers actual gold... so it would cost a set amount of gold to upgrade a ring to legendary status.

STEVIL

No, jewelry should not be upgradeable

No more "crafting exists to support drops" until crafted equip gets upgrades.

Even then, let jewels be unique to drop sets and their quality part of the draw for upper-tier content.

Giuve crafting and drops different capabilities, not same.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

STEVIL wrote: »

No more "crafting exists to support drops" until crafted equip gets upgrades.

Even then, let jewels be unique to drop sets and their quality part of the draw for upper-tier content.

Giuve crafting and drops different capabilities, not same.

???? @STEVIL
All drops are upgradeable except for jewelry thus the thread. Craftable sets are good but they are in tiers so that's why so many are less valuable.
Did I missunderstand your comment?

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Most definitely.

I'd like ZOS to add in full Jewelry Crafting as a new crafting skill, but I'd still be just as happy if they at least allowed us to upgrade Jewelry we get in Loot.

redspecter23

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Do I want jewelry upgrading? Definitely! Do I think they'll do it? Not with the way things are currently set up.

SuperLarrio

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

I have high hopes that someday jewelry upgrading will be available. For some reason i have this fantasy that upgrade mats will come from breaking down other jewelry pieces...so decon gold ring, get gold jewelry upgrade mat. Maybe thats just my minds excuse for saving 20+ damn gold yokeda jewelry pieces, who knows

NewBlacksmurf

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

SuperLarrio wrote: »

I have high hopes that someday jewelry upgrading will be available. For some reason i have this fantasy that upgrade mats will come from breaking down other jewelry pieces...so decon gold ring, get gold jewelry upgrade mat. Maybe thats just my minds excuse for saving 20+ damn gold yokeda jewelry pieces, who knows

I agree it should work both ways.
It fells odd vendoring purple and gold items as a crafter but yeah.....

STEVIL

No, jewelry should not be upgradeable

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

No more "crafting exists to support drops" until crafted equip gets upgrades.

Even then, let jewels be unique to drop sets and their quality part of the draw for upper-tier content.

Giuve crafting and drops different capabilities, not same.

???? @STEVIL
All drops are upgradeable except for jewelry thus the thread. Craftable sets are good but they are in tiers so that's why so many are less valuable.
Did I missunderstand your comment?

I cannot say whether you understood or not.

My view is no more additional "craft support for drop sets" until crafted equip gets the 1T uptick it deserves.

So, no to jewel upgrades for drop sets, no to trait change for drop sets, no to motif change for drop sets, etc.

On the more specific issue, jewels are the only gear currentky where quality is not upgradeable, meaning running the higher content is important. That means it has incentives. I doubt its going to be good for zos new model to just swap that out.

Also, with jewels being one of the uniquely drop only components i dont want any change that makes it less unique. IMO crafted and drops need more things that make them different from each other, not more overlap. That way both can be viable pursuits.

A_Pig

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Yes absolutely. This along with account wide mount training & new class are top things I would welcome. Class is the only one I really think might happen though.

Lord_Eomer

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

How many more threads, polls to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

SuperLarrio

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

How many more threads, pools to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

Will pools be craftable with housing?
Maybe a poll to see if people want pools available?

STEVIL

No, jewelry should not be upgradeable

SuperLarrio wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

How many more threads, pools to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

Will pools be craftable with housing?
Maybe a poll to see if people want pools available?

Thats gonna take a lot of clear water to fill.

Lord_Eomer

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

SuperLarrio wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

How many more threads, pools to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

Will pools be craftable with housing?
Maybe a poll to see if people want pools available?

Ignore Typo ;-) edited!

Recremen

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Would kind of half spoil The Golden vendor but it still sounds good to me.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

STEVIL wrote: »

SuperLarrio wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

How many more threads, pools to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

Will pools be craftable with housing?
Maybe a poll to see if people want pools available?

Thats gonna take a lot of clear water to fill.

STEVIL wrote: »

SuperLarrio wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

How many more threads, pools to come? Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno ...

