Let's Talk Nightblade PvE

cpuScientist

The Nightblade is a fun class, however suffers in terms of PvE DPS.

It is not as bad as many make it out to be and the best way to explain them is they are a slightly worst spec damagewise.

However as they have gotten no real change in a year except nerfs to stealth and funnel. Can we talk about the things that would make this class great again.

One thing I feel is needed and should change is Merciless resolve and it's morph. This skill should get the burning embers treatment, in that casting it again resets the timer, so when I fire off the bow it resets and I don't have to then re cast the buff, it is just very wonky as is currently.

Twisting and refreshing oath could use a damage bump and to be fixed as to whether it is a dot or not lol.

Siphoning strikes an amazing skill truly on of the best resource management tools. This skill could use a slight boost to time before needing to recast... And perhaps add in major sorcery brutality (not needed) just would be nice lol. However the other morph really should drop the damage penalty and just restore lesser amount of all three or have the secondary effect only be health.

Let funnel affect 2 other players as it did before.

What other changes could be added? Is everyone satisfied with their Nightblade? Honestly the merciless resolve is the biggest one in my opinion.

Foxic

I'm for a twisting buff or adding utility to it, but I think refreshing is fine as it is. Magicka nb already has in my opinion the top magicka single target if they're played in melee. They just need help in the cleave damage department that all of the other magicka dps are so good at

I'm all for your merciless suggestion or having it add a unique buff because your healer should be giving you berserk anyway.

I honestly can't think of any other buffs that wouldn't make them too strong in pvp. The most minor changes can completely change pvp or pve meta.

IwakuraLain42

Please fix weaving both with Strife and Surprise Attack so that Merciless Resolve works reliably (on a controller). Currently it's hard work to get weaving to work at all.

Vash747

Really Nightblades aren't in a bad place, I wish as a stamina character in pve I could get in on some trials but people act like since I'm stamina I'm no good for anything. I'd like it if they could look into a way to make stamina viable in people's eyes for vet trials and whatnot.

itsfatbass

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

OutLaw_Nynx

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

G0ku

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Please fix weaving both with Strife and Surprise Attack so that Merciless Resolve works reliably (on a controller). Currently it's hard work to get weaving to work at all.

y, a fix to weave would be a major step

itsfatbass

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

Jaronking

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

What is his max magic and spell damage it's a reason people don't go for such high crit.You start losing max stats and spell damage.

Rohamad_Ali

Good list . I wish shades were a little more effective and aspect of terrors other morph no one uses .

leepalmer95

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Good list . I wish shades were a little more effective and aspect of terrors other morph no one uses .

It would be nice is aspect acted like a hardish hitting dot.

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Please fix weaving both with Strife and Surprise Attack so that Merciless Resolve works reliably (on a controller). Currently it's hard work to get weaving to work at all.

It would also be nice if they make the proc's assassins will cost when you cast whatever merciless costs when you apply the buff but when you actually use the will proc it auto recasts the buff.

So you don't have too cast will then recast the buff again, it's a little dps loss and this would be a nice little dps increase

itsfatbass

Jaronking wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

What is his max magic and spell damage it's a reason people don't go for such high crit.You start losing max stats and spell damage.

Mag around 41k and SD around 2200

magnusthorek

During this festival I made my first magblade. It's very nice on AoE fights but it's very hard on bosses and stationary big mobs (like summoned Xivkyn in ICP).

The biggest problem is that's their bread-and-butter skills have stupidly long animations. To the point of being almost impossible to weave forcing people to rely more weapon skills DoTs than in class abilities. What's the point in being a magblade if I'll pretty much use destro staff skills?

Also I felt sustain terrible specially in quick PUGs or randoms. Siphoning Strikes have such a great potential but only 10% chance? C'mon!

The Magicka execute is not worse than Stamina version (both sucks) but the morph effect allow us to go range. Why?! If magblades rely more on DoTs that have much shorter range, what's the point statung so far away?

