So DK buffs. Are they really going do it and make it great again.

sneakymitchell

Ardent flame abilities are fine but what about the other two skill trees? Most the morphs are just weak and some ain't even used at all. (Example ash cloud, stone fist, dragon blood, and most morphs players don't use like other Morph of petrified and shatter shield. Even stone fist they updated it so u can spam it to do more damage to stun enemies really? The skill isn't meant to be spammed twice or do more damage to stun targets.)

Silver_Strider

There are oh so many ways they could buff DK

They could make Cauterize actually useful and have it apply to 2 people every 1.5 seconds for the duration (INCLUDING the caster itself)

They could allow Stone Fist apply Minor Breach/Fracture as a morph option.

They could increase the radius of Ash Cloud or make it give Major Evasion while within it's radius, like it used to.

They could change Dragon's Blood to give a flat amount of health back and have that heal increase in effectiveness the lower your health is.

Could being the key would here. What could happen =/= what will happen. What we should expect is the absolute bare minimum in terms of balance and be happily surprised when they give us more.

Keep them expectations low and you will rarely be disappointed.

AzraelKrieg

There are buffs and changes coming but what they are only ZOS know

Isellskooma

"Make it great again" more like "make it the easy class again"

sneakymitchell

Isellskooma wrote: »

"Make it great again" more like "make it the easy class again"

So u see in PVP not many DKs out there cause of the meta destro ulti and more ganking NBs. And next patch proc sets will be change from what I hear from ZOS about the issue. DKs now need these sets just to be able to burst and just be better. Plus some the skills morphs just suck and ZOS just barely does anything to make it better. Ash cloud isn't that good of aoe unless facing mobs. Stonefist is just a laugh about the damage u do if u spam it and stun the enemy while wasting resources. Dragon blood can't heal well and also a Templar honor the dead vs a single substain heal. The honor the dead is way better cause it can crit and give out resources on low health while dragon blood gives out so much magicka. And spike armor doesn't seem to do much damage at all in PVP unless some moron just flurries u and dies. And remember damage cuts in half so. And dragon leap just bugs out or if someone cc u just waste an ultimate while trying to leap and can't should make it cc immune while using it and give out immoveabilty for 3 secs. And ardent flame just prefect. well for some morphs of it like cauterize should heal two targets instead of one and have a smart heal as well since I heard it doesn't.

sneakymitchell

And reflective plate should be reflect 6 projectiles for 6 secs but players want some silly minor ward that u get from heals time to time. And the spike armor morph that gives u a damage shield should be giving out minor ward and resolve which would be nice while soloing. And the resistance is so same most players can penetrate through all that when they apply fracture and such.

Zyrudin

I honestly think Obsidian Shard (Stone Fist morph) is a very overlooked, undervalued survivability skill, but indeed Stone Giant has little use, because you can get Major instead of Minor physical resistance from so many other better sources, a bit like how Ransack is less useful in comparison to Pierce Armor (in the OH and S line) for the same reason.

Doctordarkspawn

I highly doubt it.

DannyLV702

sneakymitchell wrote: »

And reflective plate should be reflect 6 projectiles for 6 secs but players want some silly minor ward that u get from heals time to time. And the spike armor morph that gives u a damage shield should be giving out minor ward and resolve which would be nice while soloing. And the resistance is so same most players can penetrate through all that when they apply fracture and such.

Lol boy you is on drugz

WillhelmBlack

Wings are broke, Leap and Scales. Needs fixing.

Dragon Blood is outdated from battle levelling. Needs fixing.

Some skills and morphs are just completely useless. Need updating.

I hope they don't get buffed though.

Wifeaggro13

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Ardent flame abilities are fine but what about the other two skill trees? Most the morphs are just weak and some ain't even used at all. (Example ash cloud, stone fist, dragon blood, and most morphs players don't use like other Morph of petrified and shatter shield. Even stone fist they updated it so u can spam it to do more damage to stun enemies really? The skill isn't meant to be spammed twice or do more damage to stun targets.)

They need to buff cc and utility on the whole across the board it's one of the reasons this game is so dps centric. The next step would making mobs have mechanics that actually require using them.

But that's not gonna happen that would require them actually making content

DRXHarbinger

All they need to do is increase a few abilities power by 10% and give them an "execute" but not burst...like each dot applied to a target increases in power by 3% for each dot applied. So the more pressure you put on something the more power will get out of it. Certainly a way of stopping the whip spammers who get nowhere.

MakoFore

they need to make not just dks but all classes have more utility and group utility. its a world of dd's and dps, hardly anybody runs utility or tank in cyro compared to other mmos - because they suck!

MaxwellC

The DK class was suppose to be about holding your ground and resource management, unfortunately we cannot hold our ground due to dynamic ultimate regen being stripped away and we do not have the best resource management since we cannot fire off ultimates like we use to.

