[For ZoS] Will ZoS actually listen & make changes to the Storage concerns on Housing?

P3ZZL3

There's lot's of threads and disquiet about the lack of Storage in the game in general, and now, with the release of Housing and @ZOS_RichLambert clearly stating "It didn't make the cut" it raises one obviously vital, important element of all these complaints and concerns raised by the community.

Do ZoS genuinely listen? Do they actually read these threads and consider the comments?

I think this is important simply to show them that people are beyond believing anything is taken on board. Sure, they are not going to succumb to every little request - why would they. But for certain things there should be far more interaction with the community. Discussions held, considerations made.

So simple line of thought, was to have a poll where we can actually show them how little or how much we trust them in terms of them listening to the community and some of the exceptionally well put and detailed justifications as to why it should be increased or included in to housing.

No need to post in the thread - it's a simple YES/NO option as to whether you think they will listen and change anything based on the community feedback.

Vaoh

No

No. Not a chance.

ZOS will prioritize Storage in the future with the intention of making as much money off of Crown Store monetization as possible. They can feel free to prove me wrong, but I don't think they will.

Apparently it's okay for them to spend tons of time+resources on a system like Player Housing only to not include the most crucial feature. Definitely a great way to have something incredible go uncared for by most players though. A real hype-killer. Now we have to wait 3+ months with a cold-as-stone No ETA

strikeback1247

No

They do listen. They have most certainly heard you. But if they don't want to do it/can't do it, they just won't do it. Now stop these [snip]ing threads.

Pandorii

No

Nope. I think it's an organizational problem. I feel like some of the public figures, especially the ones who play ESO and frequently check in with us, really do care, but most are just employees looking at data, figures and numbers.

Nerouyn

No

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Do ZoS genuinely listen? Do they actually read these threads and consider the comments?

They read. They might consider.

Occasionally they'll oblige (eg. first person view) but frequently they completely ignore what people want.

In this case, storage is complicated because it bumps up against the only serious benefit to subscribing. With everything in the crown over-priced on the assumption that people buy crowns when they're heavily discounted, you're otherwise much better off ditching the sub and buying crowns when they're on sale.

That's what they fear. And they either have a solution in mind which they know will be unpopular so want to keep it under wraps for as long as possible or they haven't decided yet. Given past behaviour I'd bet on the former.

Bam_Bam

No

They look at the bigger picture, not at whining threads.

I'd like to see housing storage as another subscription perk.

Dubhliam

I think @ZOS_DaryaK will have a wonderful evening closing and merging all the threads on this topic.

Junipus

How can they not have listened when it wasn't an issue until they announced housing?

They decided against it before announcing its release so it's impossible for them to listen retroactively.

As Vaoh said, they'll be looking to monetise storage since they'll know people will buy it and it's not an essential, core, component of a housing system when storage solutions already exist.

Skinzz

No

Lol at all the players freaking out about storage.

Bam_Bam

No

xskinzcity wrote: »

Lol at all the players freaking out about storage.

Salty tears! Salty tears everywhere!

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Well they point blank have said a few times that this would be something they want to add even outside of housing.

There's a situation going on with resources and we can't act like crafting bags don't exist. Even though I passionately disagree with the real money requirement of it all, they do listen and sadly will not let go of finding ways to force people to subscribe.

Storage in my opinion isn't a housing thing. Storage is a game wide problem for many.
Storage shouldn't only happen with housing.

It should happen broadly so all while I like the idea of getting more space, I don't want something to come with any odd requirements other than in game gold bank space upgrades.

Sharee

No

Not enough time.

xX_NachtJager_xx

No

I have 6 toons I play just about everyday. So that is about 12 dungeons per day. I don't run dailies on my dps, just healers and tanks. And I end up keeping about 30% of the gear I find. All of my characters inventory is maxed, and my bank is maxed. But I am forced to decon anything that isn't divines, infused, or sturdy. And weapons I only keep sharpened or precise. Even then I have to make sacrifices on certain gear pieces. I can't even imagine what the folks who don't have eso plus are going through since they don't have the craft bag. I'm probably going to have to make another toon, max his inventory out, and use him as a mule.

kevlarto_ESO

No

I think it might just be more of a technical nightmare than we think and could impact the already poor performance this game has.

