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Warning: New Life Bonus + Exp Scroll Does Not Stack
I did some trials and the New Life Bonus with the purchased Exp Scrolls don't stack. Unless I'm missing something (and please tell me).
I did some trials at a mob that gave 674 exp, I applied the New Life bonus and by a calculator it should give 1348 exp, which it doesnt. I then applied a Crown Experience Scroll which should add on 0.5 x 674 exp and add that onto the calculation and it didn't.
I've sent tickets in for support and yet no reply.
Edit:
Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed.
Edited by CynProject on December 21, 2016 9:38PM I did some trials at a mob that gave 674 exp, I applied the New Life bonus and by a calculator it should give 1348 exp, which it doesnt. I then applied a Crown Experience Scroll which should add on 0.5 x 674 exp and add that onto the calculation and it didn't.
I've sent tickets in for support and yet no reply.
Edit:
Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed.
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Works for me...I know as my new toon has done 7 levels in maelstrom. Never ever did that many with just scrolls. Did you check if the xp boost was active? There is a stupid bug that removes it when you fast travel etc.PC Master Race
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✭✭CynProject wrote: »Did you check with/without bonuses? I'm about to upload pics.
Don't need to. It's always been 5 levels before. There is no more xp to gain in there. It's a fixed amount. So 7 is obviously me gaining more xp.
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Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed. -
DRXHarbinger wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Did you check with/without bonuses? I'm about to upload pics.
Don't need to. It's always been 5 levels before. There is no more xp to gain in there. It's a fixed amount. So 7 is obviously me gaining more xp.
This doesn't make any sense. "There's no more xp to gain in there." In Maelstrom? We're talking about the bonuses applied to using Xp scrolls and the new festival. -
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✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed.
678 exp plus the 414 exp(100% of base) you are given from new life bonus is 1092 or about 1.1k now add another 207 exp(50% of base) and you are at 1299 exp or about 1.3k.
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FoolishHuman wrote: »+100% is not double. You are calculating this wrong.
How so? I haven't seen anywhere where they give you the base exp for the mob. But maybe I'm missing something.
I'm not sure you know how math works. +100%, for example, we take the number 100 (or 1000), times well, 1.00 (which is 100% in fraction), and then add it, well that equals 200 (or 2000).Edited by CynProject on December 21, 2016 9:55PM -
FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »+100% is not double. You are calculating this wrong.
How so? I haven't seen anywhere where they give you the base exp for the mob. But maybe I'm missing something.
It's like this. Imagine you have ESO+ and get +10% XP, so now you get 110% from every kill. Now with the new life bonus it's +100%, that means you now get 210% XP, not 220%. Add a scroll on top and it's 260%. You are multiplying the bonuses for what you are expecting, but that is not how the game works. -
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✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »Edit:
Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed.
This may be a stupid question, but how many pieces of training gear do you have equipped right now?Co-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
FoolishHuman wrote: »CynProject wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »+100% is not double. You are calculating this wrong.
How so? I haven't seen anywhere where they give you the base exp for the mob. But maybe I'm missing something.
It's like this. Imagine you have ESO+ and get +10% XP, so now you get 110% from every kill. Now with the new life bonus it's +100%, that means you now get 210% XP, not 220%. Add a scroll on top and it's 260%. You are multiplying the bonuses for what you are expecting, but that is not how the game works.
It wouldn't matter if you have ESO plus or not. Both samples were took with ESO plus applied.
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FoolishHuman✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »CynProject wrote: »FoolishHuman wrote: »+100% is not double. You are calculating this wrong.
How so? I haven't seen anywhere where they give you the base exp for the mob. But maybe I'm missing something.
It's like this. Imagine you have ESO+ and get +10% XP, so now you get 110% from every kill. Now with the new life bonus it's +100%, that means you now get 210% XP, not 220%. Add a scroll on top and it's 260%. You are multiplying the bonuses for what you are expecting, but that is not how the game works.
It wouldn't matter if you have ESO plus or not. Both samples were took with ESO plus applied.
