Doesmagelight need to be tripple slotted for sorces?

DragonBound

For both weapon buffs and overload? This seems pointless I think surge is looking allot more appealing as it last long enough for rotations on all bars. Any confirmation would greatly be appreciated thanks all.

Minalan

What are you talking about?

1. Mage light is no longer a toggle, it works on whatever bar you slot it on and doesn't where you don't need it. It's not part of any rotation unless you're trying to empower an attack or find a nightblade.

2. Mage light gives major prophesy, which is 10% crit, and it also gives you 5% max magica, and 2% max magicka and regen from the mage guild passive.

Surge is a buff that gives major sorcery, which is 20% spell power. Completely different.

Does that help?

DragonBound

Surge and magelight essentially increase spell dps, yes in different ways but in the end its similar, and I am talking about sacrificing a slot for each bar to keep the buff up I did not say anything about toggling it lol, but with surge I only need to slot 1 bar and cast and forget.

kadar

I wouldn't slot it on multiple bars, no. On my Sorc Inner Light is slotted on my main (front) DPS bar. I spend most of my time on this bar, only swapping to the second to apply DoTs and Buffs.

Waffennacht

In order to maintain the max magicka etc from innerlight when you switch bars, yes you must slot it on each bar.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

On a Sorc, mage light does not technically need to be on all your bars, but bound aegis does as its a toggle. If you are going to only go with one, you should run Bound Aegis and run Pots. Its more max magic and you can get the crit buff from Pots.

You absolutely want both Aegis and Inner Light on an overload bar if you want it to hit hard. Other than VMA, maybe some easy 4-man stuff, and some PVP builds, Overload is pretty dated. In trials you absolutely should not be running it. You will pull more DPS on long fights without it.

In VMA for example, I dont slot Inner Light on my back bar because I just use it for buffs, dots, and to slot overload. This gives a nice flex spot. I do run it on my front bar and on my overload bar, because those are the bars I actually DPS from.

On Rakkhat HM, I drop it all together so I have room for a shield and boundless storm and just run potions.

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Joy_Division

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Why is stuff like this not made clear?

So you are basically telling me I wasted thousands of spellpower pots on my DSA runs because I used Flames of Oblivion on my back-bar just for the skills damage.

[lots of swearing that would get me banned]. ZOS: FIX YOUR ******** GAME OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATE THESE BUGS. THEY ARE NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

kadar

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Do you mean if the potions also grant Maj. Prophecy? Because if it's only on your back bar and you switch to the front, you should be losing the buff right?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Joy_Division wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Why is stuff like this not made clear?

So you are basically telling me I wasted thousands of spellpower pots on my DSA runs because I used Flames of Oblivion on my back-bar just for the skills damage.

[lots of swearing that would get me banned]. ZOS: FIX YOUR ******** GAME OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATE THESE BUGS. THEY ARE NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

@Joy_Division I am so sorry. Yeah, that has been bugged since launch I believe. I have submitted bug reports and even made a post about it a while back I believe. It's beyond frustrating.

But yes. If you are running crit pots and have FOO on your back bar and nothing on your front bar (FOO or Evil Hunter), you are going to lose the crit buff on your front bar. It is so broken its ridiculous. Very possible its been fixed in a recent patch, but last time I checked, it hadn't.

It's super easy to check. Pop a pot on your front bar with FOO on your back bar and swap a few times and see what happens to your tool tip crit. I havent actually tested with FOO and a magic based toon, but inner light has the bug for magic and FOO and evil hunter have the bug for stam, or at least they still did a month or so ago.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The_Outsider wrote: »

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Do you mean if the potions also grant Maj. Prophecy? Because if it's only on your back bar and you switch to the front, you should be losing the buff right?

Yes. So lets say you dont have inner light on your front bar, but you have it on your back (not sure why you would do this, but its a good example).

You then drink a spell pot on your front bar, which gives you major prophecy (increasing crit). You then swap to your back bar and now you actually have two things giving major prophecy, your Pot and Innerlight being slotted. For whatever reason, the Innerlight buff seems to overide the potion buff. You will still have the crit buff on your back bar. Now, you swap back to your front bar, and poof, its gone.

I think this is most detrimental to a Stam DK, because many people slot FOO on their back bar (its a nice long DOT), and just run pots for the crit on their front bar. If you are doing that, you are losing crit on your front bar, because the buff disappears. The solution is to either drop FOO, double bar it, or run evil hunter (same buff) on your front bar.

Like I said, test for yourself, but last a checked it was still broken.

danno8

The_Outsider wrote: »

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Do you mean if the potions also grant Maj. Prophecy? Because if it's only on your back bar and you switch to the front, you should be losing the buff right?

Essentially the buff from the potion you chug (~45 second buff) will be overwritten by the skill buff (perma buff) if you switch to the back bar. Then when you switch back to the front bar the buff is gone, since the perma buff is only active on the back bar.

Pretty lame eh?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

danno8 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

Do you mean if the potions also grant Maj. Prophecy? Because if it's only on your back bar and you switch to the front, you should be losing the buff right?

Essentially the buff from the potion you chug (~45 second buff) will be overwritten by the skill buff (perma buff) if you switch to the back bar. Then when you switch back to the front bar the buff is gone, since the perma buff is only active on the back bar.

Pretty lame eh?

Exactly!

DragonBound

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

On a Sorc, mage light does not technically need to be on all your bars, but bound aegis does as its a toggle. If you are going to only go with one, you should run Bound Aegis and run Pots. Its more max magic and you can get the crit buff from Pots.

You absolutely want both Aegis and Inner Light on an overload bar if you want it to hit hard. Other than VMA, maybe some easy 4-man stuff, and some PVP builds, Overload is pretty dated. In trials you absolutely should not be running it. You will pull more DPS on long fights without it.

In VMA for example, I dont slot Inner Light on my back bar because I just use it for buffs, dots, and to slot overload. This gives a nice flex spot. I do run it on my front bar and on my overload bar, because those are the bars I actually DPS from.

On Rakkhat HM, I drop it all together so I have room for a shield and boundless storm and just run potions.

Last thing to note that it is bugged (as is any skill giving spell or weapon crit: inner light, evil Hunter, Flames of Oblivion). Basically if you only have these skills on one bar and you try to run potions, you will lose the buff when you swap to a bar without it. Not a huge deal if its a buff bar, but something to think about. For example, if you are a stam DK, you would not want to back bar Flames of Oblivion without an equivalent buff on your front bar, or you will lose the buff on your front bar even if you are chugging potions.

I cannot stand relying on pots, food is annoying as it is.