Worse! Most of the top end-game bosses require us to stay stacked, moving as little as possible and not running wilde like headless chickens.

I had a terrible experience today in my first trio of pledges as magblade because I wasn't aware of these particularities. Eventually I'll get its mojo but I don't see ut going wirh stratospheric numbers like other classes.

Izaki

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

What is his max magic and spell damage it's a reason people don't go for such high crit.You start losing max stats and spell damage.

Mag around 41k and SD around 2200

Tell your mate to post a DPS parse because I highly doubt he pulls much with these sets. Also tell him that running a precise weapon isn't viable at all in the current meta (unless he has an optimised group, which obviously isn,t the case). And finally its impossible to get 95% unbuffed critical hit chance on a magicka character. Its possible on a khajiit stamblade with 2 precise daggers, leviathan, vicious ophidian (or any other set bonus with 6% crit), 7 medium armor pieces all legendary divines with Thief mundus, 3 assassination skills on his bar, major savagery (from pot) and minor savagery. All that = 100% crit chance. If you change anything at all, you'll below. So yeah, an unbuffed 95% crit chance isn't possible on a magicka build (nor stam build).

Izaki

magnusthorek wrote: »

During this festival I made my first magblade. It's very nice on AoE fights but it's very hard on bosses and stationary big mobs (like summoned Xivkyn in ICP).

The biggest problem is that's their bread-and-butter skills have stupidly long animations. To the point of being almost impossible to weave forcing people to rely more weapon skills DoTs than in class abilities. What's the point in being a magblade if I'll pretty much use destro staff skills?

Also I felt sustain terrible specially in quick PUGs or randoms. Siphoning Strikes have such a great potential but only 10% chance? C'mon!

The Magicka execute is not worse than Stamina version (both sucks) but the morph effect allow us to go range. Why?! If magblades rely more on DoTs that have much shorter range, what's the point statung so far away?

Worse! Most of the top end-game bosses require us to stay stacked, moving as little as possible and not running wilde like headless chickens.

I had a terrible experience today in my first trio of pledges as magblade because I wasn't aware of these particularities. Eventually I'll get its mojo but I don't see ut going wirh stratospheric numbers like other classes.

Learn to... play your NB? They are the class with by far the hardest rotations and the most micro-managing.

The executes on both mag and stam are extremely strong (50k ish with full raid buffs).

If you can't sustain with siphoning attacks it means you're not light attacking at all. It has a 100% chance to restore resources on light and heavy attacks and a 10% chance to restore resources on abilities.

I really don't see how a stationary fight is harder than a mobile fight... Make sure you know your rotations!

Its still possible to pull higher than 50k DPS on NB. Its just bloody hard

SublimeSparo

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

What is his max magic and spell damage it's a reason people don't go for such high crit.You start losing max stats and spell damage.

Mag around 41k and SD around 2200

Tell your mate to post a DPS parse because I highly doubt he pulls much with these sets. Also tell him that running a precise weapon isn't viable at all in the current meta (unless he has an optimised group, which obviously isn,t the case). And finally its impossible to get 95% unbuffed critical hit chance on a magicka character. Its possible on a khajiit stamblade with 2 precise daggers, leviathan, vicious ophidian (or any other set bonus with 6% crit), 7 medium armor pieces all legendary divines with Thief mundus, 3 assassination skills on his bar, major savagery (from pot) and minor savagery. All that = 100% crit chance. If you change anything at all, you'll below. So yeah, an unbuffed 95% crit chance isn't possible on a magicka build (nor stam build).

Yea i have a khajiit stamplar running 5p nmg, 5pc alkosh with dual precise daggers, thief mundus, and that sits around 90% crit with major savagery (not all gear is gold either)

inf.toniceb17_ESO

My only issue with NBs is survivability of stamblades. The only thing we have to keep ourselves alive is vigor and its often is not enough. We have no stamina-based damage shields and our class heals scale off magicka damage that we do so they are usless for stamblades.