You are still trying to multiply the xp shown on the screen, even though that is already modified by ESO+ and training gear. If the XP shown is already 110% or more, then adding 100% won't double it. Sorry, I can't explain it any better.Edited by ZOS_AntonioP on December 22, 2016 12:07AM -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Okay, you're a character. You gain 100xp. You do not have ESO+. You have Breda's Mead. Instead you earn 200xp.
Still with us?
You're a character. You have ESO+. You earn 100xp, but what you see is 110xp. You have Breda's Mead, you earn 210xp, which is less than double your 110, because your XP is multiplied by 2.1, not 110x2.
You're a character. You have ESO+ and nine pieces of purple Training gear equipped. You earn 100xp. You see a gain of 200xp. You drink Breda's Mead, your XP gain goes to 300xp (not 400xp) as you were expecting. Confused and dismayed, you consume a crown scroll, your XP goes to 350xp (not 600xp) as you were expecting. Even more confused and dismayed you charge onto the forums and inform us that something has gone horribly wrong.Co-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
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You are still trying to multiply the xp shown on the screen, even though that is already modified by ESO+ and training gear. If the XP shown is already 110% or more, then adding 100% won't double it. Sorry, I can't explain it any better.[/quote]
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✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »You don't understand how percentages work or how testing at a base level works.
ESO parses all percentage modifiers together at once before multiplying.Co-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »You don't understand how percentages work or how testing at a base level works.
ESO parses all percentage modifiers together at once before multiplying.
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭It's the difference between these two, where "A" is the base exp, and there are +10%, +100%, and +50% modifiers applied:
A + .1A + A + .5A = 2.6 * A
And this:
A * 1.1 * 2 * 1.5 = 3.3 * A
For XP, ESO does the first (modifiers applied additively to the base value), where you seem to expect it do to the second (modifiers applied multiplicatively to the base value).
If you'd like to get some insight into some more complex ways that ESO applies modifiers, check out this build editor, as it can show all the equations for each stat - pretty interesting!
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
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✭✭CynProject wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Did you check with/without bonuses? I'm about to upload pics.
Don't need to. It's always been 5 levels before. There is no more xp to gain in there. It's a fixed amount. So 7 is obviously me gaining more xp.
This doesn't make any sense. "There's no more xp to gain in there." In Maelstrom? We're talking about the bonuses applied to using Xp scrolls and the new festival.
What I mean is. There are only a fixed amount of adds and bosses to kill in there. Usually I've only done 5 levels per run, I have never ever done anymore it's impossible as there is nothing else to kill. With this event I am doing 7 levels. Nothing has changed bar drinking from the keg. Always using the same gear, 9 purple training items.
So it's working. Did you rule out it could just be a UI error and not showing but still actually giving you the xp anyway? Wouldn't be the first time something stupid like that has happened..it's eso after all. No need to get so mad. Damn everyone is so frikin angry on here lately.PC Master Race
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭For fun, let's write the equations out for your three cases ("A" is the base XP, and "x" is any unknown XP boost there might be):
1: A + xA + .1A = 678
2: A + xA + .1A + A = 1100 (display rounded to 1.1K)
3: A + xA + .1A + A + .5A = 1300 (display rounded to 1.3K)
If you solve for A, you get ~422, and if you solve for x, you get ~.5 - and all the equations are correct within the display tolerances. We also found out that you have another 50% XP buff somewhere!
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For fun, let's write the equations out for your three cases ("A" is the base XP, and "x" is any unknown XP boost there might be):
1: A + xA + .1A = 678
2: A + xA + .1A + A = 1100 (display rounded to 1.1K)
3: A + xA + .1A + A + .5A = 1300 (display rounded to 1.3K)
If you solve for A, you get ~422, and if you solve for x, you get ~.5 - and all the equations are correct within the display tolerances. We also found out that you have another 50% XP buff somewhere!
Five pieces of purple training gear (probably) for 50%.Co-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Well I would insult your intelligence but you did it for me.
Really?
._.
Okay, then let me phrase it this way. "Maffs."
ESO only applies percentage modifiers to the base value, not to the final value. This is to prevent hilarious things like stacking up a 1200% XP modifier.