I just wish maybe we could get some crafted chests with slots, that are not linked to the bank just a place to store a few items in your house, I wonder if they would ever consider this or would also put to much strain on the megaserver.

Would have been nice it is not a make or break deal for me, I am still on the fence until I get to play around with housing sounds good so far, but I am optimistically cautious.

Nerouyn

No

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Storage in my opinion isn't a housing thing. Storage is a game wide problem for many.
Storage shouldn't only happen with housing.

IMO housing is the perfect place for it.

I subbed for a month mainly to try the crafting bag. Because like for many players, ESO's horrifying inventory management experience is one of the main reasons I didn't subscribe for very long back when that wasn't optional. So I was curious. Crafting bags do make the game much less painful.

Though personally I think it's one step too far in convenience. Everything we pick up automagically being sucked into a bottomless bag we can access anywhere. That's extremely unrealistic and not what we have in the single player games. I'd prefer to have to pop home occasionally to dump stuff in appropriate storage containers.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Nerouyn wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Storage in my opinion isn't a housing thing. Storage is a game wide problem for many.
Storage shouldn't only happen with housing.

IMO housing is the perfect place for it.

I subbed for a month mainly to try the crafting bag. Because like for many players, ESO's horrifying inventory management experience is one of the main reasons I didn't subscribe for very long back when that wasn't optional. So I was curious. Crafting bags do make the game much less painful.

Though personally I think it's one step too far in convenience. Everything we pick up automagically being sucked into a bottomless bag we can access anywhere. That's extremely unrealistic and not what we have in the single player games. I'd prefer to have to pop home occasionally to dump stuff in appropriate storage containers.

@Nerouyn
I can promise you housing isn't the perfect way or place because a lot of people are thinking that a cosmetic chest or what not should have storage which means constant memory saves or what not.

The company has done something crazy with banks and hasn't been able to resolve it since release so whatever they do to extend space will problably not be as simple as is using a chest in a home but let's be honest......

No one desires to play another mini game or do a bunch of side quests to extend storage when today it's as simple as using gold.

Ppl just want more bank space.

If the house has access points to the bank that's fine via a chest or what not but I honestly want my bank extended regardless of whether I'm in a certain house or if I've used certain furniture options.

That's not a quality of life update.
And how about the bank menu as a whole is pretty lack luster

Mady

Nevermind

Darkstorne

Yes

• New art direction
• First person mode
• Skippable starter islands
• Play-at-any-level DLC
• One Tamriel

Yes, they listen. Only FFXIV has done more to change its game to meet player requests, and that's mainly because the game would have sunk hard if it didn't, and the brand name was already in damage control mode.

At some point you'll get the storage. I don't know in what form, but I think ZOS have shown beyond doubt that they read these forums and make note of the biggest concerns and requests. There are some obvious anomalies (Crown Crates... ahem) but in that example at least we can all safely assume the reasoning - SWTOR had an awful launch, but the introduction of Cartel Packs has turned it into the second most profitable western MMO in the world. With any luck the funds raised from whales will support big new DLC locations for the rest of us.

Lord_Eomer

Who needs housing if you can live on tale of adventures :-)

AlienSlof

No

Pandorii wrote: »

Nope. I think it's an organizational problem. I feel like some of the public figures, especially the ones who play ESO and frequently check in with us, really do care, but most are just employees looking at data, figures and numbers.

^ This. ^

Gina is the public face of Zeni. She may not agree with some of what the company is doing, but she will be expected not to voice it publicly.
The devs make what they are told to make. They might not agree either, but their jobs require it.
The suits are the ones pulling the strings. They decide what is good for their profit margins. They, including 'she who must not be named' are the ones making the decisions. They are NOT gamers. They are pen-pushers and bean-counters. They don't care about the game itself as long as it continues to pull money in.