Brrrofski

inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

My only issue with NBs is survivability of stamblades. The only thing we have to keep ourselves alive is vigor and its often is not enough. We have no stamina-based damage shields and our class heals scale off magicka damage that we do so they are usless for stamblades.

Cloak and dodge roll. Also have the option of heals from weapons like rally, bloodlust and bloodthirst as well as Magnum shot.

Stamblade do not need anything more for PvP.

ArchMikem

My Stamblade is horribly single target focused, only real AoE damage i can do is Power Extraction and Steel Tornado, but whenever i try to use those i always just go back to slotting Flying Blade and Rapid Strikes cause they just feel and perform better, yet that just means im back to the one at a time approach.

My Magsorc on the other hand is a PvE BEAST. Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning, Wall of Shock, and Shock staff Heavy Attacks just melts everything. Its just not my MAIN main character, which kinda sucks.

magnusthorek

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Learn to... play your NB? They are the class with by far the hardest rotations and the most micro-managing.

I will, eventually. For now I need to learn how to weave with funnel health. My character raises her arm indicating she would perform the light attack, but she doesn't lower it to effectively complete the attack.

sneakymitchell

Nbs are the best way to gain Ultimate due to the Potion drink that give u 20 and siphoning abilities gives u ultimate and if I'm correct the ultimate cool down is a lot wuicker I think than DK and Templar. Pretty much use a decent potion be argonion and just keep those resources up cause u have way better substain than any class pretty much.

cpuScientist

magnusthorek wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Learn to... play your NB? They are the class with by far the hardest rotations and the most micro-managing.

I will, eventually. For now I need to learn how to weave with funnel health. My character raises her arm indicating she would perform the light attack, but she doesn't lower it to effectively complete the attack.

Yes weaving with funnel is a pain so far. One of the reasons many use force pulse, well that and certain sets like BSW and the like. For slot of the skills the weaving is off.

cpuScientist

I forgot to mention shades. They steal heals and SOC procs, can this change please. Also they need to do a bit more damage I know they are mainly a PvP skill at the moment for repositioning and minor main, but the main doesn't last long enough at all. And they could be a decent pressure tool if they did a bit more da.age not to mention a good DPS dot in PvE. Buff the damage and fix the heal and spc steals.

cpuScientist

And just a question for discussion purposes, but the other morph of cloak use to remove fits and the like, this was taken away. And now the other morph is more usually used. Could this either be brought back, only removing say 2 effects. Or a small hot be added while cloaked...

cpuScientist

For stamBlades they have no good heal it's true. They are the squishiest of all classes. Some kind of heal would be nice no sure from what source. Maybe the stamBlade can get the other morph of cripple and it be a got heal similar to the dual wield skill but a touch stronger, it would help stamBlade DPS and give them some healing. Depends though of course. The stamBlade is tricky in that they are quite strong in PvP and to many buffs can really push them too far.

cpuScientist

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Nbs are the best way to gain Ultimate due to the Potion drink that give u 20 and siphoning abilities gives u ultimate and if I'm correct the ultimate cool down is a lot wuicker I think than DK and Templar. Pretty much use a decent potion be argonion and just keep those resources up cause u have way better substain than any class pretty much.

Yes sustain when you get weaving down pat is nice. In combat metrics siphoning attacks was beating out my base regeneration on perfect weaves. Usually it sat at about half, although I do have low low Regen lol. But if magicka is empty just activate siphoning g and do funnel weaves you will be gaining magicka lol. Best sustain for me even better than my DK, and he has great sustain with electric drain and ultimates.

And yes ultimate generates fast. If you have killers blade on the back bar and meteor on the front bar you activate it and bar swap and into you start sapping and you can drop another meteor in a FEW seconds and drink a lot too lol. It's so good for bug thrash pulls like in VMoL...

inf.toniceb17_ESO

Brrrofski wrote: »

inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

My only issue with NBs is survivability of stamblades. The only thing we have to keep ourselves alive is vigor and its often is not enough. We have no stamina-based damage shields and our class heals scale off magicka damage that we do so they are usless for stamblades.