Igneous shield is a prime example, although it provides stamina back upon usage because the passive helping hands (which gives you stamina back based on your max stamina when using earthen heart abilities) it still sucks. Helping hands provides you with 5% of your stamina returned upon usage, what in the world can you do with 5% of your max stamina being returned to you on a Stam DK let alone a Mag DK. Helping hands truly benefits players who have like 60k+ stamina because on a non magic form it literally costs over 4k magicka to use.

The class is littered with DoTs which as many of the players know, DoTs in PvP isn't good. A Stam DK can DoT someone up but all it takes is a shield, a heal and a purge to get rid of it. Stam DK has no other class orientated skills that can be used for damage other than the dragconic tree (ultimate sucks since you can dodge it or literally walk to the side of the ultimate and have it miss still lmao). Corrosive armor is the best ultimate we could hope for, it's the only skill worth using in PvP other than igneous shield and fossilize (Stam DK wise).
Mag DK wise you've got access to a lot of skills but almost all are yet again DoTs. When you're a Mag DK you have to consistently CC your enemy burning through Magicka as if you're a car getting 1 mile per 3 gallons, just to proc flame lash in order to kill the enemy. If you rock julianos and spellweave sure you can do a lot of damage but you must get rid of all your regen just to do that kind of damage.

DK class IMO overall needs to have it's magicka abilities reduced by 300 or 400 resources, helping hands needs to be 10% return, mountains blessing needs to be unaffected by battle spirit (quite positive that the health you get back is), Dragon's blood needs a complete overhaul, cauterize needs to be a AoE Heal leech ground placement skill or something that's actually better than the current reskin of mage light, flames of oblivion needs to return as a Flame AoE, and well there is more such as talons doing more damage like they use to but I'd rather not go on and on.

sneakymitchell

DannyLV702 wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

And reflective plate should be reflect 6 projectiles for 6 secs but players want some silly minor ward that u get from heals time to time. And the spike armor morph that gives u a damage shield should be giving out minor ward and resolve which would be nice while soloing. And the resistance is so same most players can penetrate through all that when they apply fracture and such.

Lol boy you is on drugz

Well players sometimes complain about flappers cause if facing multiple players that use all thier range attacks it isn't that useful. And reflective plate just isn't good cause the reflect is going do more damage if u have less restiance on ur character

Malthorne

Make the size of fragmented shield scale off max magicka

Glamdring

Im a rather experienced stam nb and if i dont manage to instagank a mag dk im toast. Whipping and snaring my ass until my resources are empty. They seriously gonna buff it?

sneakymitchell

Glamdring wrote: »

Im a rather experienced stam nb and if i dont manage to instagank a mag dk im toast. Whipping and snaring my ass until my resources are empty. They seriously gonna buff it?

What I heard. And I didn't want more damage. I want abilities to get a fix and a change. Sure only way to do good in PVP as a DK is to spam talons every inch and let ur group DPS them down.

King-Justin-Arisdale

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

Calboy

Fix dragonblood and give mdks better resource control and they are good.

sneakymitchell

King-Justin-Arisdale wrote: »

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

King-Justin-Arisdale wrote: »

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

like say 40 to 50% of the magicka into stam? Might be good.

KramUzibra

King-Justin-Arisdale wrote: »

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

I disagree dks are unique in the sense that they don't need and execute, instead they stack dots. This is very viable unless fighting a templar since Templars can just remove them.

KochDerDamonen

Silver_Strider wrote: »

They could make Cauterize actually useful and have it apply to 2 people every 1.5 seconds for the duration (INCLUDING the caster itself)

Cauterize drives me absolutely nuts
personal crit buff(slotted, only on the bar it's equipped), a small heal on a 5 second cooldown that can only hit one person. You get that heal three times over the 15 second duration, and when I say you I mean spread out over your allies.
wtf?

As a comparison, Templar's Extended Ritual
personal major mending buff(on cast in radius, can bar swap), a quite small heal but every 2 seconds to every person in the radius. so 12 small heals, a HoT, to every person in the quite large radius over 24 seconds. Oh and it purges debuffs on yourself, and has a synergy that does that for allies.

I think these spells are at least mildly comparable. It makes you wonder if the person designing cauterize was locked in a bubble, unaware of the game they were designing things for.

sneakymitchell

KramUzibra wrote: »

King-Justin-Arisdale wrote: »

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

I disagree dks are unique in the sense that they don't need and execute, instead they stack dots. This is very viable unless fighting a templar since Templars can just remove them.

And also DKs don't have channeled abilities like a nb but they got burst, speed, and surviablity with cloak or crit heals than a DK.(but DKs lack surviabilty.)