The best way to rain on the parade of these people is to vote with our wallets. It is up to us as players to make them change their ideas.

Malmai

No

Its really sad that people think like this about Zenimax but its true...

Nerouyn

No

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I can promise you housing isn't the perfect way or place because a lot of people are thinking that a cosmetic chest or what not should have storage which means constant memory saves or what not.

A lot of people think a lot of strange *** about technical things because they're completely ignorant of how it works.

Items in our inventory, bank or housing storage would all be entries in a database. No difference at all between them at all unless you're talking about being able to eg. see clothing items hung in a wardrobe or displayed on a mannequin.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The company has done something crazy with banks and hasn't been able to resolve it since release so whatever they do to extend space will problably not be as simple as is using a chest in a home but let's be honest......

Don't you know?

It wasn't just random stupidity. This was by design to essentially force players into joining guilds. This is why there's a 10 member limit to gain access to the guild bank which is a great place to dump materials.

Though escaping irritation is a very poor reason to join a guild. And an extremely irritating inventory experience (the worst I've ever had) speaks to stupid / crazy developers. Many probably tried ESO, cancelled their sub, and went back to playing Skyrim.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And how about the bank menu as a whole is pretty lack luster

Again I think this is by design. Though again backfiring.

Mods were pretty popular with the single-player games and I think they deliberately have some average to crappy interfaces (like banks and guild stores) so modders have something to do. But I think many MMO players would just see the crappy interfaces, groan and move on. And I can understand that. We pay for a complete game, not to have to assemble the game ourselves.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ppl just want more bank space.

No I'm ppl and I want housing storage.

There's also an awful lot of other ppl asking for the same here.

Elsonso

Poorly worded poll cannot be answered.

No, they will not add storage containers to the Homestead update. They know players want them. It is clear that they understand how much players want them. They already made the decision to not do them in the first pass. It is too late to change that, at this point. They have to finish up development and testing on what they did decide to do, and with a major holiday between now and PTS, there isn't much time.

Yes, they do listen to the players. They said they would address storage. They will address storage. However, Lambert worded this in such a manner that people do need to realize that they may not add container storage. I would envision that they would simply have a "house bank" that can only be accessed while in the house. No matter what they do with house storage, it will cost gold or Crowns. Hopefully, either.

(Edit: If they have a "house bank", I will further suggest that it will be account-wide so that all characters can access it, and there will be one "house bank", no matter how many houses are owned. All the houses would use the same "house bank")

vyndral13preub18_ESO

No

Not going to happen. They know this is sometging that people wanted with housing. Not like this is a surprise. So there is a reason they didnt do it. Whatever it is.

idk

@P3ZZL3

Your poll is obviously designed with heavy bias so not answering.

Zos does actually listen which is evident by some changes they make. Most recently their post on personalities demonstrates this.

However, that does not mean they do everything some people mention. Just because they do not do everything or a specific change has no bearing on whether they listen or not.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes

Nerouyn wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I can promise you housing isn't the perfect way or place because a lot of people are thinking that a cosmetic chest or what not should have storage which means constant memory saves or what not.

A lot of people think a lot of strange *** about technical things because they're completely ignorant of how it works.

Items in our inventory, bank or housing storage would all be entries in a database. No difference at all between them at all unless you're talking about being able to eg. see clothing items hung in a wardrobe or displayed on a mannequin.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The company has done something crazy with banks and hasn't been able to resolve it since release so whatever they do to extend space will problably not be as simple as is using a chest in a home but let's be honest......

Don't you know?

It wasn't just random stupidity. This was by design to essentially force players into joining guilds. This is why there's a 10 member limit to gain access to the guild bank which is a great place to dump materials.