Cloak and dodge roll. Also have the option of heals from weapons like rally, bloodlust and bloodthirst as well as Magnum shot.

Stamblade do not need anything more for PvP.

I was talking about PvE. PvP in this game is something i prefer to avoid like plague for too many reasons.
So yeah all those skills you mentioned will kill my DPS in PvE so they are not an option.

itsfatbass

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

I don't have personal experience with nightblade PvE but I do group with my buddy who is a mag nightblade and has some massive dps all day long. Critical rating sits at 95% unbuffed for him.

What sets is he running?

@jphipps85b14_ESO1

Mother sorrow, Julianos and iceheart.

What is his max magic and spell damage it's a reason people don't go for such high crit.You start losing max stats and spell damage.

Mag around 41k and SD around 2200

Tell your mate to post a DPS parse because I highly doubt he pulls much with these sets. Also tell him that running a precise weapon isn't viable at all in the current meta (unless he has an optimised group, which obviously isn,t the case). And finally its impossible to get 95% unbuffed critical hit chance on a magicka character. Its possible on a khajiit stamblade with 2 precise daggers, leviathan, vicious ophidian (or any other set bonus with 6% crit), 7 medium armor pieces all legendary divines with Thief mundus, 3 assassination skills on his bar, major savagery (from pot) and minor savagery. All that = 100% crit chance. If you change anything at all, you'll below. So yeah, an unbuffed 95% crit chance isn't possible on a magicka build (nor stam build).

His exact % unbuffed is 95.2%. And he does just fine DPS for everything. 30k+ single target. That's far more than sufficient.

code65536

cpuScientist wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Learn to... play your NB? They are the class with by far the hardest rotations and the most micro-managing.

I will, eventually. For now I need to learn how to weave with funnel health. My character raises her arm indicating she would perform the light attack, but she doesn't lower it to effectively complete the attack.

Yes weaving with funnel is a pain so far. One of the reasons many use force pulse, well that and certain sets like BSW and the like. For slot of the skills the weaving is off.

It's a matter of what you're used to. I main a magblade and it's, by far, the character that I play the most. I have no issues with Funnel weaves. Force Pulse, on the other hand, feels downright clunky and broken, and I hate weaving it.

exeeter702

cpuScientist wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Nbs are the best way to gain Ultimate due to the Potion drink that give u 20 and siphoning abilities gives u ultimate and if I'm correct the ultimate cool down is a lot wuicker I think than DK and Templar. Pretty much use a decent potion be argonion and just keep those resources up cause u have way better substain than any class pretty much.

Yes sustain when you get weaving down pat is nice. In combat metrics siphoning attacks was beating out my base regeneration on perfect weaves. Usually it sat at about half, although I do have low low Regen lol. But if magicka is empty just activate siphoning g and do funnel weaves you will be gaining magicka lol. Best sustain for me even better than my DK, and he has great sustain with electric drain and ultimates.

And yes ultimate generates fast. If you have killers blade on the back bar and meteor on the front bar you activate it and bar swap and into you start sapping and you can drop another meteor in a FEW seconds and drink a lot too lol. It's so good for bug thrash pulls like in VMoL...

Surely you mean soul harvest

exeeter702

inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

My only issue with NBs is survivability of stamblades. The only thing we have to keep ourselves alive is vigor and its often is not enough. We have no stamina-based damage shields and our class heals scale off magicka damage that we do so they are usless for stamblades.

Cloak and dodge roll. Also have the option of heals from weapons like rally, bloodlust and bloodthirst as well as Magnum shot.

Stamblade do not need anything more for PvP.

I was talking about PvE. PvP in this game is something i prefer to avoid like plague for too many reasons.
So yeah all those skills you mentioned will kill my DPS in PvE so they are not an option.

No offense but outside of pvp, what type of survivability is even needed? For real end game dps, you really have no business slotting any type of self heals at all. And outside of vma which all the affromentioned skills are critical, solo content is a joke and you would have to be asleep to run the risk of dieing