FloppyTouch

They should make it so when a mdk looks at you ur turned into a flaming pile of ash

Isellskooma

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

"Make it great again" more like "make it the easy class again"

So u see in PVP not many DKs out there cause of the meta destro ulti and more ganking NBs. And next patch proc sets will be change from what I hear from ZOS about the issue. DKs now need these sets just to be able to burst and just be better. Plus some the skills morphs just suck and ZOS just barely does anything to make it better. Ash cloud isn't that good of aoe unless facing mobs. Stonefist is just a laugh about the damage u do if u spam it and stun the enemy while wasting resources. Dragon blood can't heal well and also a Templar honor the dead vs a single substain heal. The honor the dead is way better cause it can crit and give out resources on low health while dragon blood gives out so much magicka. And spike armor doesn't seem to do much damage at all in PVP unless some moron just flurries u and dies. And remember damage cuts in half so. And dragon leap just bugs out or if someone cc u just waste an ultimate while trying to leap and can't should make it cc immune while using it and give out immoveabilty for 3 secs. And ardent flame just prefect. well for some morphs of it like cauterize should heal two targets instead of one and have a smart heal as well since I heard it doesn't.

I'm just saying, knowing Zeni, they're going to overbuff it. Making it like it used to be before. Did you ever experience the magdk era of ESO? *** was broken asf.

Calboy

Isellskooma wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

"Make it great again" more like "make it the easy class again"

So u see in PVP not many DKs out there cause of the meta destro ulti and more ganking NBs. And next patch proc sets will be change from what I hear from ZOS about the issue. DKs now need these sets just to be able to burst and just be better. Plus some the skills morphs just suck and ZOS just barely does anything to make it better. Ash cloud isn't that good of aoe unless facing mobs. Stonefist is just a laugh about the damage u do if u spam it and stun the enemy while wasting resources. Dragon blood can't heal well and also a Templar honor the dead vs a single substain heal. The honor the dead is way better cause it can crit and give out resources on low health while dragon blood gives out so much magicka. And spike armor doesn't seem to do much damage at all in PVP unless some moron just flurries u and dies. And remember damage cuts in half so. And dragon leap just bugs out or if someone cc u just waste an ultimate while trying to leap and can't should make it cc immune while using it and give out immoveabilty for 3 secs. And ardent flame just prefect. well for some morphs of it like cauterize should heal two targets instead of one and have a smart heal as well since I heard it doesn't.

I'm just saying, knowing Zeni, they're going to overbuff it. Making it like it used to be before. Did you ever experience the magdk era of ESO? *** was broken asf.

That's why all they need to do is make dragonblood viable and give them better ways to manage resources. Then people can focus on damage more and not have to build for survivability and sustain.

sneakymitchell

Isellskooma wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

"Make it great again" more like "make it the easy class again"

So u see in PVP not many DKs out there cause of the meta destro ulti and more ganking NBs. And next patch proc sets will be change from what I hear from ZOS about the issue. DKs now need these sets just to be able to burst and just be better. Plus some the skills morphs just suck and ZOS just barely does anything to make it better. Ash cloud isn't that good of aoe unless facing mobs. Stonefist is just a laugh about the damage u do if u spam it and stun the enemy while wasting resources. Dragon blood can't heal well and also a Templar honor the dead vs a single substain heal. The honor the dead is way better cause it can crit and give out resources on low health while dragon blood gives out so much magicka. And spike armor doesn't seem to do much damage at all in PVP unless some moron just flurries u and dies. And remember damage cuts in half so. And dragon leap just bugs out or if someone cc u just waste an ultimate while trying to leap and can't should make it cc immune while using it and give out immoveabilty for 3 secs. And ardent flame just prefect. well for some morphs of it like cauterize should heal two targets instead of one and have a smart heal as well since I heard it doesn't.

I'm just saying, knowing Zeni, they're going to overbuff it. Making it like it used to be before. Did you ever experience the magdk era of ESO? *** was broken asf.

everyone is afraid of that. They always afraid to buff a slight bit on the dk.

Wollust

MagDKs need a working dragon blood and that's about it.
And I guess fixing wings wouldn't hurt either.

sneakymitchell

Wollust wrote: »

MagDKs need a working dragon blood and that's about it.
And I guess fixing wings wouldn't hurt either.

The reflective plate reflects more projectiles by 6 for 6 secs would fit in huh? Huh?!

Sugaroverdose

KramUzibra wrote: »

King-Justin-Arisdale wrote: »

I would like to see stonefist become a channeled execute ability of rock bullets! This as an execute would be amazing both visually and as a missing component DK's ought to have like every other dps class. An effective execute!

There were other suggestions already given about resource management, 'tis horrid. I swear helping hands is not as effective as it used to be since the latest update. I would like to see a better stamina exchange rate for the amount of magic it costs to use an earthen heart ability as a tank to self manage.

I disagree dks are unique in the sense that they don't need and execute, instead they stack dots. This is very viable unless fighting a templar since Templars can just remove them.

It's viable only vs other magdk, stamina easily outheal dots with vigor, nightblade spam invis for whole dots duration, sorc stack shields, templar just cleanse on HoT/BoL once to get critical heal for 14k

Calboy wrote: »

That's why all they need to do is make dragonblood viable and give them better ways to manage resources. Then people can focus on damage more and not have to build for survivability and sustain.

I'd prefer to see nerf of other healing abilities by 40% for stamina and 30% for magicka instead of making infinite fights possible for mDK.