So I can't help but notice High Kinlady Estre...

WhiteCoatSyndrome

...has an expensive new dress on (it used to be Altmer light armor) and I can't throw mudballs at her. OR Naemon while we're at it. Really, ZOS?

Metal10957

Did you try turning off "attacking innocents" in options?

Recremen

The worst crime to be perpetrated this season.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@Metal10957 It is off yes.

Metal10957

I like the idea, I was thinking of something along the same lines, but throwing at a guard even said I had Innocents Off. Just a thought, be nice if it worked, but prob make the quest too easy. I spam people running in and out.. fun to hit people on mounts, wish it knocked them off

raidentenshu_ESO

Leave her alone.

Abeille

Recremen wrote: »

The worst crime to be perpetrated this season.

Right? The color really doesn't flatter her golden skin and hair. A darker, colder color would probably be a better fit because of the contrast. My Altmer is partial to purple tones, herself.

Tryxus

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Leave her alone.

Prepares the Mud Ball Cannon 9000. Fully Automatic...

Metal10957

I probably deserve it, but I had to ask since no one had replied and I found it funny. I never turned mine off, so I was kind of wanting to know if it worked.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@Metal10957 No worries, I think the same is true for all quest NPCs and anyone else who would need to be invulnerable for any other reasons (vendors).

But I was really looking forward to giving Estre a big glob of mud right in her racial-supremacist face, drat it.

DPShiro

Of course you can't. Lesser races can't touch superior royalty such as Lady Estre.

Back to your mud hut lowly filth.

Aliyavana

pictures of new dress?

XDragonDoomX

DPShiro wrote: »

Of course you can't. Lesser races can't touch superior royalty such as Lady Estre.

Back to your mud hut lowly filth.

but Queen Ayrenn, Jorunn Skald-King & King Emeric can be ?
At least returning to the mud hut has a purpose now... more mud balls anyone ?

DPShiro

XDragonDoomX wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Of course you can't. Lesser races can't touch superior royalty such as Lady Estre.

Back to your mud hut lowly filth.

but Queen Ayrenn, Jorunn Skald-King & King Emeric can be ?
At least returning to the mud hut has a purpose now... more mud balls anyone ?

A drunken Nord with extreme hallucinations, an emo selfproclaimed victim with nightmares who needs his blankie to sleep and a rebelling teenager who needs to toughen up and realize there is not going to be world peace just because you want it, the whole world isn't your safe place - all of them deserves mud balls to the face multiple times.

But pure royalty like Lady Estre does not, and if any lower races try it she will send the Thalmor and hunt them down.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@arcadiadark I believe it's the Cyrod Patrician Formal Gown, dyed yellow (which, as @Abeille noted, is not a good color on Estre).

DPShiro wrote: »

But pure royalty like Lady Estre does not, and if any lower races try it she will send the Thalmor and hunt them down.

I remind that Estre married into her current position; Naemon is the one born with royal blood in his veins. Presumably her bloodline isn't terrible or no one would have let her within bowshot of the second in line to the throne, but between her and the blood of the royal family there can be no comparison; witness the willingness with which she consorts with the mongrel Maormer, the longstanding enemies of all who live in Summerset.

Meanwhile Queen Ayrenn is also of the blood royal through direct descent--and is therefore the pinnacle of Aldmeri breeding and the example we should all aspire to. To say otherwise is contrary to the Praxis. She allows us to throw mud at her because she is wise and forward-thinking--clearly she acknowledges that there will be many hardships and indignities to be borne by the Dominion and its allies before we are unquestioned masters of the continent, and as its future steward she wishes to provide us all with an example to follow. The mud-flinging is just an easy-to-see metaphor those of less exalted breeding can see and understand.

Also, she dressed for the occasion; witness how her armor remains clean and un-blood-splattered, no matter what ill-bred scoundrel tries to spill her esteemed blood. Wise and practical.

Abeille

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@arcadiadark I believe it's the Cyrod Patrician Formal Gown, dyed yellow (which, as @Abeille noted, is not a good color on Estre).

DPShiro wrote: »

But pure royalty like Lady Estre does not, and if any lower races try it she will send the Thalmor and hunt them down.

I remind that Estre married into her current position; Naemon is the one born with royal blood in his veins. Presumably her bloodline isn't terrible or no one would have let her within bowshot of the second in line to the throne, but between her and the blood of the royal family there can be no comparison; witness the willingness with which she consorts with the mongrel Maormer, the longstanding enemies of all who live in Summerset.

