Magicka Nightblade High Elf Staff Build. Elegant or Stygian?

bigmanebiggu

I am making a staff gank build for my magicka nightblade and wanted to know what set is better for ganking in pvp. My current 5 piece is the clever alchemist which gives me these stats:

(2 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(3 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage / Weapon Damage

(5 Items) When you drink a potion you feel a rush of energy, gaining 653 Weapon and Spell Damage for 15 seconds.

And these are the 2 other sets that people are recommending me to go with

Elegant:

(2 items) Adds 126 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(4 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(5 items) Light and heavy attack damage increased by 20.0%.

Stygian:

(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) While you are Sneaking or invisible, your Spell Damage and Max Magicka is increased by 20%.

Any help is appreciated thanks very much.

Xvorg

Stygian.

CavalryPK

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

I am making a staff gank build for my magicka nightblade and wanted to know what set is better for ganking in pvp. My current 5 piece is the clever alchemist which gives me these stats:

(2 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(3 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage / Weapon Damage

(5 Items) When you drink a potion you feel a rush of energy, gaining 653 Weapon and Spell Damage for 15 seconds.

And these are the 2 other sets that people are recommending me to go with

Elegant:

(2 items) Adds 126 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(4 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(5 items) Light and heavy attack damage increased by 20.0%.

Stygian:

(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) While you are Sneaking or invisible, your Spell Damage and Max Magicka is increased by 20%.

Any help is appreciated thanks very much.

Both Sets look good. I don't know if Heavy destro Attack benefits from 5x bonus from Stygian. (can any one confirm?)

I would probably go with elegant, if i am using destro staff... since i start my gank with potion + inner light + shadow Dis + Heavy Desto (bonus from Elegant) +Clench + Harvest+ Impale

I would go with Stygian, if i am using Dual wield... since i start my gank with potion + inner light + Harvest (bonus from Stygian) + Fear + 1 or 2 CP + Impale.

Xvorg

mihran.akopyan_ESO wrote: »

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

I am making a staff gank build for my magicka nightblade and wanted to know what set is better for ganking in pvp. My current 5 piece is the clever alchemist which gives me these stats:

(2 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(3 Items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health

(4 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage / Weapon Damage

(5 Items) When you drink a potion you feel a rush of energy, gaining 653 Weapon and Spell Damage for 15 seconds.

And these are the 2 other sets that people are recommending me to go with

Elegant:

(2 items) Adds 126 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(4 items) Adds 945 Max Magicka

(5 items) Light and heavy attack damage increased by 20.0%.

Stygian:

(2 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

(5 items) While you are Sneaking or invisible, your Spell Damage and Max Magicka is increased by 20%.

Any help is appreciated thanks very much.

Both Sets look good. I don't know if Heavy destro Attack benefits from 5x bonus from Stygian. (can any one confirm?)

I would probably go with elegant, if i am using destro staff... since i start my gank with potion + inner light + shadow Dis + Heavy Desto (bonus from Elegant) +Clench + Harvest+ Impale

I would go with Stygian, if i am using Dual wield... since i start my gank with potion + inner light + Harvest (bonus from Stygian) + Fear + 1 or 2 CP + Impale.

Stygian increases the dmg of light and heavy attacks from stealth. Elegance is specially good for sorcs with lightning staff and overload.

edit: for a NB, Stygian + Master Assasin passive = 30% extra spell dmg from stealth.

CavalryPK

Xvorg wrote: »

Stygian increases the dmg of light and heavy attacks from stealth. Elegance is specially good for sorcs with lightning staff and overload.

In that case Stygian all the way. unless you can to Stygian + Elegant... if the Dmg would stack together.

Berenhir

Stygian is bugged. Max Magicka only applies after weapon swap in stealth.

Brrrofski

Necropotence.

alephthiago

Stygian is lost as soon as you break stealth, jewelry is robust, unused bonus etc etc
I have tested both and only a clown or someone who never used it would recommend stygian
(btw it takes seconds after you enter stealth to have the bonus again).

For your second set i would recommend alchemist.

I have hit some poor medium armor users for 25k in the heavy attack opener alone.

psychotic13

Elegant over Stygian

lynog85

stygian doesnt work properly. its also a medium set. Dont bother with it

bigmanebiggu

lynog85 wrote: »

stygian doesnt work properly. its also a medium set. Dont bother with it

what do you mean "it doesn't work properly"? How does it not?

psychotic13

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

stygian doesnt work properly. its also a medium set. Dont bother with it

what do you mean "it doesn't work properly"? How does it not?

As stated already in the thread, Max magicka bonus only applies once you've weapon swapped.

FleetwoodSmack

psychotic13 wrote: »

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

stygian doesnt work properly. its also a medium set. Dont bother with it

what do you mean "it doesn't work properly"? How does it not?

As stated already in the thread, Max magicka bonus only applies once you've weapon swapped.

Pretty much this. If I had a choice, I'd roll Elegant over Stygian. Stealth also isn't always reliable. Supposedly in Update 13 it will be, but I'm not holding my breath.

bigmanebiggu

psychotic13 wrote: »

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

stygian doesnt work properly. its also a medium set. Dont bother with it

what do you mean "it doesn't work properly"? How does it not?

As stated already in the thread, Max magicka bonus only applies once you've weapon swapped.

That is not correct I am literally sat here right now with my main bar on without swapping and the spell dam and max magicka goes up.

WuffyCerulei

Go both!