Will pools be craftable with housing?
Maybe a poll to see if people want pools available?

Thats gonna take a lot of clear water to fill.

Just use Lorkhan's Tears. They're free-flowing from what I hear.

TheSeer

Other...

Should they isn't the question you should be asking, its would they.

Danksta

No, jewelry should not be upgradeable

There's currently very little reason to run vet trials, if this were implemented there would be absolutely no reason to.

Bandit1215

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

No more "crafting exists to support drops" until crafted equip gets upgrades.

Even then, let jewels be unique to drop sets and their quality part of the draw for upper-tier content.

Giuve crafting and drops different capabilities, not same.

???? @STEVIL
All drops are upgradeable except for jewelry thus the thread. Craftable sets are good but they are in tiers so that's why so many are less valuable.
Did I missunderstand your comment?

He means the crafted gear for the most part is underwhelming compared to dropped sets, other than maybe tavas favor or tbs. I agree that crafted sets need a buff or something because a lot of them are very lackluster.

Karius_Imalthar

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

Even as contentious as it would be I would even be ok if this was a crown store thing.

bryanhaas

No, jewelry should not be upgradeable

I say no but we should have jewelry crafting.

leeux

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

YES! But with some restrictions... ((I think this idea is from @HeroOfNone originally, or at least I heard him expressing it on stream.))

I think they should add an upgrade path by requiring you to have a number of the lower tier rings/amulets to be able to generate 1 of the superior tier, plus requiring some "catalyzer" material that can only drop (open to discussion, ofc.) in trials (or maybe hard mode, veteran dungeons.)

Something like this, X units for tier-1 + Y units of catalyser = 1 unit for desired tier.

I.e. take: 2 green rings + 1 catalyzer = 1 blue ring.
Or, 8 purple rings + 2 catalyser = 1 gold ring.

Numbers are example only and they should be determined as function of how difficult is to get the catalyser and the drop rate of rings (and maybe, where they come from, maybe... as in, trial rings are much more difficult to get than overland rings, for example)

W.r.t. the catalyzer, I'm thinking something akin to the item that mystics sells to convert the glass fragments into motif pieces. Maybe they could also be obtained my completing quests (like, zone main quests... and/or weekly trial quests give a guarantee drop, while there's a chance to get one as a drop from the last boss.)

NewBlacksmurf

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

leeux wrote: »

YES! But with some restrictions... ((I think this idea is from @HeroOfNone originally, or at least I heard him expressing it on stream.))

I think they should add an upgrade path by requiring you to have a number of the lower tier rings/amulets to be able to generate 1 of the superior tier, plus requiring some "catalyzer" material that can only drop (open to discussion, ofc.) in trials (or maybe hard mode, veteran dungeons.)

Something like this, X units for tier-1 + Y units of catalyser = 1 unit for desired tier.

I.e. take: 2 green rings + 1 catalyzer = 1 blue ring.
Or, 8 purple rings + 2 catalyser = 1 gold ring.

Numbers are example only and they should be determined as function of how difficult is to get the catalyser and the drop rate of rings (and maybe, where they come from, maybe... as in, trial rings are much more difficult to get than overland rings, for example)

W.r.t. the catalyzer, I'm thinking something akin to the item that mystics sells to convert the glass fragments into motif pieces. Maybe they could also be obtained my completing quests (like, zone main quests... and/or weekly trial quests give a guarantee drop, while there's a chance to get one as a drop from the last boss.)

I disagree that any extra complexity should be added. It has to work just like any existing crafting upgrade

leeux

Yes, jewelry quality upgrades should be added

I disagree with your disagree, adding a new "catalyser" like mat similar to the glass motif one, is faaar more simpler than extending a crafting profession, by far.

EDIT: Also, if they extend the BS profession, like you suggest, AT LEAST they'd need to add extra skill points to it, so AT LEAST it requires some investment for part of the crafter. If they don't and they only enable upgrading ring with existing mats, the overall result is that EVERYONE will be running with gold rings jewelry in a few weeks. That's not a realistic expectation, IMO.