I think she was Kinlady of Skywatch already when she married Naemon. She does present herself as the ruler of Skywatch when you first talk to her. It would stand to reason that the royal family would only marry the other nobles of high birth of the Summerset Isles. But yes, of course, she was no princess. Not like our gracious, glorious Queen Ayrenn.

Although I have to admit that I ended up forgiving Estre. When my main character, an Altmer, spoke to her in Coldharbour I actually could understand why she did what she did. In the end, she was right in one thing: Both of us wanted the same thing, which was to protect our people, but we had very different ideas of what "protecting our people" meant. I saved her. Not like she had any claim anymore, with Naemon dead, anyway.

starkerealm

Abeille wrote: »

Although I have to admit that I ended up forgiving Estre. When my main character, an Altmer, spoke to her in Coldharbour I actually could understand why she did what she did. In the end, she was right in one thing: Both of us wanted the same thing, which was to protect our people, but we had very different ideas of what "protecting our people" meant. I saved her. Not like she had any claim anymore, with Naemon dead, anyway.

Weird, I've always found her behavior in Coldharbour suggested she really hadn't changed at all. If you're on a character who hasn't killed her, she'll try to con you into thinking she was actually the rightfully elected leader of the Dominion and Ayrenn is a pretender. It's only if you killed her, that she'll suggest she made a mistake.

Ironically, I actually prefer Angof, because regardless if you've killed him or not, he'll respond with regret in Coldharbour.

Abeille

starkerealm wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Although I have to admit that I ended up forgiving Estre. When my main character, an Altmer, spoke to her in Coldharbour I actually could understand why she did what she did. In the end, she was right in one thing: Both of us wanted the same thing, which was to protect our people, but we had very different ideas of what "protecting our people" meant. I saved her. Not like she had any claim anymore, with Naemon dead, anyway.

Weird, I've always found her behavior in Coldharbour suggested she really hadn't changed at all. If you're on a character who hasn't killed her, she'll try to con you into thinking she was actually the rightfully elected leader of the Dominion and Ayrenn is a pretender. It's only if you killed her, that she'll suggest she made a mistake.

Ironically, I actually prefer Angof, because regardless if you've killed him or not, he'll respond with regret in Coldharbour.

Oh I never did the quest with someone who didn't kill her, so I didn't know. She does act completely different when your character isn't Altmer, though, saying that you know nothing of the Altmer and their culture so you couldn't understand. But since my first character is an Altmer and did kill her, the first impression I had of her was of a woman stuck in her old ways and who was dead scared of what could happen to her culture if it opened up to foreigners. It isn't a position I support, but it is a position I can understand and it made me feel sorry for her.

In the end, I understood her motives. I don't agree with what she did, of course, but I could understand and forgive her. I actually could also understand Naemon. I pity Naemon a lot, to be honest. The mer was half-way through his duties to become King, when our gracious Queen came back out of nowhere and took his place. It was her birthright, of course, but it is understandable that he would find it unfair. I don't think he deserved what he got in the end of the main story.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Abeille wrote: »

I pity Naemon a lot, to be honest. The mer was half-way through his duties to become King, when our gracious Queen came back out of nowhere and took his place. It was her birthright, of course, but it is understandable that he would find it unfair. I don't think he deserved what he got in the end of the main story.

Concur with this. The poor boy had his wife murdered--she deserved it, but assuming she kept the whole 'Daedric cultist' thing from him like she did from everyone else it still had to be an unpleasant shock. And then he has to go right on pretending nothing was wrong. I can't help but believe if he'd gotten a decent therapist that mess in the Orrey wouldn't have happened.

Abeille

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I pity Naemon a lot, to be honest. The mer was half-way through his duties to become King, when our gracious Queen came back out of nowhere and took his place. It was her birthright, of course, but it is understandable that he would find it unfair. I don't think he deserved what he got in the end of the main story.

Concur with this. The poor boy had his wife murdered--she deserved it, but assuming she kept the whole 'Daedric cultist' thing from him like she did from everyone else it still had to be an unpleasant shock. And then he has to go right on pretending nothing was wrong. I can't help but believe if he'd gotten a decent therapist that mess in the Orrey wouldn't have happened.

I don't know why ZOS thought that Estre deserved the opportunity to be saved by the player while Naemon deserved to be frozen forever.