Tryxus

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Lexxypwns

Staff heavy attacks take you out of stealth, stygian is 100% useless

bigmanebiggu

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Staff heavy attacks take you out of stealth, stygian is 100% useless

You just pop shadowy disguise again and you do not lose buff either.

bigmanebiggu

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

I hear a load of people saying this, why is it so much better?

bigmanebiggu

+have you even tested it or just following what other people have said?

alephthiago

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Necropotence for a gank build? You might aswell whisper your target warning him about the gank or running to them and light attacking just to make them aware of your presence lol.

Tryxus

alephthiago wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Necropotence for a gank build? You might aswell whisper your target warning him about the gank or running to them and light attacking just to make them aware of your presence lol.

Obviously, you're not going to use the shade and proc the 5pc bonus. But you are going to want to stack as much Magicka as you can (first 3 bonuses).

bigmanebiggu

Tryxus wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Necropotence for a gank build? You might aswell whisper your target warning him about the gank or running to them and light attacking just to make them aware of your presence lol.

Obviously, you're not going to use the shade and proc the 5pc bonus. But you are going to want to stack as much Magicka as you can (first 3 bonuses).

you get more magicka with stygian. 20% more max mag and spell damage

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Stygian+Set

alephthiago

Yeah op, go with stygian, make it golden too, its a good investment

PrinceRyzen

alephthiago wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Necropotence for a gank build? You might aswell whisper your target warning him about the gank or running to them and light attacking just to make them aware of your presence lol.

Aside from not being able to cast shadow without alerting the target, how does Necropotence perform damage wise, when heavy attack ganking?

In general I'm curious to know what combinations you've been able to test and what has worked best. (I haven't the gold to test much myself)

Lastly, has anyone tried ganking in heavy armor? I'm wondering if Clever alchemist in heavy could be pulled off.

psychotic13

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Necropotence beats both

Alchemist + Necro would be the way to go

Necropotence for a gank build? You might aswell whisper your target warning him about the gank or running to them and light attacking just to make them aware of your presence lol.

Obviously, you're not going to use the shade and proc the 5pc bonus. But you are going to want to stack as much Magicka as you can (first 3 bonuses).

you get more magicka with stygian. 20% more max mag and spell damage

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Stygian+Set

Only while stealthed, as soon as you use your first attack your bonuses have gone, and it's a medium set it's just not worth it, you need the penetration and spell crit from light Armor passives.

What if the enemy uses magelight or detection pots so you can't stealth? Your 5pc bonus is deemed completely useless. The bonuses don't always apply the second you go into stealth too, it's unreliable and a complete trash set. I tried it myself because I though it would have potential, I was wrong and wasted my time farming it.

Alchemist and elegant is the best for destro ganking, necropotence is good but sometimes the shades blow your cover.

Enslaved

Vicious Death. That one plus Clever Alchemist will make you zerg train conducter.

bigmanebiggu

After this i've decided to use my current bow gank cancer build for the highest efficient ganking Morag Tong, Marksman and Velidreth, can 2 shot heavy armour builds with 32k ish. I may however replace stygian with elegance and try something new. Viciousw death has always occured to me as a nightblade as all you need is that one quick kill and boom.

Berenhir

If you don't use the shade, better wear destruction mastery than necropotence. There are arcane Stygian rings though, but only blue quality. The set is utter rubbish. Bonus should last 2 secs after breaking stealth.

Volrion

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

After this i've decided to use my current bow gank cancer build for the highest efficient ganking Morag Tong, Marksman and Velidreth, can 2 shot heavy armour builds with 32k ish. I may however replace stygian with elegance and try something new. Viciousw death has always occured to me as a nightblade as all you need is that one quick kill and boom.

I haven't used my vamp High Elf NB in a while, but with 400cp I was able to "one shot" (561cp) players up to 26k health (depending on armor/impen set up etc.) running purple alchmemist/elegance and one piece kena.

Potion>Inner light>heavy flame destro cancelled with a veiled strike... insta gib

Didn't even need impale or soul harvest for the average kill.

I'd probably recommend swallow soul + impale instead of veiled so you can keep your distance and also benefit from the +8% max Magicka buff from siphoning skill tree.

I'm thinking of bringing him back when update 13 hits and benefit from the single target flame staff buff. I'll be at CP cap by then, and I'll also have money to make my amor gold too

PrinceRyzen

SourishWhale wrote: »

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

After this i've decided to use my current bow gank cancer build for the highest efficient ganking Morag Tong, Marksman and Velidreth, can 2 shot heavy armour builds with 32k ish. I may however replace stygian with elegance and try something new. Viciousw death has always occured to me as a nightblade as all you need is that one quick kill and boom.

I haven't used my vamp High Elf NB in a while, but with 400cp I was able to "one shot" (561cp) players up to 26k health (depending on armor/impen set up etc.) running purple alchmemist/elegance and one piece kena.

Potion>Inner light>heavy flame destro cancelled with a veiled strike... insta gib

Didn't even need impale or soul harvest for the average kill.

I'd probably recommend swallow soul + impale instead of veiled so you can keep your distance and also benefit from the +8% max Magicka buff from siphoning skill tree.

I'm thinking of bringing him back when update 13 hits and benefit from the single target flame staff buff. I'll be at CP cap by then, and I'll also have money to make my amor gold too

I like the damage buff but I'm a bit worried about them removing the charge speed reduction.

If the patch notes hold true, heavy attacks will be 10% slower. It was already a challenge getting the heavy attack to benefit from shadowy disguise if at all.