Do you know what the base value is?It's the difference between these two, where "A" is the base exp, and there are +10%, +100%, and +50% modifiers applied:
A + .1A + A + .5A = 2.6 * A
And this:
A * 1.1 * 2 * 1.5 = 3.3 * A
For XP, ESO does the first (modifiers applied additively to the base value), where you seem to expect it do to the second (modifiers applied multiplicatively to the base value).
If you'd like to get some insight into some more complex ways that ESO applies modifiers, check out this build editor, as it can show all the equations for each stat - pretty interesting!
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
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✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Well I would insult your intelligence but you did it for me.
Really?
._.
Okay, then let me phrase it this way. "Maffs."
ESO only applies percentage modifiers to the base value, not to the final value. This is to prevent hilarious things like stacking up a 1200% XP modifier.
Do you know what the base value is?
Around 422.Edited by starkerealm on December 21, 2016 11:08PMCo-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Well I would insult your intelligence but you did it for me.
Really?
._.
Okay, then let me phrase it this way. "Maffs."
ESO only applies percentage modifiers to the base value, not to the final value. This is to prevent hilarious things like stacking up a 1200% XP modifier.
Do you know what the base value is?
Around 422.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »Well I would insult your intelligence but you did it for me.
Really?
._.
Okay, then let me phrase it this way. "Maffs."
ESO only applies percentage modifiers to the base value, not to the final value. This is to prevent hilarious things like stacking up a 1200% XP modifier.
Do you know what the base value is?
Around 422.
How do you know this?
Also, @smacx250's calculations. But those sound accurate to what I've seen without XP modifiers (aside from ESO+).
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by ZOS_AntonioP on December 21, 2016 11:58PMCo-Host of The Tenets: a podcast focused on bringing new players up to speed in ESO. -
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✭✭✭✭✭CynProject wrote: »Proof:
Picture 1: These mobs are near the New Life quest giver. It gave 678 exp. imgur.com/a/hAWbS
Picture 2: This is after I applied the New Life bonus. It should give 1,356 exp but only gave 1.1K. imgur.com/a/Tq7as
Picture 3: This is after applying the Exp scroll. You can see all of these on the bottom right. It should give 1,356 + (0.5 * 678) = 1,695 Exp. but it doesn't. imgur.com/a/LEYi4
This is wrong and needs to be addressed.
Well, for starters, I will guess that you have forgotten to adjust for the 10% XP boost you get from from ESO Plus. -
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✭✭✭✭✭Man i love these forums.
People post about non existent bugs.
Get told whats actually happening by more knowledgeable and experienced players and then start defending their 'bug' because the 5x players who all said the same thing who all have more knowledge about the game can't possible be right...
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »CynProject wrote: »For fun, let's write the equations out for your three cases ("A" is the base XP, and "x" is any unknown XP boost there might be):
1: A + xA + .1A = 678
2: A + xA + .1A + A = 1100 (display rounded to 1.1K)
3: A + xA + .1A + A + .5A = 1300 (display rounded to 1.3K)
If you solve for A, you get ~422, and if you solve for x, you get ~.5 - and all the equations are correct within the display tolerances. We also found out that you have another 50% XP buff somewhere!
Nice try at trying to sound smart.
No, that is how math works, Cyn. I realize it's not what you wanted to hear, but @smacx250 is right.
Yup. That is how you account for additional XP boosts. @smacx250 is correct.
Breda's Mead is exactly 100% boost, so the first red flag is that the second case is not exactly double the first. That, right there, says that there are other XP boosts involved.
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Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Base value for most mobs is 414 for non subs... -edited to add- This is for solo hit overworld mobs, not delve/dungeon/publics or groups or multiple non grouped people hitting.
And I believe base value is 455 for subs... For some reason I think their 10% is wrongly added to base and stays part of the base, instead of working like every other exp modifier in the game.
Base can always be tested by removing all training armor and weapons and not having any other exp buffs going.
If someone who is still a sub can test for me, please use only the 100% event bonus and tell me what your hitting... if 910, then 455 is the base for subs. If 869, then 414 is still the base as it should be. No addons required to test, the exp gain can be seen if Loot History is turned on in settings.
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