Though escaping irritation is a very poor reason to join a guild. And an extremely irritating inventory experience (the worst I've ever had) speaks to stupid / crazy developers. Many probably tried ESO, cancelled their sub, and went back to playing Skyrim.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And how about the bank menu as a whole is pretty lack luster

Again I think this is by design. Though again backfiring.

Mods were pretty popular with the single-player games and I think they deliberately have some average to crappy interfaces (like banks and guild stores) so modders have something to do. But I think many MMO players would just see the crappy interfaces, groan and move on. And I can understand that. We pay for a complete game, not to have to assemble the game ourselves.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ppl just want more bank space.

No I'm ppl and I want housing storage.

There's also an awful lot of other ppl asking for the same here.

I've been around a looooong time.
This games only problem from a player perspective around storage is that people are playing this game trying to make it flow like X or Y game instead of first seeking to fully understand what the devs originally intended and how some has changed while the rest hasn't.

In doing so people will see the storage issues that came about. It's definately not some database as you suggest because unlike many games in this genre, everything is account focused even saves rather than character based.

Storage in terms of this game vs some others was designed with a good concept that has limits.
The bigger issue is that VR was added and that went waaay out of control and is something they can't remove.

See if you understand that originally we would only quest in one faction and play to level 50 then the additional tiers of items wouldn't exist. For example there was going to be many lesser VR levels and a lot less tiers on top of level 50 if not any at all, it clears out inventory issues.

People wanted this and that so the game went from an idea based upon 200+ friends playing TES online together to this mega server of millions of possible players but even today...the infrastructure is that if 200-300 ppl playing.

The saves that I mention are a reality as conversations around the bank and inventory exploiting show this. Also conversations around PC to console transfers showed more when we learned what was in a save and what couldn't carry over due to other circumstances that differ from PC to console.

The storage or ideas that chests would be the best is also off. Go back and read about the removal of the dungeon chests right after PC launch.

Go read about the chest, and motif farming ideas that were adjusted between logging in and out the game. Also how loot ispopulated in the containers.

There actually is a difference so chests or basically the same exact furniture in a home may be in direction to provide ways to farm provisions and motif as homes are race based and race locked. To ask for storage from items where systems already exist doesn't make sense unless they change all those same containers.

Look at the assistant systems and how it was talked about and introduced and the bugs that remain.

Consider that extra storage would seem to need to come from something new. That's the context of my comments on storage. It's not from a position of lacking to understand how things work IN THIS GAME

AnviOfVai

No

I do believe ZOS take in consideration what people say on the forums... however these thoughts an ideas gets put in a list of another thousand things and gets lost in the pile of"to do/fix" stack.

AdamBourke

I think they will add it.

I don't think it will be in Update 13.

When he said it didn't make the cut, I doubt it was because it was considered unimportant - it was most likely because it was going to take too long. As people have pointed out, the storage is something that can be monetised quite nicely, and people WILL pay - so i don't think any of the departments at ZOS would have wanted to not include it.

It's probably technically complex to create a storage system not directly connected to the banking system, and they have several complex things to work on for the release - particularly the decorating engine, which was probably quite complex and required lots of testing which still won't have been quite enough (expect some bugs with this), Then there's the preview system for housing, which was probably not simple.

And not everyone will be working on housing, they don't create each new update in three months - it's likely that some (maybe even most) of the team is working on Updates 14, 15, 16... On bugfixes, new systems and minor improvements.

Don't expect major changes from the PTS - one month is not enough time to implement and test them. The main use of the PTS is for finding bugs, tweaking numbers like drop rates, prices, sets etc

Gedalya

strikeback1247 wrote: »

They do listen. They have most certainly heard you. But if they don't want to do it/can't do it, they just won't do it. Now stop these [snip]ing threads.

Yes they listen; and also, can someone reference where it was stated that storage wouldn't be in housing?

kojou

Yes

For the next update 13 for homestead? Not a chance. For the update after that, it is entirely possible.

Pixel_Zealot

No

Why would they add it now if they can make you pay more for it later?